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Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

TurtleDude said:
you know you would lose so you spew this nonsense. I already told you people on this forum know me personally. And anyone who understands an IPA knows you are blowing smoke out of your six
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I wouldn't lose because you just post your false info to someone anbd then have them lie for you. It's as simple as that, it's a con job.

You refuse to post any factual information because you will be proven a liar and a fraud.
 
texmaster said:
Wrong again. The 10th Amendment is specific to restricting the powers of the federal government and forcing health care on everyone would be a direct violation of that Amendment.
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Well then you have no problem taking it to court right now and having it overturned. Oh yeah, you haven't because it ISN'T unconsitutional, you just don't like it.
 
TheNextEra said:
Well then you have no problem taking it to court right now and having it overturned. Oh yeah, you haven't because it ISN'T unconsitutional, you just don't like it.
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Actually its been filed in court right now. If you read a little you would have known that.
 
TheNextEra said:
Well then you have no problem taking it to court right now and having it overturned. Oh yeah, you haven't because it ISN'T unconsitutional, you just don't like it.
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17 AG's disagree with you and are taking it to court
 
Conservative said:
17 AG's disagree with you and are taking it to court
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17 AGs out of how many HAVEN'T filed? Again the majority do NOT think it is unconstitutional.

Please continue your whining though, it is quite amusing and will make it that much sweeter when it is ruled constitutional.
 
TheNextEra said:
17 AGs out of how many HAVEN'T filed? Again the majority do NOT think it is unconstitutional.

Please continue your whining though, it is quite amusing and will make it that much sweeter when it is ruled constitutional.
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LOL, it only takes one and it remains to be seen whether or not the courts agree with you or them. Why does it matter to you? Who forced you to buy insurance?
 
TheNextEra said:
Well then you have no problem taking it to court right now and having it overturned. Oh yeah, you haven't because it ISN'T unconsitutional, you just don't like it.
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So, then this is now the standard? We must assume that everything must be taken to court, or else too bad? What happened to our reps adhering to the rule of law? Just for the other guy?


j-mac
 
Conservative said:
LOL, it only takes one and it remains to be seen whether or not the courts agree with you or them. Why does it matter to you? Who forced you to buy insurance?
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I'm not forced at all to buy insurance. I just love it when the rabid right cries unconstitutional when it is constitutional.

But feel free to continue to shout at the rooftop it is unconstitutional, it is quite amusing to say the least. :lol:
 
TheNextEra said:
They are, it is constitutional so there isn't a problem.
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Well, that is to date, your opinion. I just think it's sad that a President that won office railing against what he thought the previous administration was doing in an authoritarian manner is now perfectly fine because it is Barry doing it... That's just Bull! and dishonest.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Well, that is to date, your opinion.
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Actually, to date, it is not my opinion it is fact until proven otherwise.

j-mac said:
I just think it's sad that a President that won office railing against what he thought the previous administration was doing in an authoritarian manner is now perfectly fine because it is Barry doing it... That's just Bull! and dishonest.
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Now that is your OPINION. I do not see it as authoritarian, but then that is my opinion as well.
 
TheNextEra said:
I'm not forced at all to buy insurance. I just love it when the rabid right cries unconstitutional when it is constitutional.

But feel free to continue to shout at the rooftop it is unconstitutional, it is quite amusing to say the least. :lol:
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So it is unconstitutional because you SAY it is? interesting.

No one forced you to buy insurance? Hmmm, why? If no one forced you why should anyone else be forced to buy insurance?

I happen to believe it is Unconstitutional and we will find out just how far the Supreme Court will take the Commerce clause. What is next for you that you want to force on the American people?
 
Conservative said:
So it is unconstitutional because you SAY it is? interesting.
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I feel honored that you think of me as THE person to decide if it is constitutional, but I'm not. There are many legal experts that have already looked into it and have shown it to be constitutional. I am simply just agreeing with them and their decision.

Conservative said:
What is next for you that you want to force on the American people?
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There are already MANY MANY things American people are forced to do. I am forced to pay taxes for wars I do not want. Other gay people are forced to not be able to have government recognize their marriages. Others are forced to not smoke marijuana in public without fear of being arrested. Hell, in some areas people are forced to not be able to smoke in public period without fear of being fined and/or arrested.

You whine about being forced to buy into health care but seem to have no problem with other things you are forced to do.

Spare me your selective outrage.
 
TheNextEra said:
Filed does not prove it is unconstitutional.
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I never said it did.

I addressed your laughable challenge to file when you didn't even know it had aleady been filed. :rofl
 
The problem arises when you have government forcing you to buy a product from a private business. None of the things you mentioned above do that.


j-mac
 
TheNextEra;1058762626]I feel honored that you think of me as THE person to decide if it is constitutional, but I'm not. There are many legal experts that have already looked into it and have shown it to be constitutional. I am simply just agreeing with them and their decision.
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There are nine members of the Supreme Court that trump your legal experts and we will see how they respond.

