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BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands

When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.






Thanks for pointing out a typo. I guess when you want to mouthfoam in defense of party, that's always a good start.....



Who leased them the area to do this drilling? Your false requirments are not based in any reality....


fact is inspections were muddled, the governments containment plan wasn't properly equipped... etc...


Actually I agree with you that its all BP's fault, however, the Government made several key mistakes here under 3 presidents that led to the atmosphere that caused this disaster....



But I wouldn't expect a partisan hack like you to see that.... Funny though I bet you saw it all over a hurricane. :ssst:
 
When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.

I do agree with you about the nationalizing part, but I don't agree that it was entirely BP's fault. The government has been lax in administering safety regulations pretty much since Bush, and let big oil companies get away with saving "a few bucks" rather than to err on the side of caution.
 
I do agree with you about the nationalizing part, but I don't agree that it was entirely BP's fault. The government has been lax in administering safety regulations pretty much since Bush, and let big oil companies get away with saving "a few bucks" rather than to err on the side of caution.





I almost thanked you. ;)


Since, Clinton... 1994


three of them were lax.
 
When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.

I dont see ANYONE excusing BP for their role. That THEY have failed is immaterial. Sue the hell out of them. AFTER you get the oil stopped.

Seriously...if this was the Bush administration do you expect ANYONE to believe you would be sitting back saying..."well...golly...it isnt THEIR fault. Bush didnt cause it. Its someone elses problem and THEY have the responsibility to clean it up..."
 
The government has a role in national emergencies.

Yes. And it is fulfilling that role. This still does not make the government responsible for the blowout, no matter how much you'd like to lay this at Obama's feet.
 
I do agree with you about the nationalizing part, but I don't agree that it was entirely BP's fault. The government has been lax in administering safety regulations pretty much since Bush, and let big oil companies get away with saving "a few bucks" rather than to err on the side of caution.

Facts please.

And... didn't Obi give this rig an award of some sort not too long ago?


Yes. And it is fulfilling that role. This still does not make the government responsible for the blowout, no matter how much you'd like to lay this at Obama's feet.
Glinda,

Ah, a, ahhhhhhh... or...
No, no, no in the words of Reverend Wright.

I did not say they were responsible, but they do have a responsibility in national emergencies.
Can we say that outside of BP... they are the ones we have been waiting for?

YES WE CAN.

Obi has been jerking-off for a long time.
Time to put Mr. Spanky back in his trousers and do some work.

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Yes. And it is fulfilling that role. This still does not make the government responsible for the blowout, no matter how much you'd like to lay this at Obama's feet.
Why not cede that the government shares partial responsibility for this? If we authorize safety regulations and pay millions to regulate an industry, we should certainly expect they take some responsibility for getting the job done.
 
Yes. And it is fulfilling that role. This still does not make the government responsible for the blowout, no matter how much you'd like to lay this at Obama's feet.

Glinda, this is what the Feds are for. National security, assisting with catastrophes, though they didn't do the latter when cities were destroyed.

It was not created for "spreading the wealth around".

Obi has had a chance to shine. TILT/
To show us he is a competent leader. TILT/
To show us his brilliant judgment. TILT/

He has his "foot on their neck", but what now?
Foot on neck no stop oil puking at floor of Gulf of Mexico.

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Who leased them the area to do this drilling?

The Minerals Management Service, an outrageously corrupt government agency under the Bush/Cheney administration.

In September 2008, reports by the Inspector General of the Interior Department, Earl E. Devaney, were released that implicated over a dozen officials of the MMS of unethical and criminal conduct in the performance of their duties. The investigation found MMS employees had taken drugs and had sex with energy company representatives. MMS staff had also accepted gifts and free holidays amid "a culture of ethical failure", according to the investigation.

The New York Times's summary states the investigation revealed "a dysfunctional organization that has been riddled with conflicts of interest, unprofessional behavior and a free-for-all atmosphere for much of the Bush administration’s watch." --Wiki

Ten days after taking office as Secretary of the Interior, Ken Salazar asked the Justice Department to reopen criminal investigations of MMS employees involved in Devaney's report which uncovered violations of federal regulations and ethics rules by employees of the Lake Charles, La., office of the Minerals Management Service. Many of the employees mentioned in the report resigned, were fired or were referred for prosecution. Those who were still working at MMS were placed on administrative leave pending the outcome of a personnel review.

Actually I agree with you that its all BP's fault, however, the Government made several key mistakes here under 3 presidents that led to the atmosphere that caused this disaster....

The biggest mistake the government made was allowing deep-water drilling in the first place. :doh

But I wouldn't expect a partisan hack like you to see that....

