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Oil Creeps Deeper Into Delicate Marshes

But at this point, it's crying over spilt milk. The cow will produce more milk by tomorrow so it's just kinda pointless. What's done is done.

That's kind of the thing Jall..... the cow won't produce milk for 20 years...
 
That's kind of the thing Jall..... the cow won't produce milk for 20 years...

I understand that. And I'm not saying it isn't a bad situation all the way around. What I am trying to get across to you guys is that it's not permanent. It will get better in most of our lifetimes, barring some catastrophe that kills us early.

Valdez happened when I was 14 when I lived in NC. I was fishing there when I was 29. It will get better.

Edit: It's a thriving tourist attracting and business again. Don't believe? Call one of these guys.
 
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I understand that. And I'm not saying it isn't a bad situation all the way around. What I am trying to get across to you guys is that it's not permanent. It will get better in most of our lifetimes, barring some catastrophe that kills us early.

Valdez happened when I was 14 when I lived in NC. I was fishing there when I was 29. It will get better.

Edit: It's a thriving tourist attracting and business again. Don't believe? Call one of these guys.

I don't think it's the same. You're not doing it commercially. The locations are different and the number of people who are dependent on the waterways are considerably different. At least those directly impacted are. The gulf coast has millions of people depending on it for commerce, tourism and their very livelihoods. You have multiple states depending on the gulf coast for a lot of different reasons. To my knowledge the accident with Valdez happened in a pretty remote area. Not many people there. Do you not think the immediate impact would thus be different? To me the difference is in the number of people being affected by this thing.
 
stop being an oil consumer---now, there's a winning slogan

hey, america, either lose the cars or forget the gulf and the millions of you who used to prosper there

meanwhile, a mile down, if those leaks are not sealed soon, the gulf is facing an economic and environmental catastrophe on a scale not seen

but, hey, it'll all be better some day...

wow
 
stop being an oil consumer---now, there's a winning slogan

hey, america, either lose the cars or forget the gulf and the millions of you who used to prosper there

meanwhile, a mile down, if those leaks are not sealed soon, the gulf is facing an economic and environmental catastrophe on a scale not seen

but, hey, it'll all be better some day...

wow

Holy ****.... this is the first post by you I've read in its entirety, didn't get lost in and agreed with?
 
stop being an oil consumer---now, there's a winning slogan

hey, america, either lose the cars or forget the gulf and the millions of you who used to prosper there

meanwhile, a mile down, if those leaks are not sealed soon, the gulf is facing an economic and environmental catastrophe on a scale not seen

but, hey, it'll all be better some day...

wow

OK, well you can devolve into all the hysterics you wish but the fact is, it will get better and what's done is done. We need the oil and it's risky business getting it. So you have choices: take the risks or stop using oil. :shrug:
 
OK, well you can devolve into all the hysterics you wish ...

hys·ter·ic (hĭ-stĕrˈĭk)
noun

1. A person suffering from hysteria.
2. hysterics (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
a. A fit of uncontrollable laughing or crying.
b. An attack of hysteria.​

"Uncontrollable laughing or crying." :confused:

Sorry, Jall. I'm just not seeing it.

In light of your complaints here, your use of silly hyperbole is somewhat ill-advised, don't you think?

;)
 
I get my information from news sources, not hysterics on a message board.

Times Online

You were saying?
The 1,000 barrels per day is a very old estimate. You are either intentionally minimizing this leak, in spite of plenty of reputable sources to the contrary, or not staying on top of this as much as you think you are..

U.S. Coast Guard estimates of the amount of oil surging into the Gulf of Mexico from the Deepwater Horizon rig may be low by a factor of 10 or more, National Public Radio has reported.
Analysis of sea floor video made available Wednesday by BP suggests that 70,000 barrels a day are pouring into the Gulf, not 5,000 barrels a day as estimated by the Coast Guard, the report says.

If the analysis by Purdue University professor Steve Werely is correct, the amount of oil in the Gulf has already exceeded the 250,000 barrels spilled in the 1989 Exxon Valdez tanker accident in Alaska.
Gulf of Mexico oil leak volume estimates are dramatically low, analysis suggests | NOLA.com

Uhh, lived next door to it. Kept up on it probably better than anyone else here.

Only about 20 square acres are still contaminated chronically.

