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Palin accuses Obama of being in bed with big oil

Well, I know it because it's not being communicated. You see, politicians don't do a damn thing unless they get credit for it and when do something, they let the people KNOW they are doing something so they can use it to their advantage later.

If like you say he's doing that, can you point me to the evidence he's doing it? If he is doing it I want to give him full credit.

There I found one link in like 15 seconds, it's not that hard to look for stuff.

"President Obama Establishes Bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling"
Weekly Address: President Obama Establishes Bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling | The White House

Are you serious or ... just spinning for the lack of action?

Are you serious? Why does it matter if the government tells us every detail of what they are doing. You need to learn to judge on results not what people say.
 
"President Obama Establishes Bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling"
Weekly Address: President Obama Establishes Bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling | The White House


"The bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling is tasked with providing recommendations on how we can prevent – and mitigate the impact of – any future spills that result from offshore drilling."

It's purpose is to provide recommendations concerning future spills, not the present.

It doesn't address this current issue at the moment.
 
Oh really? And exactly where do you think these "more resources" are going to come from? Should The President wave a magic wand to cover BP's ass?
It's not about coving anyone's ass it's about stopping the oil. And the resources come from wherever they are - public sector, private sector, overseas... If the President or his office calls up and says "We need you to help assess the damage or help lessen the affects and work with BP until the oil is stopped" people will go and do it. You don't say "no" to the President of the United States during a disaster like this.

Do any of you Big Oil apologists even begin to understand that NO Federal agency now in existence has the equipment for working at a depth of 5000 ft. below the ocean? Or (more likely) you just so freakin' blinded by your partisan BS that you don't give a crap about reality?
Who's being partisan? I'm just asking for the President to take all necessary action to help stop the bleeding here and if he's doing that already, to tell we the people, what Government is doing. Extract your head from the Obama blow up doll and look at this for what it is... a disaster that has now spewed oil since April 20th, between 2,000 and 5,000 barrels a day. All total between 68,000 and 170,000 barrels to date. President Obama called the spil “a potentially unprecedented environmental disaster.”.

What's being done by Government to protect our coasts our resources and the environment other than saying the White House will keep their "boot on the throat" of BP. I don't want a boot to their throat I want the oil gushing to cease and our Government to identify what they're going to do to help clean it up. We have plenty of time later for lawsuits, blame and the rest of it.

Clear yet?
 
There I found one link in like 15 seconds, it's not that hard to look for stuff.

"President Obama Establishes Bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling"
Weekly Address: President Obama Establishes Bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling | The White House

You didn't read your own link did you. This is for future, not the present spill.

White House Memo said:
The bipartisan National Commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and Offshore Drilling is tasked with providing recommendations on how we can prevent – and mitigate the impact of – any future spills that result from offshore drilling.

That's the problem with using Google and not actually knowing what you're posting. And this is all fine and dandy, but I'm not talking about the future, I want to know what's being done now.

White House Memo said:
Are you serious? Why does it matter if the government tells us every detail of what they are doing. You need to learn to judge on results not what people say.
How the hell do we know what they're doing unless they tell us what they're doing? The information by osmosis doesn't work.

And I'm serious but you haven't really thought out what you're saying so I'm assuming you're just spinning with no real goal. How about a little honesty... too much to ask?
 
I still don't understand why you insist on judging people by what they say and not what they do.
 
I still don't understand why you insist on judging people by what they say and not what they do.

I'm judging people on what they're NOT saying. I want them to tell us what they're doing.
 
It's not about coving anyone's ass it's about stopping the oil. And the resources come from wherever they are - public sector, private sector, overseas... If the President or his office calls up and says "We need you to help assess the damage or help lessen the affects and work with BP until the oil is stopped" people will go and do it. You don't say "no" to the President of the United States during a disaster like this.

Who's being partisan? I'm just asking for the President to take all necessary action to help stop the bleeding here and if he's doing that already, to tell we the people, what Government is doing. Extract your head from the Obama blow up doll and look at this for what it is... a disaster that has now spewed oil since April 20th, between 2,000 and 5,000 barrels a day. All total between 68,000 and 170,000 barrels to date. President Obama called the spil “a potentially unprecedented environmental disaster.”.

