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Transexual Loses Bid For State-Paid Breast Enlargements

texmaster said:
Its not decency to placate someone with clearly psychological issues by indulging their delusions.
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It's also not decency to judge someone whom you don't even know just because your personal views clash with their chosen lifestyle. I also love people who touts a knowledge psychological issues like they are somehow a professional and can just dole out diagnosis on random people that they don't even know.
 
Taylor said:
So...

I'm admittedly quite ignorant in the "gender studies" domain. I'm sure someone reading this can answer a question.

Wasn't there a huge movement in the 70's to sort of do away with gender roles? We weren't supposed to take dolls away from boys, or trucks away from girls - the idea being that gender is this socially-constructed phenomenon and that there was nothing wrong with women assuming traditionally male stereotypes.

How do those ideas mesh with what some (seem to be saying) are biologically determined gender roles?
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Until Russian "women" began showing up for the Olympics :D
 
texmaster said:
I see it as reinforcing someone's mindset who obviously has deep psychological issues. I don't see it as a positive thing.
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Transsexualism is a physiological condition, not phycological.

A transsexual's brain is physically wired as a woman. That's why it can't be "cured". It's literally a woman's brain in a man's body.

Maybe one day we will find a way to re-wire the brain, but that day is not today. All we know how to do is alter the body to more reflect the mind's identity.
 
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Jerry said:
Hypocrite and retard here :2wave:

Can you link to an example of someone being born with a condition where they think they are another species?
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You can actually. There's **** about people thinking they should have been a wolf or something instead of a human. Which doesn't really make sense to me because human is top of the chain, why would anyone want to be anything else? If anything, other animals should be having surgery to look more like humans. Furries....man they're weird.
 
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texmaster said:
I see it as reinforcing someone's mindset who obviously has deep psychological issues. I don't see it as a positive thing.
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The only problem here is someone who thinks it's acceptable to denigrate people they don't understand.

What is your need to poke fun at people different from yourself?

Are you a junior high school student? If so, my apologies, those are tough years and sometimes young people need to lash out at others because they're insecure.

If you're not, then my apologies for thinking you are. Because mature adults don't feel the need to make fun of people who have done nothing to harm them.

Perfectly acceptable to say that the government shouldn't pay for breast implants. They shouldn't. To take it into the direction of making fun of the most vulnerable members of our society is behaving like a playground bully and nothing more.

So go put on your sleeveless denim vest, Nelson, point at the poor tranny and go "Ha ha!" Because that's the level at which you and others are behaving.
 
Jerry said:
Hypocrite and retard here :2wave:

Can you link to an example of someone being born with a condition where they think they are another species? I'll bet that if you can, we don't have a way for them to function in society. The same can not be said for transsexuals.

It's a disorder, but we can't cure it. What we can do is help that person live a happy and productive life.
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Are you trying to say that these mentally ill people did not have jobs, personal lives or anything else before they went to some quack and a corrupt greedy doctor to mutilate and modify them to give them the appearance of something they are not? Last I checked most quacks do not work for free, greedy corrupt plastic surgeons do not work for free, so that mentally ill individual must have went to school, had a life in order to get the education that allowed him to get a job so that he can have money to see that quack and get plastic surgery.
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
It's also not decency to judge someone whom you don't even know just because your personal views clash with their chosen lifestyle. I also love people who touts a knowledge psychological issues like they are somehow a professional and can just dole out diagnosis on random people that they don't even know.
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So if someone claims they are a dolphin because they feel that way you would support it?

And since you can't find a genetic link to this claim of gender identity, psychological issues are the only other cause but feel free to make up, I mean suggest your own.
 
texmaster said:
So if someone claims they are a dolphin because they feel that way you would support it?
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And once again you are comparing two different issues that have absolutely nothing to do with one another. :roll:

And since you can't find a genetic link to this claim of gender identity, psychological issues are the only other cause but feel free to make up, I mean suggest your own.
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I'm also not the one claiming that I'm an expert in psychological issues and can diagnose people at the drop of a hat. Let's see some proof to back up your assertions.
 
