• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Transexual Loses Bid For State-Paid Breast Enlargements

Jerry said:
Jesus titty****ing Christ! How are you doing? Can you see out of it? Would you like me to buy you an pirate eye patch with the DebatePolitics.com logo? Arrrrr :lol:
Click to expand...

It's cleared up now, but I miss it a little because it was kind of cool looking from an aesthetic viewpoint. :mrgreen:
 
FilmFestGuy said:
All this guarantees is that you've never met anyone who's been through it.

One conversation with one person who's made it out the other side and you'd change your tune.
Click to expand...
Not true. I worked with someone who changed to a gal, then changed back to a man.

FilmFestGuy said:
it's not necessary to denigrate people you don't understand just because it amuses or disgusts you.
Click to expand...
Sorry if any of my comments offend you, but part of the appeal of anonymous internet forums is that you can discuss these sorts of issues without all the PC hopscotch.
 
Let's see... So... if I apply shoe polish to my exposed skin daily, wear an afro wig, become proficient in Ebonics... I am now a black man?

Able to exploit affirmative action?

By the ridiculous definitions here... it seems so.

You see, I always felt I was a black man, never felt really comfortable 'round Whitey.

Hell, if the first black president was a white guy, I'm in man.

Know what'I'z say'in?

.
 
Last edited:
zimmer said:
Let's see... So... if I apply shoe polish to my exposed skin daily, wear an afro wig, become proficient in Ebonics... I am now a black man?
Click to expand...
No, I'd say you're a target for a beating! :mrgreen:

soulman1.jpg
 
Taylor said:
Not true. I worked with someone who changed to a gal, then changed back to a man.


Sorry if any of my comments offend you, but part of the appeal of anonymous internet forums is that you can discuss these sorts of issues without all the PC hopscotch.
Click to expand...

Then your friend wasn't properly treated the first time.

I'm not offended and I don't really get offended that easily.

I don't consider manners and politeness to be politically correct. I consider it to be decency. What I do find offensive is when people claim that common decency is "politically correct" and that being a rude prick is somehow honorable. It's not.
 
I have great sympathy for transsexuals. Not only are they facing the distress of feeling uncomfortable in their own bodies. They also face bigotry and bullying like virtually no one else.

Gender reassignment surgery can be a good treatment for gender identity disorder. It is not "playing along" with a delusion. It has the ability to greatly improve the quality of life for transsexuals.

I have deep respect for those transsexuals who fight for equal treatment and recognition of their gender. However I think it was right to deny breast enhancement surgery in the story posted in the OP. A genetic woman would not have been able to get a breast enhancement simply because her breasts were not large enough for her. I think this is actually an example of equal treatment of transsexuals.
 
zimmer said:
Let's see... So... if I apply shoe polish to my exposed skin daily, wear an afro wig, become proficient in Ebonics... I am now a black man?

Able to exploit affirmative action?

By the ridiculous definitions here... it seems so.

You see, I always felt I was a black man, never felt really comfortable 'round Whitey.

Hell, if the first black president was a white guy, I'm in man.

Know what'I'z say'in?

.
Click to expand...

By their logic this man is really a cat and we should call him a feline.

article-0-027ffae600000578-658_468x657.jpg
 
zimmer said:
Let's see... So... if I apply shoe polish to my exposed skin daily, wear an afro wig, become proficient in Ebonics... I am now a black man?

Able to exploit affirmative action?

By the ridiculous definitions here... it seems so.

You see, I always felt I was a black man, never felt really comfortable 'round Whitey.

Hell, if the first black president was a white guy, I'm in man.

Know what'I'z say'in?

.
Click to expand...

Hmmm...I'll just point to my post above.
 
zimmer said:
Let's see... So... if I apply shoe polish to my exposed skin daily, wear an afro wig, become proficient in Ebonics... I am now a black man?

Able to exploit affirmative action?

By the ridiculous definitions here... it seems so.

You see, I always felt I was a black man, never felt really comfortable 'round Whitey.

Hell, if the first black president was a white guy, I'm in man.

Know what'I'z say'in?

.
Click to expand...

*coff* Micheal Jackson *coff*
 
Regicollis said:
I have great sympathy for transsexuals. Not only are they facing the distress of feeling uncomfortable in their own bodies. They also face bigotry and bullying like virtually no one else.

Gender reassignment surgery can be a good treatment for gender identity disorder. It is not "playing along" with a delusion. It has the ability to greatly improve the quality of life for transsexuals.

