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'North Korean torpedo' sank South's navy ship - report

North Korea deserves to be toppled. Not by us, but by South Korea. North Korea just can't match the military strength of South Korea. The only problem is if China gets involved. How are relations between China and South Korea?

Fortunately, this isn't 1950. The only reason why China tolerates North Korea is that they don't have a huge refugee crisis if the government there falls. China sees it's relationship with the US and ROK as far more valuable and doesn't want WWIII. If the North started a war China would probably help the South. The problem with starting a war with NK is that they have a ton of artillery and chemical weapons pointed at Seoul. Victory for the ROK is assured, but civilian casualties would be very, very heavy.
 
Would they use them though? Use of those weapons would ensure a joint invasion by pretty much the rest of the world.
 
I'm sorry but they can't. Trying to engage North Korea for any nation is a perrilous task, they do have millions of fanatical and slave driven soldiers who will fight til the end in fear. They fear their own superiors more than the enemy.

To fight North Korea, it would be a hell of a task, with casaulties we haven't seen since Vietnam. A task no one wants to carry out.

North Korea has terrible industrial capacity. They wouldn't stand a chance against the much-more industrialized South. And frankly, I don't know how loyal those North soldiers would be. Being kept prisoner in your country wouldn't make me prone to help said country.
 
Would they use them though? Use of those weapons would ensure a joint invasion by pretty much the rest of the world.

If you were Kim Jong-il and knew you were going to be toast, would you?

Remember, he isn't the most tightly wrapped leader in the world.
 
Well I don't know. It would probably be the difference between being imprisoned for life or being executed.
 
At the very least I hope reaffirms to the people of South Korea just how big a threat to them North Korea is. I've heard that some South Koreans seem to believe that the country could be happily re-united if not for the presence of the US military.


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Well now those South Koreans are going to be blaming the US for the attack on their navy.
 
Think about it..... I'm sure you will figure it out. :roll:

The only thing that pops to mind might be Katrina, but that would be a really stupid argument.
 
I'm sorry but they can't. Trying to engage North Korea for any nation is a perrilous task, they do have millions of fanatical and slave driven soldiers who will fight til the end in fear. They fear their own superiors more than the enemy.

To fight North Korea, it would be a hell of a task, with casaulties we haven't seen since Vietnam. A task no one wants to carry out.

No actually nothing will come of this attack. Why? Because China will veto any resolutions in the Security Council. And because any military response risks making Tokyo look like Hiroshima or Nagasaki circa 1945.
 
The only thing that pops to mind might be Katrina, but that would be a really stupid argument.

Why would that be? Bush was crucified for not being there night and day... you know, for not rebuilding NO. with his bare hands in 6 days.

Do you for some reason think that Bush wasn't on the phone, meeting with advisors from the minute that Hurricane hit LA.?

So now, who is stupid?
 
Why would that be? Bush was crucified for not being there night and day... you know, for not rebuilding NO. with his bare hands in 6 days.

Do you for some reason think that Bush wasn't on the phone, meeting with advisors from the minute that Hurricane hit LA.?

So now, who is stupid?

What was done to Bush is entirely irrelevant to the argument I made. Further, good look showing where I "crucified" Bush for not being there. I do not speak for "the left", and "the left" does not speak for me. Lastly, are you saying that the criticisms of Bush in that case are justified? Or are you saying that the criticism of Obama here is unjustified?
 
What was done to Bush is entirely irrelevant to the argument I made. Further, good look showing where I "crucified" Bush for not being there. I do not speak for "the left", and "the left" does not speak for me. Lastly, are you saying that the criticisms of Bush in that case are justified? Or are you saying that the criticism of Obama here is unjustified?


Both or neither.... but the standard has to be the same.

Let's face it, neither one is responsible for every bird that falls, but both are or will be held responsible.... that's just the way the world works.

Every bird that fell during Bush's watch was used to crucify him for 8 years. We'll only have 4 years or less to do the same for Barry.... live with it, learn to love it, you probably won't have another chance in your life time.
 