This is rich coming from the likes of you, chuckles. :lamo

Still, facts are stubborn things: BP is ultimately responsible for all of this mess. Not only did BP not install an acoustic fail-safe, and not repair the annular gasket that had been damaged four weeks earlier, it also adamantly insisted on circumventing standard procedures to "save time and money." On the day of the explosion there was an argument between the managers of BP and Transocean over whether or not to remove the drilling mud Halliburton placed the concrete plugs. BP won; the mud was removed.

And.... kaboom. BP owns this ****up.
 
I do agree with you about the nationalizing part, but I don't agree that it was entirely BP's fault. The government has been lax in administering safety regulations pretty much since Bush, and let big oil companies get away with saving "a few bucks" rather than to err on the side of caution.

Ok, then. It's BP's and Bush's fault. :mrgreen:
 
The Minerals Management Service, an outrageously corrupt government agency under the Bush/Cheney administration.



The Minerals Management Service was created on January 19, 1982.[3] In 1982, Congress passed the Federal Oil & Gas Royalty Management Act, which mandates protection of the environment and conservation of federal lands in the course of building oil and gas facilities. The Secretary of the Interior designated the MMS as the administrative agency responsible for the mineral leasing of submerged OCS lands and for the supervision of offshore operations after lease issuance.[4]





W/cheney?


FAIL


:lol:


The biggest mistake the government made was allowing deep-water drilling in the first place. :doh



Actually I agree to a point. I agree that no drilling should be allowed unless we are sure the company has the caps, and equipment IN place to contain a spill..




This is rich coming from the likes of you, chuckles. :lamo



Right, let's see, I blame BP, the last 3 administrations. failure of both republicans/democrats, government, and private industry...


You are making excuses for the government because your guy has the reigns...

yes, partisan hack is a good label for you. :thumbs:



Still, facts are stubborn things: BP is ultimately responsible for all of this mess. Not only did BP not install an acoustic fail-safe, and not repair the annular gasket that had been damaged four weeks earlier, it also adamantly insisted on circumventing standard procedures to "save time and money." On the day of the explosion there was an argument between the managers of BP and Transocean over whether or not to remove the drilling mud Halliburton placed the concrete plugs. BP won; the mud was removed.

And.... kaboom. BP owns this ****up.



And were they not ceritified and praised as safe after this?


Please.
 
Why not cede that the government shares partial responsibility for this?

Only in a minimal sense.

The government is responsible for off-shore drilling oversight through the Minerals Management Service. The Bush administration did not enforce that oversight at all, allowing the MMS to become nothing more than a drug/porn good-ol'-oil-boys party club.

Ten days after taking office, the Obama administration began an investigation into the MMS failures, and issued new and more stringent ethics requirements. Many MMS employees were fired; others were prosecuted.

Today, Salazar announced another investigation into the workings of the MMS since January 2009, to see what more, if anything, could have been done to eliminate the culture of criminality that Bush/Cheney allowed to develop within the MMS.

Salazar has also signed a secretarial order splitting MMS into three distinct agencies to separate its energy development, enforcement, and revenue collecting functions. Beyond this, I don't know what more the Obama administration could be expected to have done...

... unless you're advocating that the president himself should be doing the inspections. :confused:

So, what more would YOU have had the Obama administration do?

Someone who knows, and who's paycheck is partly funded by the oil industry, is Larry Goldstein, a director of the Energy Policy Research Foundation. He has gone on record saying "If they [the administration] could have handled this situation better, they would have already."

If we authorize safety regulations and pay millions to regulate an industry, we should certainly expect they take some responsibility for getting the job done.

I agree. Salazar is making sure the Bush-era MMS free-for-all is a thing of the past. Going forward - at least under Obama's watch - I expect no more such MMS corruption issues to occur.
 
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I agree. Salazar is making sure the Bush-era MMS free-for-all is a thing of the past. Going forward - at least under Obama's watch - I expect no more such MMS corruption issues to occur.
As the good Rev has already pointed out, there is plenty of blame to go around, it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption:

Interviews and documents show numerous examples in which senior officials discounted scientific data and advice -- even from scientists elsewhere in the federal government -- that would have impeded oil and gas companies drilling offshore.

Under the Bush and Obama administrations, red flags raised by scientists at NOAA and the Marine Mammal Commission have gone unheeded. Obama officials say they are taking steps to ensure that science guides drilling decisions They are now!! ;); former agency officials say such questions are rarely as simple as they seem.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...24/AR2010052401974_3.html?sid=ST2010052404233
 
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there is plenty of blame to go around,

Well sure there is: BP, Halliburton, Transocean, Bush/Cheney, MMS, and the Grover Cleveland administration that originally decided offshore oil drilling was an acceptable practice. But you cannot tell me with a straight face that the Obama administration is even close to the top of that list. Their culpability (I blame Obama entirely for opening up even MORE offshore drilling) is comparably and effectively minuscule. The blame belongs at the feet of those who took shortcuts and ignored safety precautions: BP owns that.

it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption

That's simply not true. Once again, TEN DAYS AFTER TAKING OFFICE Interior Secretary Salazar came down on corruption in the MMS. What more would you have had him do? How much earlier should he have taken action?
 