Ikari said:
You can actually. There's **** about people thinking they should have been a wolf or something instead of a human.
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That's not something they're born with, though... right? There are many cases of children conditioned to behave like animals: http://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058772840

Natasha, Chita, Russia (2009). Five year old girl spent her entire life locked in a room with cats and dogs, and no heat, water, or sewage system. When she was found, she could not speak Russian, would jump at the door and bark as caretakers left, and had "clear attributes of an animal and jumped at people."
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Taylor said:
That's not something they're born with, though... right? There are many cases of children conditioned to behave like animals: http://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058772840
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I'm not quite sure. I saw a show about it once where they went into the whole furry scene. Now the one's who really think they're different animals are just a subsection of that entire group; but they showed like some dude who really thought he was a wolf in a man's body. Is it something from birth? I don't know, I think maybe they claim so.
 
jamesrage said:
Are you trying to say that these mentally ill people did not have jobs, personal lives or anything else before they went to some quack and a corrupt greedy doctor to mutilate and modify them to give them the appearance of something they are not? Last I checked most quacks do not work for free, greedy corrupt plastic surgeons do not work for free, so that mentally ill individual must have went to school, had a life in order to get the education that allowed him to get a job so that he can have money to see that quack and get plastic surgery.
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I got scholarships just for being left handed. I imagine there are similar programs for transsexual folks.

My father in-law has advanced AIDS. He can't work, yet somehow he still finds a way to get is $5,000 per month medications. According to you he must therefore be a secret millionaire, because there's no other way to get medical treatment except to pay for it out of pocket.

Well, I'll tell you how he receives his $5,000 per month medications: He volunteers for research programs. He gets his medications and other AIDS related treatment from the research institute.

When my sister had brain cancer, she was an up-start locksmith with about $2,000 in assets and $50 in her pocket. According to you the only way she could have paid for her surgery was to be a secret millionaire.

Well, she went and found a medical school who was willing to perform the surgery and 3 years of post-op for free. They even covered her travel expenses.

The couple trannys I've known did the same thing. They find medical schools who offer free or reduced care, and programs which offer to pay for all or part of the procedure.
 
texmaster said:
So if someone claims they are a dolphin because they feel that way you would support it?
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You must be unaware of the extensive diagnosis process involved in determining if someone is truly a transsexual.

No, we don't believe it simply because they say so. We believe it because they have an incredibly long history of this disorder manifesting, and hours of psychological diagnostic analysis.
 
Regicollis said:
They should be free to hang out where ever everyone else does.

But yes, Christiania is one of the places were people don't act like idiots around transsexuals.
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True, and I believe they do.

The "idiots" part: These people are obviously not "normal" everyday boring folks you pass on the streets. If you see something out of the ordinary it usually catches your attention... whether it is a stunningly beautiful woman, a hugely fat individual, or trannies.

I recall seeing a group of transsexuals in Malmo some 25-years ago. These trannies were about 6 ft. tall and looked like they came out of the old Bud Lite Ladies Nite commercial. Is it any wonder everyone and their dog stared? That they drew attention from all?

That's life.

YouTube- Bud LIght "Ladies Night"

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Ikari said:
I'm not quite sure. I saw a show about it once where they went into the whole furry scene. Now the one's who really think they're different animals are just a subsection of that entire group; but they showed like some dude who really thought he was a wolf in a man's body. Is it something from birth? I don't know, I think maybe they claim so.
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Like real homosexuality, transsexualism is a condition one is born with.

If an otherwise perfectly healthy boy is raised by only women, he will still see himself as a boy, not a girl.
 
Jerry said:
Like real homosexuality, transsexualism is a condition one is born with.

If an otherwise perfectly healthy boy is raised by only women, he will still see himself as a boy, not a girl.
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I wasn't making claim counter to that. I was merely stating that I had seen something where people did claim to be the wrong species.
 
Ikari said:
I wasn't making claim counter to that. I was merely stating that I had seen something where people did claim to be the wrong species.
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Yeah no one's talking about just believing someone because they say so....so you're kinda off-topic...
 