I have deep respect for those transsexuals who fight for equal treatment and recognition of their gender. However I think it was right to deny breast enhancement surgery in the story posted in the OP. A genetic woman would not have been able to get a breast enhancement simply because her breasts were not large enough for her. I think this is actually an example of equal treatment of transsexuals.
Click to expand...

Perhaps they should just hang out at Christiania... nobody would bat an eye.

.
 
zimmer said:
Perhaps they should just hang out at Christiania... nobody would bat an eye.

.
Click to expand...

They should be free to hang out where ever everyone else does.

But yes, Christiania is one of the places were people don't act like idiots around transsexuals.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Then your friend wasn't properly treated the first time.
Click to expand...
Maybe, maybe not. The mental health profession isn't an exact science.

FilmFestGuy said:
What I do find offensive is when people claim that common decency is "politically correct" and that being a rude prick is somehow honorable. It's not.
Click to expand...
I claim to be neither polite, PC or honorable. I just say what comes off the top of my head and if that comes across as being rude, then... sorry. :shrug:
 
Deuce said:
Made in a horribly crude and insulting way...
Click to expand...

Its 100% correct. There's a reason the Olympics don't allow this transgender BS to pretend they are one sex or another because of some surgery.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
By your logic, this person:

0030.jpg


...is the equivalent of what you posted.

Only a vulgar human being would compare the two.
Click to expand...

How is it vulgar to point out the fact that changing your appearance does not make you something different? So yes a man pretending to be a woman is no different than a man pretending to be a cat or any other thing.Only in make believe world does altering your appearance make you something different. Although I would bet cat man really knows he will always be a man regardless of how many implants or surgeries he has done. Only hypocrite and a retard would think that the two are somehow different
 
Last edited:
Jerry said:
That's correct. I suppose I didn't make myself clear enough when I agreed with you last time. No surgery changes your genetic make up. If you were born with 2 chromosomes, no surgery can ever change that. Your sex is your birth sex regardless.

What I'm trying to clarify is that your biological make up is not what "he" and "her" refer to. Those terms refer not your sex, but to your gender.

Sex and gender are not synonyms of each other. They are very different things.

Out of respect I haven't linked the dictionary definitions of those terms, but if you would like I would be happy to post them if you think it would help the discussion.

Essentially, when people call a tranny "her", they are not referring to "her" born biological sex. They are referring to "her" roll in relation to everyone else.
Click to expand...

I see it as reinforcing someone's mindset who obviously has deep psychological issues. I don't see it as a positive thing.
 
jamesrage said:
How is it vulgar to point out the fact that changing your appearance does not make you something different? So yes a man pretending to be a woman is no different than a man pretending to be a cat. Although I would bet cat man really knows he will always be a man regardless of how many implants or surgeries he has done. Only hypocrite and a retard would think that the two are somehow different
Click to expand...

Hypocrite and retard here :2wave:

Can you link to an example of someone being born with a condition where they think they are another species? I'll bet that if you can, we don't have a way for them to function in society. The same can not be said for transsexuals.

It's a disorder, but we can't cure it. What we can do is help that person live a happy and productive life.
 
jamesrage said:
How is it vulgar to point out the fact that changing your appearance does not make you something different? So yes a man pretending to be a woman is no different than a man pretending to be a cat or any other thing.Only in make believe world does altering your appearance make you something different. Although I would bet cat man really knows he will always be a man regardless of how many implants or surgeries he has done. Only hypocrite and a retard would think that the two are somehow different
Click to expand...

And only an asshole would try to ruin someone else's life who's done them no harm.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Then your friend wasn't properly treated the first time.

I'm not offended and I don't really get offended that easily.

I don't consider manners and politeness to be politically correct. I consider it to be decency. What I do find offensive is when people claim that common decency is "politically correct" and that being a rude prick is somehow honorable. It's not.
Click to expand...

Its not decency to placate someone with clearly psychological issues by indulging their delusions.
 
So...

I'm admittedly quite ignorant in the "gender studies" domain. I'm sure someone reading this can answer a question.

Wasn't there a huge movement in the 70's to sort of do away with gender roles? We weren't supposed to take dolls away from boys, or trucks away from girls - the idea being that gender is this socially-constructed phenomenon and that there was nothing wrong with women assuming traditionally male stereotypes.

How do those ideas mesh with what some (seem to be saying) are biologically determined gender roles?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom