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Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

Again, where did you get this fact? I posted links earlier that blow that '261 days until Exxon Valdez' stat out of the water.

Also, why not stop it before it reaches that much, if capable? Why call you in 261 days? Doesn't make much sense.

Because there is little to nothing I can do about it. And the stats don't change the fact that there is nothing I can do about it.

Call me in 261 days. Seems fair as it's just as arbitrary now as all this quibbling over whether we should crucify BP or crucify Obama.
 
Again, where did you get this fact? I posted links earlier that blow that '261 days until Exxon Valdez' stat out of the water.

Also, why not stop it before it reaches that much, if capable? Why call you in 261 days? Doesn't make much sense.

You're right, BP shouldn't just sit on their hands. They should set up like some kind of think-tank and have uber-smart brainiacks dream up ways to deal with this and then start implementing various solutions.

Oh wait....

BP Prepares for ?Top Kill? Procedure to Contain Spill - NYTimes.com
 
You're right, BP shouldn't just sit on their hands. They should set up like some kind of think-tank and have uber-smart brainiacks dream up ways to deal with this and then start implementing various solutions.

Oh wait....

BP Prepares for ?Top Kill? Procedure to Contain Spill - NYTimes.com

I think you are confusing my position. I don't think BP is sitting on their hands. It wouldn't make any sense for them from a business/media relations perspective for them not to deal with this as quickly and efficiently as possible.
 
Because there is little to nothing I can do about it. And the stats don't change the fact that there is nothing I can do about it.

Call me in 261 days. Seems fair as it's just as arbitrary now as all this quibbling over whether we should crucify BP or crucify Obama.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying what does 261 days have to do with anything?

There is little anyone outside of BP can do to contain the actual leak.

I'm not trying to make a plea for action here or criticizing BP's position, it just seems odd like you don't think its a big deal until it reaches the size of the worst oil spill in U.S history.
 
I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying what does 261 days have to do with anything?

There is little anyone outside of BP can do to contain the actual leak.

I'm not trying to make a plea for action here or criticizing BP's position, it just seems odd like you don't think its a big deal until it reaches the size of the worst oil spill in U.S history.

I think it's a big deal. I don't think there's too much to be done about it except let the experts handle it and then wait for the recovery from the impact. My whole point from page one in this thread has been that recovery will happen and there is no sense in getting in an uproar. Investigate, grow, and learn from the experience but all this quibbling over who's head to have for it isn't productive. At all.
 
I think it's a big deal. I don't think there's too much to be done about it except let the experts handle it and then wait for the recovery from the impact. My whole point from page one in this thread has been that recovery will happen and there is no sense in getting in an uproar. Investigate, grow, and learn from the experience but all this quibbling over who's head to have for it isn't productive. At all.




I agree. Though I want everyones head.
 
I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying what does 261 days have to do with anything?

There is little anyone outside of BP can do to contain the actual leak.

I'm not trying to make a plea for action here or criticizing BP's position, it just seems odd like you don't think its a big deal until it reaches the size of the worst oil spill in U.S history.

Oh for ****'s sake.

Here's the original comment:
it looks bad

36 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, 14 seconds...

261 days doesn't have to do with anything. It doesn't mean anything. Nothing at all.

The purpose of tossing up "261 days", again a number which doesn't mean anything, is to illustrate that "36 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, 14 seconds" also means exactly squat, zilch, zero, nada.

There's nothing anyone here can do. That's the point.
 
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261 days doesn't have to do with anything. It doesn't mean anything. Nothing at all.

The purpose of tossing up "261 days", again a number which doesn't mean anything, is to illustrate that "36 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, 14 seconds" also means exactly squat, zilch, zero, nada.

There's nothing anyone here can do. That's the point.

Jerry gets it.
 
I'm still waiting for your proof that Obama did nothing for 40 days.

ADK,

You are asking for proof of a negative, which is a logical fallacy. It would be the same asking someone for proof that they haven't read a Playboy in the past forty days. How would they prove such a thing?
 
day 5 to day 7: the obama's go on vacation in the beautiful blue ridge mountains, a little golf, a bbq, a nice nature walk

day 39 to 42: another little getaway, this time chicago, maybe the stanley cup, surely an evening at the goodman to see "the good negro," followed by a late dinner at blackbirds

maybe saturday he'll go see william ayers and his lovely wife, ms dohrn

they certainly can't visit the reverend or spend sunday at trinity, tho

you understand
 
36 days, 14 hours, 22 minutes, 17 seconds...
 
day 5 to day 7: the obama's go on vacation in the beautiful blue ridge mountains, a little golf, a bbq, a nice nature walk

day 39 to 42: another little getaway, this time chicago, maybe the stanley cup, surely an evening at the goodman to see "the good negro," followed by a late dinner at blackbirds

maybe saturday he'll go see william ayers and his lovely wife, ms dohrn

they certainly can't visit the reverend or spend sunday at trinity, tho

you understand

I'd rather President Obama worry about Iran and bomb plots in the US. BP will take care of stopping the spill.
 
ADK,

You are asking for proof of a negative, which is a logical fallacy. It would be the same asking someone for proof that they haven't read a Playboy in the past forty days. How would they prove such a thing?

I couldn't... with a straight face. :3oops:
 
I'd rather President Obama worry about Iran and bomb plots in the US. BP will take care of stopping the spill.

That sounds like John McCain. The prez can, and must, juggle many balls at one time. It's that kind of attitude that led to this disaster. BP, and all oil, gas, coal, nuclear companies (and frankly "companies" in general!) can not be left to police themselves.
 

See that's the thing...we don't know if/what he's doing because we aren't privileged to that information. We don't receive the Daily Presidential Brief, we don't have that security clearance, we truly have little if any real information to say one way or the other.

All we know is how it appears to us, which really means nothing at all because if the President looks weak then that could just be a ploy to the enemy. We don't know the whole story. We know surprisingly little, and that's the way it should be.
 
That sounds like John McCain. The prez can, and must, juggle many balls at one time. It's that kind of attitude that led to this disaster. BP, and all oil, gas, coal, nuclear companies (and frankly "companies" in general!) can not be left to police themselves.

....you said 'balls'...that President has to juggle balls...
 
See that's the thing...we don't know if/what he's doing because we aren't privileged to that information. We don't receive the Daily Presidential Brief, we don't have that security clearance, we truly have little if any real information to say one way or the other.

All we know is how it appears to us, which really means nothing at all because if the President looks weak then that could just be a ploy to the enemy. We don't know the whole story. We know surprisingly little, and that's the way it should be.

no, my excellent friend

when the SECTY DEFENSE says the white house has NO policy concerning perhaps the most dangerous regime on earth...

when you with your own ears hear the president's campaign to MEET WITH THE LEADERS OF IRAN, which you always knew was impossibly preposterous...

he had NO PLAN B

IF OBAMA WERE ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE IN THE GULF, HE'D TRUMPET IT

hello

don't talk to me about it (i'm beginning to bore MYSELF)

ask A-B-C, C-B-S and N-B-C

ask POLITICO

ask little chrissy matthews, serpenthead, difi, nick rahall...

the POLITICS OF SPILL is growing faster than the goo in the gulf

it's just the way it is

if this leak is not stopped really, really soon, it's gonna kill this president

sorry

more important, it's gonna kill the gulf

and our economy cannot stand another hit of this magnitude
 
ADK,

The point is that you couldn't prove it. It's virtually impossible to prove a negative.

Yet, that being accepted by most on this forum, VanceMack still had the audacity to make just such a negative accusation. (Note: he's not alone here spewing this ridiculous claim.) alms, I submit you're missing the forest for the trees on this. He must have had something to make him believe such a thing, ya think? Like some right wing website or cable entertainer or Repub politician? Yet, when pushed to produce the reason for his obvious anemic right wing rhetoric, VM would not produce anything. Not one Billo sound bite. Not one Beckish, tear filled rant. Nothing. That, in itself, should have been a clue to him that he was off the reservation.

Hmmm.... Or might he have made such an unproveable claim knowing he could not be asked to prove his position? Could he be that cunning? Hmmmm....... Nah. :cool:
 
Oh, you brought up Bush, that's original.

So what does the maritime law say about foreign nations taking over private property in international water?

I dont know that a hole punched in the floor of a gulf qualifies as private property...but I will say again...as long as their is raw oil dumping into the gulf you answer the question of 'ownership' AFTER you have stopped the leak and prevented the oil from reaching the shores...not 36 days...or however long it is they plan on waiting.
 
Yet, that being accepted by most on this forum, VanceMack still had the audacity to make just such a negative accusation. (Note: he's not alone here spewing this ridiculous claim.) alms, I submit you're missing the forest for the trees on this. He must have had something to make him believe such a thing, ya think? Like some right wing website or cable entertainer or Repub politician? Yet, when pushed to produce the reason for his obvious anemic right wing rhetoric, VM would not produce anything. Not one Billo sound bite. Not one Beckish, tear filled rant. Nothing. That, in itself, should have been a clue to him that he was off the reservation.

Hmmm.... Or might he have made such an unproveable claim knowing he could not be asked to prove his position? Could he be that cunning? Hmmmm....... Nah. :cool:

Like the man said in that famous movie..."yer an idiot..."

The PROOF is that we STILL have oil gushing from a hole in the ground. The proof is the oill has now reached the shores. The PROOF is that the administration has daily attended press conferences denying its their fault and its not their job to clean it up. IF something was DONE that wouldnt be occuring...

Ah...but you like playing stupid word games. And the really sad thing is...you think you are winning arguments. Well...far be it from me to dash your fantasies.
 
I think it's a big deal. I don't think there's too much to be done about it except let the experts handle it and then wait for the recovery from the impact. My whole point from page one in this thread has been that recovery will happen and there is no sense in getting in an uproar. Investigate, grow, and learn from the experience but all this quibbling over who's head to have for it isn't productive. At all.

I completely agree. At the same time however it is important to point out weaknesses in the system and also who is incompetent in their jobs or negligent. Like you said, learn and investigate.

It is sad when instances like this turn in to a partisan pissing contest, but then again, that is what every thread in this forum eventually devolves in to.
 
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