What's being done by Government to protect our coasts our resources and the environment other than saying the White House will keep their "boot on the throat" of BP. I don't want a boot to their throat I want the oil gushing to cease and our Government to identify what they're going to do to help clean it up. We have plenty of time later for lawsuits, blame and the rest of it.

Clear yet?

One more time. NO FEDERAL AGENCY HAS THE EQUIPMENT TO WORK AT DEPTHS OF 5000 ft.

You have proposed absolutely NO solution, just like the Caribou Airhead. Wadda surprise.
 
One more time. NO FEDERAL AGENCY HAS THE EQUIPMENT TO WORK AT DEPTHS OF 5000 ft.
One more time, I'm not asking for equipment to work at depths of 5000 feet.


You have proposed absolutely NO solution, just like the Caribou Airhead. Wadda surprise.
I'm not qualified to have a solution or I'd be out there helping. I'm asking for the Government to tell us what they're doing to mitigate this disaster and to bring the full force of the Federal Government to assist in the assessment of impact and the clean up.
 
One more time. NO FEDERAL AGENCY HAS THE EQUIPMENT TO WORK AT DEPTHS OF 5000 ft.

You have proposed absolutely NO solution, just like the Caribou Airhead. Wadda surprise.

Since the spill is still going on apparently no one has the ability to deal with it.
Which is the reason why we never should have been there to begin with.
 
Interesting:

Obama is the top recipient of BP PAC & individual money over the past 20 years.

“If there's any connection there to President Obama taking so doggone long to get in there, to dive in there, and grasp the complexity and the potential tragedy that we are seeing here in the Gulf of Mexico -- now, if this was President Bush or if this were a Republican in office who hadn't received as much support even as President Obama has from B.P. and other oil companies, you know the mainstream media would be all over his case," she said.
FOXNews.com - Palin Links BP Donations to Obama to Explain Gulf Spill Response
77k is hardly a noteworthy amount. this is so silly.......what exactly would you have obama do?
 
When Obama loses Carville, it's time to start to take notice.



James Carville Takes On Obama On Oil Spill: He's 'Risking Everything' With 'Go Along With BP Strategy'

Obama and his administration is sitting back and waiting during possibly a huge disaster. The fact is we really don't know where the oil is. We estimate how much is spilling out into the Gulf but where's it all going? The majority of it is not washing up on the beaches. Where is it? Where's it going? What's it affecting? What are the implications? Who will ultimately be affected? What long term will be affected?

Don't know. And to sit back and just say "BP is handling it. Everything that can be done is being done." is a lie. If the WH wanted to, they could be putting many more resources out there finding out where this oil is going. Having daily assessments to the American people. Identifying the costs, bringing in additional experts and working WITH BP until this is fixed and THEN review, have Senate hearings, and get the lawyers involved. But like always, this Admin is ass backwards and pushed the lawyers out first and is waiting to see about the rest. They COULD do more but they're choosing not to and I want to know why?

Carville is talking from a purely political point of view. He is not claiming that Obama is in bed with any one. I thin k people are missing the point that right now, no one has a really good answer what to do about this. As people scramble to figure out how to fix it, all happening out of plain site, people think nothing is happening.

As far as the whole "in bed with" thing, we get this same argument any time any politician does something for, or does not attack, and group that he got donations from, and since politicians get money from almost every one, it's pretty common. It gives those who don't pay attention something to bitch about and sound like they are making a point.
 
Since the spill is still going on apparently no one has the ability to deal with it.
Which is the reason why we never should have been there to begin with.

This is a case where the Department of the Interior, in particular the MMS, was in bed with big oil. This really started under the Bush administration where many were literally in bed (and doing coke and similar partying) with oil lobbyists. Obama failed to clean this incestuous relationship up as promised. Salazar should be fired!

This is a great illustration of the need for government oversight. It's just that it failed here. The permit to drill should have been issued only after the government was convinced of the fail safes. Obviously there were no fail-safes. Government convincing probably occurred during the second line of coke.

This is another case of cleaning up after the previous administration. In this case, however, that clean-up should have already been done.
 
77k is hardly a noteworthy amount. this is so silly.......what exactly would you have obama do?

Thank you. I always appreciate it when people slice and dice party talking points to get to the real significance of the facts. Yes the Obama Administration was the largest benefactor of oil PAC money, BUT the total amount of that money was a rounding error that no one noticed. It was likely more of an insult in buying a politician (counter-productive) than anything else.
 
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One more time. NO FEDERAL AGENCY HAS THE EQUIPMENT TO WORK AT DEPTHS OF 5000 ft.

You have proposed absolutely NO solution, just like the Caribou Airhead. Wadda surprise.

No, they don't, but one would think that the gubmint, all knowing and all able to prevent all the bad stuff from happening, would have the neccessary gear to work the slick on the surface.
 
Since the spill is still going on apparently no one has the ability to deal with it.
Which is the reason why we never should have been there to begin with.

I absolutely, 110% agree. This is the ecological disaster the very same people who are now defending the environmental criminals of Big Oil, swore would NEVER happen.

They are lying scum and should be locked up and NEVER released.
 
No, they don't, but one would think that the gubmint, all knowing and all able to prevent all the bad stuff from happening, would have the neccessary gear to work the slick on the surface.

BS rightie talking garbage.
 
Wasn't one of Sarah Palin's crowning achievements putting a 1,700 mile oil pipeline across Alaska?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

In August 2008, Palin signed a bill authorizing the State of Alaska to award TransCanada Pipelines—the sole bidder to meet the state's requirements—a license to build and operate a pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Continental United States through Canada.[124] The governor also pledged $500 million in seed money to support the project.[125] It is estimated that the project will cost $26 billion.[124] Newsweek described the project as "the principal achievement of Sarah Palin's term as Alaska's governor."[126] The pipeline faces legal challenges from Canadian First Nations.[126]

Sarah Palin is a publicity whore.
 
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I'm judging people on what they're NOT saying. I want them to tell us what they're doing.


Sheesh. :roll: If you really want to know what the administration is doing, all you have to do is look.

Or maybe you were expecting an engraved letter from the President, hand delivered on a silver platter, explaining it all to you in monosyllabic terms? :doh


Deepwater BP Oil Spill Federal Response Resources

Check out the links below to find out how federal departments and agencies are responding to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill:

Joint Information Center
At the beginning of the event, the Coast Guard elevated the response and established a Regional Command Center and Joint Information Center in Robert, La., inviting all partners in the response to join. Get the latest updates from the partners on the ground in the Gulf Coast: Deepwater Horizon Response

Department of Homeland Security (DHS)
Since the moments after the oil rig explosion on the night of April 20, DHS has played a lead role in federal response efforts—deploying the U.S. Coast Guard to search and rescue the 126 people aboard the rig, and quickly leading efforts to establish a command center on the Gulf Coast to address the potential environmental impact of the event and to coordinate with all state and local governments. Secretary Napolitano leads the National Response Team, an organization of 16 federal departments and agencies responsible for coordinating emergency preparedness and response to oil and hazardous substance pollution events.

U.S. Coast Guard
The Coast Guard has played a major role from the very beginning, when it responded to the explosion on a search and rescue mission to save lives. Pursuant to the National Contingency Plan, Rear Admiral Mary Landry was named the Federal On-Scene Coordinator to lead a Regional Response Team which was stood up that included DHS, DOC/NOAA, DOI and the EPA, as well as state and local representatives. As the event escalated, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen was announced as the National Incident Commander for the administration’s continued, coordinated response—providing additional coordinated oversight in leveraging every available resource to respond to the BP oil spill and minimize the associated environmental risks.

Department of the Interior (DOI)

The morning after the explosion, Secretary of the Interior deployed Deputy Secretary David J. Hayes to the Gulf Coast to assist with coordination and response to the event, and provide hourly reports back to the administration. Since then, DOI has played a vital role in overseeing BP’s response efforts while—at the President’s request—working to deliver a report with recommendations on what, if any, additional safety measures should be required for offshore operations. Secretary Salazar has announced that inspections of all deepwater rigs and platforms are underway.