Jerry said:
Yeah no one's talking about just believing someone because they say so....so you're kinda off-topic...
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Umm, no. In fact, the entire thing was brought on by you. You asked a question, I responded to it. That's all there was to it. So you're kinda ADD and should remember what the hell you'd typed 10 min ago.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
And once again you are comparing two different issues that have absolutely nothing to do with one another. :roll:
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Of course they are the same using the criteria you used for excusing the first one.

I'm also not the one claiming that I'm an expert in psychological issues and can diagnose people at the drop of a hat. Let's see some proof to back up your assertions.
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LOL There's a great joke in there but I'll let it go.

As I said, that is the only other alternative I can see since you can't point to genetics.

As I said, feel free to add some of your own.
 
Jerry said:
Transsexualism is a physiological condition, not phycological.

A transsexual's brain is physically wired as a woman. That's why it can't be "cured". It's literally a woman's brain in a man's body.
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bull**** and you can't point to a single study that supports that rediculus theory of yours.

I really am growing tired of these crap claims without scientific backing in even say 75% of the supposed group they effect.
 
Jerry said:
Like real homosexuality, transsexualism is a condition one is born with.

If an otherwise perfectly healthy boy is raised by only women, he will still see himself as a boy, not a girl.
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And a penis is what this d00d was born with, cutting it off and putting on a pair of silicone fun bags, does not make him a woman.


Extreme body modification? sure.


Its the difference between a


lamborgini:

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and a fiero dressed as a lamborgini....



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It's still a fiero and you can tell something just aint right. :lol: . :shrug:
 
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Ikari said:
Umm, no. In fact, the entire thing was brought on by you. You asked a question, I responded to it. That's all there was to it. So you're kinda ADD and should remember what the hell you'd typed 10 min ago.
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Oh a personal attack, how original :roll:

The reason why I asked the question to begin with was to see if you were bringing up a counter example which is actually comparable to the topic. You admit you're comparing apples to oranges, so you don't really have an argument here.
 
texmaster said:
bull**** and you can't point to a single study that supports that rediculus theory of yours.

I really am growing tired of these crap claims without scientific backing in even say 75% of the supposed group they effect.
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You're off your nut.

It's an accepted medical condition and sex reassignment surgery after at least one year of supervision with a psychologist to assure there are no additional mental disorders is the accepted treatment.

Why are you an expert?

Are you a doctor? Are you a therapist?

If so, then please - by all means - share. If you're not, STFU.

Why must you barge your way into other people's lives?

I thought you were for liberty and freedom. It's proof of your hypocrisy that you feel the need to inject your opinion into people's lives who have done you no harm, not restricted your rights in the least - but you feel the need to insult them and tell them what you think of them.

Why are you so superior that you get to decide for others?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
And a penis is what this d00d was born with, cutting it off and putting on a pair of silicone fun bags, does not make you him a woman.
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Surly the good Reverend knows the difference between "gender" and "sex".

It's called "gender reassignment" precisely because the operation does not change the sex, just as you argue and I agree with.
 
Jerry said:
Oh a personal attack, how original :roll:

The reason why I asked the question to begin with was to see if you were bringing up a counter example which is actually comparable to the topic. You admit you're comparing apples to oranges, so you don't really have an argument here.
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It's not personal insult, it's truth. You apparently forgot what you had written. And I was never arguing against anything you were saying in the first place. For the love of Christ, if you can't remember this stuff then just look back at the thread to refresh your memory. You asked a question, I responded. There are in fact people who do claim they are the wrong species. That's it. Now you can go on and do whatever song and dance you feel is necessary for it; I don't care.
 
Jerry said:
Surly the good Reverend knows the difference between "gender" and "sex".

It's called "gender reassignment" precisely because the operation does not change the sex, just as you argue and I agree with.
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I must admit. The Good Reverend is not up to speed on this topic.... :lol:



But.....



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gender


2. sex: the feminine gender.
 
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