There are already MANY MANY things American people are forced to do. I am forced to pay taxes for wars I do not want. Other gay people are forced to not be able to have government recognize their marriages. Others are forced to not smoke marijuana in public without fear of being arrested. Hell, in some areas people are forced to not be able to smoke in public period without fear of being fined and/or arrested.
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So you want a cafeteria style govt. where you can pick and choose what you support or not? Interesting. Have you read the Constitution? The role of the govt. is to protect its citizens and that means supporting wars that you don't agree with. I doubt that you would agree with any war and would simply try and talk our enemies to death.

Gay marriage has nothing to do with the Constitution, Marriage isn't a Constituional right. Smoking Marijuana is what I believe you are doing with just about every post because that is about as much sense as you are making.

You whine about being forced to buy into health care but seem to have no problem with other things you are forced to do.

Spare me your selective outrage.
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I buy insurance because of personal responsibility and understanding that I have a responsibility to pay for services I get. My insurance relieves my financial responsibility something apparently you don't seem to understand.

if someone chooses not to buy insurance then the hospital or doctor has ever right to go after the assets of that individual. instead they want to take the easy way out and get the money from the taxpayer.
 
Conservative said:
There are nine members of the Supreme Court that trump your legal experts and we will see how they respond.
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Just as they can trump your precious AGs that are filing. Remember that.

Conservative said:
Have you read the Constitution? The role of the govt. is to protect its citizens and that means supporting wars that you don't agree with. I doubt that you would agree with any war and would simply try and talk our enemies to death.
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And it is also insuring the care of the American citizens. As this bill does. As for wars, you have no idea what I support, because you don't care and you just spout worthless rhetoric.

Conservative said:
Gay marriage has nothing to do with the Constitution, Marriage isn't a Constituional right.
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Now who is picking and choosing. Marrying someone of a different race was not deemed constitutional at one time as well. If ever ruled constitutional, gay marriage would be included as well.

Conservative said:
Smoking Marijuana is what I believe you are doing with just about every post because that is about as much sense as you are making.
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Ah yes, because ANYONE who disagrees with the bill being unconstitutional smoke pot. Classic moronic comment from you again.


Conservative said:
I buy insurance because of personal responsibility and understanding that I have a responsibility to pay for services I get. My insurance relieves my financial responsibility something apparently you don't seem to understand.

if someone chooses not to buy insurance then the hospital or doctor has ever right to go after the assets of that individual. instead they want to take the easy way out and get the money from the taxpayer.
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What YOU do is irrelevant.
 
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j-mac said:
The problem arises when you have government forcing you to buy a product from a private business. None of the things you mentioned above do that.
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It forces you to take responsibility for yourself or suffer the consequences much like the government forces you to do many many other things.
 
TheNextEra said:
It forces you to take responsibility for yourself or suffer the consequences much like the government forces you to do many many other things.
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If you really supported people taking responsibility for themselves or face consequences you would

1) oppose social security

2) call for an end of most of the welfare state socialism

You'd be a LIBERTARIAN
 
TheNextEra said:
Filed does not prove it is unconstitutional.
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and just because previous courts have allowed other crap to remain does not preclude educated people from continuing to say it is unconstitutional.

shoot some truth serum into just about any federal judge and they would say that stuff like social security, federal gun laws and the war on drugs clearly violate the tenth amendment
 
texmaster said:
Thats why this is so complicated an issue. Both sides believe they are right.

The argument for social security was that it is a tax. Health care is a required purchase of service and not exclusively from the government thus separating the two instances.
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Which means, had they put the Public Option in, and made it a tax, it would have been Constitutional?

Just playing Devil's advocate here, and I do like your answer.
 
danarhea said:
Which means, had they put the Public Option in, and made it a tax, it would have been Constitutional?

Just playing Devil's advocate here, and I do like your answer.
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I'd have to say yes since it would be provided by the government and paid for in the form of a tax.
 
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TheNextEra said:
It forces you to take responsibility for yourself or suffer the consequences much like the government forces you to do many many other things.
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No, not really. Many have already proclaimed that they will pay the nominal penalty per year until they actually need coverage, then they will just jump on board. However, you can not legislate personal responsibility. People will get it, or they won't. Using governmental force, is not American in the slightest.


j-mac
 
Critz's convincing win has to be a severe blow to Republican hopes to win control of the House. They nationalized the campaign, attacking Pelosi, Reed and Obama while Critz focused on local issues. Result: easy victory for the Democrat. This race will be repeated across the nation this fall.
 
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