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

Since the BP Oil Spill, EPA has provided full support to the U.S. Coast Guard and is monitoring and responding to potential public health and environmental concerns. Environmental data, including air quality and water samples, will be posted and frequently updated on this site as it is collected and validated by EPA’s response teams along the impacted coastlines. This data is meant to determine potential risks to public health and the environment: EPA Response to BP Spill in the Gulf of Mexico | US EPA

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
As the nation’s leading scientific resource for oil spills, NOAA has been on the scene of the Deepwater Horizon spill from the start, providing coordinated scientific weather and biological response services to federal, state and local organizations: Deepwater Horizon Incident, Gulf of Mexico | Recent and Historical Incidents | Emergency Response | NOAA's National Ocean Service Office of Response and Restoration
Weather Forecast: NWS

Small Business Administration
SBA is making low-interest loans available to small businesses in the Gulf Coast regions of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi suffering financial losses following the April 20 Deepwater BP oil spill that shut down commercial and recreational fishing in the Gulf of Mexico. SBA’s Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL) are available immediately in designated counties and parishes of each of the four states to help meet the financial needs of qualifying small businesses following the oil spill: SBA Disaster Assistance Loans

Department of Defense (DOD)

DOD continues to support the ongoing response effort by lending Naval and Air Force bases to provide vital staging areas for boom deployments and other activities, and providing C-130 aircraft equipped with Modular Aerial Spray Systems, which dispense chemical dispersant—capable of covering up to 250 acres per flight. DOD also plays a significant role in the National Response Team, helping to lead the coordination of response actions for the federal government. Secretary of Defense Gates has authorized use of Title 32 status for up to 17,500 National Guard members in four states: Alabama (3,000), Florida (2,500), Louisiana (6,000) and Mississippi (6,000).

Department of the Interior’s Fish and Wildlife Service

The Fish and Wildlife Service continues to support the joint agency response to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico with experienced specialists, land managers, and support personnel. Booms to capture and deflect anticipated oil are being deployed at Breton National Wildlife Refuge, where thousands of brown pelicans and shorebirds are currently nesting. The Service also is initiating Natural Resource Damage Assessment and Restoration activities in this incident to assess and address the long-term damage to impacted resources: USFWS - FWS Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill Response

Department of the Interior’s National Park Service

The National Park Service is focused on human safety and resource protection in eight national parks in the Gulf area. These parks are working to assess resources, collect baseline data, coordinate boom placements, plan for responsible cleanup, install barriers for shore bird and turtle nest protection, and plan for potential park closures, if necessary: U.S. National Park Service NPS Oil Spill Response

National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health
Oil spill response workers may be exposed to many different chemical, physical, biological, and psychological hazards. These hazards vary depending on the type and location of the oil spill, type and stage of response, degree of coordination between entities involved in response and recovery, and the workers’ specific tasks. Therefore, occupational and environmental hazards need to be identified, assessed, and monitored in each oil spill response: CDC - Oil Spill Response Resources - NIOSH Workplace Safety and Health Topic
 
You have to admire the irony of a former governor of ALASKA trashing someone for being "in bed with big oil".
 
Sheesh. :roll: If you really want to know what the administration is doing, all you have to do is look.

Or maybe you were expecting an engraved letter from the President, hand delivered on a silver platter, explaining it all to you in monosyllabic terms? :doh

That's called "chartware". Like signing an executive order.

I guess what I expect is the Government - ie. Obama & all these wonderful organizations - to go out and take charge and lead... LEAD... the cleanup. But as some have already surmised, that would mean taking ownership. So what we have is a lot of "chartware" while the WH press conference stresses boots to throats. Your list reminds me of 20 guys working on a pot hole on a highway. 19 of them are watching the 1 guy actually do the work. And right from the top page of your link, a quote from Obama.

"We're going to do everything in our power to protect our natural resources, compensate those who have been harmed, rebuild what has been damaged, and help this region persevere like it has done so many times before."