You proved my point. It's still not all cleaned up.

What diff does it matter if you lived on a house boat in the middle of it? :roll:

When I start giving a **** what you doubt or have faith in, I'll be sure to let you know, mkay?

And yet you responded to my post.

mkay:confused:
 
Carville, Matthews rip W.H. BP response - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com

once THRILLED chrissy matthews: obama's response to the spill "scares me. He's been acting a little like a Vatican Observer here. When is he actually going to do something?"

serpenthead carville, committed clintonista: "They are risking everything by this 'go along with BP' strategy they have that seems like, lackadaisical on this," Carville told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Friday. "They seem like they're inconvenienced by this, this is some giant thing getting in their way and somehow or another, if you let BP handle it, it'll all go away. It's not going away. It's growing out there. It is a disaster of the first magnitude, and they've got to go to Plan B."

politico, msnbc's (and my) favorite source: "Their statements came on a day when the press corps spent the better part of an hour grilling White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the administration's response to the Deepwater Horizons disaster -- and the cloud of confusion over the amount of oil spilling from the severed exploration pipe and BP's efforts to staunch the flow."

the press corps is getting pissy

what do you think they're gonna spit if this spill is still spewing in a month?

pray
 
I've seen the pictures. I also saw the pictures of Valdez after the Exxon spill. I've also seen Valdez today, in person. Guess what? The picture gets better.
Where exactly is Valdez? Mexico?

You were just there, in person?:rofl
 
Twenty years is not acceptable, especially when it looks like this could have been prevented, had BP followed proper procedures.

So Obama's inspectors that praised the rig have no fault?
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Where exactly is Valdez? Mexico?

You were just there, in person?:rofl

In the last year, yes. It is in Alaska in case you are geographically illiterate.

Edit: I lied. It's been two years yesterday that I was in Alaska and, specifically, Valdez.
 
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You proved my point. It's still not all cleaned up.

What diff does it matter if you lived on a house boat in the middle of it? :roll:

I didn't say "all cleaned up". I said it's fine now and it is. Life has gotten back to normal, the salmon and halibut are good to eat (some damned good fishing, too), and the sound is remarkably full of healthy life.

Reading is fundamental.

So no, you still have no point.
 
I understand that. And I'm not saying it isn't a bad situation all the way around. What I am trying to get across to you guys is that it's not permanent. It will get better in most of our lifetimes, barring some catastrophe that kills us early.

Valdez happened when I was 14 when I lived in NC. I was fishing there when I was 29. It will get better.

Edit: It's a thriving tourist attracting and business again. Don't believe? Call one of these guys.

Was Valdez hit hard by the spill? The spill occurred in the Prince William Sound and the EVOSTC shows the oil flowing away from the city

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Link
 
Was Valdez hit hard by the spill? The spill occurred in the Prince William Sound and the EVOSTC shows the oil flowing away from the city

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Link

Well it pretty much ruined the economy there for about 10 years. And the people of Valdez were in a big suit with Exxon for a long time, though I think that's been settled now.

I find it so funny that people minimize the effect of Valdez just to try to magnify the effect of the Gulf spill. It was TEH HORRORZ when it happened back in '89 but now everyone is saying "oh it wasn't that bad".

Just goes to prove my point that this, too, will pass.
 
You know what we used to call a marsh or wetland?

A SWAMP. A big stinking useless swamp.


You know what we used to do with Swamps?

DRAIN THEM, build DIKES, and then we built NEW ORLEANS.

Yeah well that didn't work out too good either. :mrgreen:

I'm sorry I just can't get too worked up about this. I've spent some time fracking around in swamps... they're intresting I guess, but they'll survive and regrow and who really cares...
 
You know what we used to call a marsh or wetland?

A SWAMP. A big stinking useless swamp.


You know what we used to do with Swamps?

DRAIN THEM, build DIKES, and then we built NEW ORLEANS.

Yeah well that didn't work out too good either. :mrgreen:

I'm sorry I just can't get too worked up about this. I've spent some time fracking around in swamps... they're intresting I guess, but they'll survive and regrow and who really cares...

Depends on the swamp. There are some spectacular swamps. Some great picturesque areas. Now I will never go to them since I fear snakes in a totally unrational manner, but they do look good in pictures.
 
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