Both or neither.... but the standard has to be the same.

Let's face it, neither one is responsible for every bird that falls, but both are or will be held responsible.... that's just the way the world works.

Every bird that fell during Bush's watch was used to crucify him for 8 years. We'll only have 4 years or less to do the same for Barry.... live with it, learn to love it, you probably won't have another chance in your life time.

But you are arguing against nameless people, not me. I made the argument this time, and I did not crucify Bush over not being at Katrina. Don't use what others do to argue against me. Stick to arguing what I say.
 
BBC News - 'North Korean torpedo' sank South's navy ship - report


This is some serious **** :shock: the repercussions could be dire, I mean it's not as if they could go to war... could they? Highly doubt it, but this has serious implications not only on South Korea but for you in the US too.

Technically speaking ... they are still at war. The war never officially ended ... a cease fire was declared and the conflict ended... the war did not.

The North is asking to be obliterated. This would cause another conflict in Korea... in which the North is the enemy. The Pyongyang made a grave error and needs to be delt with. It's time for Kim Jong Ill and his family to be removed and for the North to be put in permenant check.
 
Technically speaking ... they are still at war. The war never officially ended ... a cease fire was declared and the conflict ended... the war did not.

The North is asking to be obliterated. This would cause another conflict in Korea... in which the North is the enemy. The Pyongyang made a grave error and needs to be delt with. It's time for Kim Jong Ill and his family to be removed and for the North to be put in permenant check.

Well, thats a laudable goal . . . and how would you suggest accomplishing it? As in my prior post, the two most direct methods: military and UN security council are impossible. In the latter, the Chinese have veto power. In the former, the North Koreans have intermediate range missles and nuclear weapons which I'm certain they would use.
Should we just ask them nicely? Shake a shame shame finger at them? Stop food shipments so the people starve? Options are a bit lacking.
 
Well, thats a laudable goal . . . and how would you suggest accomplishing it? As in my prior post, the two most direct methods: military and UN security council are impossible. In the latter, the Chinese have veto power. In the former, the North Koreans have intermediate range missles and nuclear weapons which I'm certain they would use.
Should we just ask them nicely? Shake a shame shame finger at them? Stop food shipments so the people starve? Options are a bit lacking.

India is not very friendly with China, now. Now, if India were to get involved somehow it would make it interesting.
 
But you are arguing against nameless people, not me. I made the argument this time, and I did not crucify Bush over not being at Katrina. Don't use what others do to argue against me. Stick to arguing what I say.

An I supposed to click my heels when I say yes sir? :roll:
 
An I supposed to click my heels when I say yes sir? :roll:

Nah, you can make the argument, and I will make it look bad again.
 
India is not very friendly with China, now. Now, if India were to get involved somehow it would make it interesting.

Interesting, or nightmarish. I think humans are too good at killing each other to survive another world war.
 
It's time for Kim Jong Ill and his family to be removed and for the North to be put in permenant check.

You willing to sign up to be one of those that goes over there to fight it? You willing to sacrifice over a million lives (the lives that will be lost within a matter of less than a couple of months)?

It's easy to play god on the internet isn't it? But the reality of the situation dictates that we do not go for a full-out war with North Korea over this.
 
Well, thats a laudable goal . . . and how would you suggest accomplishing it? As in my prior post, the two most direct methods: military and UN security council are impossible. In the latter, the Chinese have veto power. In the former, the North Koreans have intermediate range missles and nuclear weapons which I'm certain they would use.
Should we just ask them nicely? Shake a shame shame finger at them? Stop food shipments so the people starve? Options are a bit lacking.

Do you really think those food shipments are reaching the poor? Most of that food lands in the pantrys of rich people in Pyongyang. Seriously, the South Koreans need to bomb the hell out of North Korea. Japan would be glad to help and the Chinese are not going to do **** becaue it isn't in their interest to do so.

The Chinese have repeatedly told King Jong Jackoff to behave. He has failed to listen and now ... his ass will get handed to him while the Chinese stand by and watch.
 
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