I don't think that's true. No company or agency or conglomeration of agency's have either the resources, political and financial support or the ability to take charge of a disaster, more than the Federal Government. This is the ONE time when Government SHOULD be front and center. Instead, they started out on the wrong foot by trying to say they were involved from "day 1", which no one, not even the media bought.

And really -- of course the WH web page is going to have all sorts of positive spin things on it saying that they're doing everything possible and more. Pardon me if I don't see the "chartware" as credible.
 
Our government governs by proxy - they employ or govern how other branches and non-government stems can conduct their business.
Most countries in Europe directly govern things, thus, the government runs public transportation, utilities and so on.
Which is why our government always is telling others what to do, passing laws and mandates and tying strings to blank checks.
 
You have to admire the irony of a former governor of ALASKA trashing someone for being "in bed with big oil".

How much money did Palin receive from big oil while being Governor? I mean, if it's verified and substantial I'd agree, it's ironic.
 
We'll never know. It's not as clear as it was with Stevens, who basically has "property of Exxon-Mobil" stamped onto everything he owns, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that her purse hasn't been lined with cash from the big energy companies. Alaska's lifeblood is oil, and that's obvious and irrefutable. It costs money to turn the other cheek.
 
That's called "chartware". Like signing an executive order.

I guess what I expect is the Government - ie. Obama & all these wonderful organizations - to go out and take charge and lead... LEAD... the cleanup. But as some have already surmised, that would mean taking ownership. So what we have is a lot of "chartware" while the WH press conference stresses boots to throats. Your list reminds me of 20 guys working on a pot hole on a highway. 19 of them are watching the 1 guy actually do the work. And right from the top page of your link, a quote from Obama.

I don't think that's true. No company or agency or conglomeration of agency's have either the resources, political and financial support or the ability to take charge of a disaster, more than the Federal Government. This is the ONE time when Government SHOULD be front and center. Instead, they started out on the wrong foot by trying to say they were involved from "day 1", which no one, not even the media bought.

And really -- of course the WH web page is going to have all sorts of positive spin things on it saying that they're doing everything possible and more.

Your big complaint was that nobody in the government was telling you what was being done. You got your answer.

Now you want to complain about something else. Wah wah waaahhhhh. :roll:

Pardon me if I don't see the "chartware" as credible.

Pardon me if I don't give a crap about your endless complaints. The government isn't the bad guy here. BP is. Go complain to them.

The ONLY thing the Obama administration can be faulted with here is not undoing the deregulation/non-oversight damage Dick Cheney's Energy Task Farce did before this disaster hit.


Sure, the Obama administration bears some responsibility for not reinstating the requirement for an acoustic cutoff switch for deep water oil rigs, but let us not forget that:

Dick Cheney’s secretive energy task force concluded that $500,000 for remote shutoff was simply too great a burden, and the former V.P. and his team didn’t want to force BP and other oil companies to spend the money.​

Has anybody seen the MSM even mentioned this?

As the Wall Street Journal reports, after a spill in 2000, the [Minerals Management Service] issued a safety notice saying that such a back-up device is “an essential component of a deepwater drilling system.” The industry pushed back in 2001, citing alleged doubts about the capacity of this type of system to provide a reliable emergency backup. By 2003, government regulators decided that the matter needed more study after commissioning a report that offered another, more honest reason: “acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly.” I guess that depends on what they’re compared to.

The system costs about $500,000 per rig. BP is spending at least $5 million per day battling the spill, the well destroyed by the explosion is valued at $560 million, and estimated damages to fishing, tourism, and the environment already run into the billions.

Also, let us not forget the agency that was the MMS during the Bush administration:

The Minerals Management Service is the part of the Interior Department responsible for offshore drilling. Towards the end of the Clinton administration, MMS officials wanted rigs to have the acoustic shutoff switches, but by 2003, the agency had changed direction.

What happened in those three years? Well, for one thing, the MMS in the Bush/Cheney era became one of the most corrupt government agencies in American history. The Minerals Management Service proudly embraced an anything-goes atmosphere that led to literally Caligula-like corruption and debauchery — federal officials traded cocaine and sex for lucrative oil contracts, for example.
 
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