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What is it with the ADK style lefties and thier refusal to address what we are saying...


What he said:


As the good Rev has already pointed out, there is plenty of blame to go around, it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption:



What you responded:



But you cannot tell me with a straight face that the Obama administration is even close to the top of that list. Their culpability (I blame Obama entirely for opening up even MORE offshore drilling) is comparably and effectively minuscule. The blame belongs at the feet of those who took shortcuts and ignored safety precautions: BP owns that.





Please stop it. It's really an embarrassing display.


Not one person has blamed obama "entirely" or even "mostly"......


Most of us have been blaming BP, but have been critical of the last 3 admins for multiple failures on thier partas well...


You obama apparatchiks circle the wagons at the least provocation... It's really silly.
 
As a former resident of New Orleans, we ALWAYS had a hurricane plan and we used it many, many times when we evacuated of our own free will !! Nobody ever told us to leave, we just did. There are several routes out of the city, plenty of destinations, PICK ONE !!! If you choose to wait until someone tells you to leave, you're going to sit on the interstate for 14 hours like my brother did with Katrina.

People shouldn't wait for any government to tell them to do anything. Take that on yourself and do what you can to help others. I have a lot more faith in the human race than any government but then, I'm an optimist :2wave:
The Katrina track should have been a clue to anyone. Morgan City La. + NOLA to the east of the storm = Run like hell!
 
What more would you have had him do?
Stop ignoring the recommendations of scientific experts?

Comply with laws that require a written explanation for why expert advice was not heeded?
 
Stop ignoring the recommendations of scientific experts? Comply with laws that require a written explanation for why expert advice was not heeded?

What recommendations did he ignore? Which scientific experts? What laws?

You're going to have to go into more detail if you want a reasonable response.
 
If these barriers will take at least 9 months to construct, Obama is correct to ignore the clearly politically motivated gripings of Jindal at this point in time.

Everyone involved needs to focus on trying to do something now to alleviate fix this disaster now instead of trying to prevent the next disaster.

If those islands built 9 months from now have any affect this disaster, then there is no point in even wasting the money to build them cause everything will already be totally ****ed by that point anyway. All it would do is prevent oil from ****ing up stuff that's already as ****ed up as it can get.
 
If these barriers will take at least 9 months to construct, Obama is correct to ignore the clearly politically motivated gripings of Jindal at this point in time.

Everyone involved needs to focus on trying to do something now to alleviate fix this disaster now instead of trying to prevent the next disaster.

If those islands built 9 months from now have any affect this disaster, then there is no point in even wasting the money to build them cause everything will already be totally ****ed by that point anyway. All it would do is prevent oil from ****ing up stuff that's already as ****ed up as it can get.





One person has stated nine months....



I think he wants to dredge the sand to make makeshift barriers......



Reading his emotion, I don't think he's being political about this but moreso, true concern for his state.
 
What recommendations did he ignore? Which scientific experts? What laws?

You're going to have to go into more detail if you want a reasonable response.
It's all in the Washington Post article I quoted and linked.
 
One person has stated nine months....



I think he wants to dredge the sand to make makeshift barriers......



Reading his emotion, I don't think he's being political about this but moreso, true concern for his state.

I found an old article on it:

FOXNews.com - Jindal Asking BP to Fund Creation of Barrier Islands as Oil Spill Shield

The project would cost $200 million and take four to six months to complete its first phase, adding 43 miles to extend the Chandeleur island chain off the state's eastern coastline in both directions, said Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser, speaking at a press conference with Jindal. However, even a few days of dredging would improve coastal protections, he added.


First phase would take four to six months.

Now, I have problems with this based on potential environmental ramifications. What they are proposing could have massive environmental implications that might even surpass those that already exist with this spill.

I think it is not the type of decision that gets jumped into without some detailed study beforehand.

It smacks of similar ecologically/environmentally-based solutions in the past that have caused more harm than they fixed

Plus the project would take 4-6 months and $200 million for the first phase to be completed according Jindal's man himself.

To me that seems like trying to prevent the next disaster and bull**** political pandering.

But I'm cynical like that.


It's a ****ing oil spill of a magnitude that has never been seen before. Of course the fixing process is going to be ****ed up.

It's like complaining about how the cleanup form 9/11 took so long.

#1 priority: fixing the leak. All the efforts are a waste of time if that aint' fixed.

#2 priority: Trying to contain spill with the most immediately effective means.

#3 Priority: AFTER 1 and 2 are achieved, cleanup the shoreline. Doing it now is like wiping your ass while you are still taking a ****.

#4 priority: protecting for the next disaster.

Jindal's talking about a plan that has minimal immediate efficacy and bitching about it as though it is not of minimal immediate efficacy.

That's bull****.
 
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