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Mark Critz Defeats Tim Burns in Pennsylvania Special Election for Murtha's Seat

I consider that a good thing about the Democrats. Republicans as they are now aren't needed. We can have a full scale discussion and all sides are represented. We have the pro gun people, the prolifers, the fiscally conservative, the liberal etc.

During the healthcare debate there was a full on debate amongst democrats without any republican help. We debated abortion, the public option, single payer, being fiscally conservative (which is why Obama wanted a budget neutral plan, cause many dem's are fiscally conservative and wouldn't vote for something that inflates the budget), etc.

Meanwhile the Republicans had to resort to making up crap like killing granny and death panels. That was the extent of their debate.


Problem is with liberals results don't matter for it is all about the rhetoric but only rhetoric that supports the leftwing point of view. This is a Center Right country, not a far left country that Disneydude and others want to make it. The American people are overwhelmingly against bailouts, national healthcare, massive govt. expansion yet that doesn't deter arrogant liberals from pushing on.

Reality is liberalism fails wherever it is tried yet liberal arrogance here believes they can do it better. The poster child for green energy and jobs is Spain with its rising unemployment and massive debt, 2 1/2 jobs lost for every green job created. The liberal argument is they just didn't implement it properly.

Liberals will continue to take us over a cliff
 
LOL, so that wasn't this cycle? what was Obama doing in sending operatives to Pa to promote Specter? You simply are too brainwashed to understand reality.

About brainwashing - It's a two way street. Yup, I can see it in the Democrats, and I see it in the Republicans too. If the other guy wins, make an excuse. If your guy wins, then say it's proof that the other party is going into the toilet. Meanwhile, there are issues that need to be seriously addressed, but are they? Of course not. Both parties are content to spew their own BS, and keep their crappy rhetoric alive, issues be damned.
 
About brainwashing - It's a two way street. Yup, I can see it in the Democrats, and I see it in the Republicans too. If the other guy wins, make an excuse. If your guy wins, then say it's proof that the other party is going into the toilet. Meanwhile, there are issues that need to be seriously addressed, but are they? Of course not. Both parties are content to spew their own BS, and keep their crappy rhetoric alive, issues be damned.

Would be more than happy to discuss actual issues with anyone but cannot seem to get an Obama supporter to actually do that. It is all about ideology and symbolism over substance with Obama
 
Candidates seeking Murtha seat shun President Obama?s policies - TheHill.com

Critz ad: 'I opposed the health care bill' - Josh Kraushaar - POLITICO.com

NOT a win for obama

critz specifically ran against the addled administration, proudly opposing health care and cap and trade

he's pro life and pro gun

critz went out of his way, in fact, to credit admiral mullen for moving dadt (which isn't moving, by the way) and NOT the put out president

he purposely did NOT invite the president in

it is what it is

congrats, i guess
TNDG: Brown was against the healthcare law too, and he can't vote Democrat fast enough these days.
 
Would be more than happy to discuss actual issues with anyone but cannot seem to get an Obama supporter to actually do that. It is all about ideology and symbolism over substance with Obama

It's the same with the other side too, or have you missed all the talking points about Obama being a Kenyan who stole the presidency?
 
It's the same with the other side too, or have you missed all the talking points about Obama being a Kenyan who stole the presidency?

There is enough to oppose Obama on without the eligibility issue. Obama's policies are the issue here. I don't know if he is eligible or not but he sure is spending a lot of money avoiding answering the questions.

My concern is his big govt, anti capitalism policies and his apologizing for the greatness of America. He has created more debt in 2 years than Reagan did in 8, has over 15 million unemployed Americans, 1.2 million discouraged workers, has taken over GM/Chrysler and the biggest issue on his plate is healthcare and cap and tax?

People have been brainwashed by this radical and that is what is scary. Attempts to divert to other issues is just that, a diversion from the harm he is doing to this country.
 
There is enough to oppose Obama on without the eligibility issue. Obama's policies are the issue here. I don't know if he is eligible or not but he sure is spending a lot of money avoiding answering the questions.

My concern is his big govt, anti capitalism policies and his apologizing for the greatness of America. He has created more debt in 2 years than Reagan did in 8, has over 15 million unemployed Americans, 1.2 million discouraged workers, has taken over GM/Chrysler and the biggest issue on his plate is healthcare and cap and tax?

People have been brainwashed by this radical and that is what is scary. Attempts to divert to other issues is just that, a diversion from the harm he is doing to this country.

Yes, oppose Obama's spending policies. That is good, but where the hell were Republicans when Bush was doing the same thing? Calling those who criticized his spending anti-Americans. That's what.

Hypocrisy cuts both ways too.
 
TNDG: Brown was against the healthcare law too, and he can't vote Democrat fast enough these days.

no, obama's entire legislative agenda is out of reach, reg reform, the kerry/graham climate compromise, immigration (for which there is famously "no appetite")...
 
Yes, oppose Obama's spending policies. That is good, but where the hell were Republicans when Bush was doing the same thing? Calling those who criticized his spending anti-Americans. That's what.

Hypocrisy cuts both ways too.

A lot of Republicans opposed the Bush spending but not many who opposed it actually viewed what it was being spent on. The worst Bush deficit was 460 billion dollars and most of the debt accumulated by Bush was generated by 9/11, the cost of Hurricanes, and all that spending was supported by a Democrat Controlled Congress in 2001-02 and 2007-08.

Too many people never let actual facts get in the way of their own personal opinion. BEA.gov will show actual spending and will show that govt. revenue increased during the Bush years up to 2008. Since Obama has taken office unemployment has grown with over 15 million unemployed and govt. revenue has dropped every month.

Asked today and if honesty was a true policy most Obama supporters would have buyers remorse.

We do not elect a king and we get three equal branches of govt. Trouble is today we have two of those branches controlled by the leftwing whackos whose vision is that European socialist model, a model that is going up in flames.
 
A lot of Republicans opposed the Bush spending but not many who opposed it actually viewed what it was being spent on. The worst Bush deficit was 460 billion dollars and most of the debt accumulated by Bush was generated by 9/11, the cost of Hurricanes, and all that spending was supported by a Democrat Controlled Congress in 2001-02 and 2007-08.

Too many people never let actual facts get in the way of their own personal opinion. BEA.gov will show actual spending and will show that govt. revenue increased during the Bush years up to 2008. Since Obama has taken office unemployment has grown with over 15 million unemployed and govt. revenue has dropped every month.

Asked today and if honesty was a true policy most Obama supporters would have buyers remorse.

We do not elect a king and we get three equal branches of govt. Trouble is today we have two of those branches controlled by the leftwing whackos whose vision is that European socialist model, a model that is going up in flames.

That kind of reminds me of the argument "We only torture a little". :mrgreen:
 
That kind of reminds me of the argument "We only torture a little". :mrgreen:

It hasn't been proven that we torture at all or at least State sponsored torture. The misinformation about the Bush Administration is staggering and distorted to promote an agenda. We are seeing today the affects of that misinformation and the election of the disaster we have in the WH.

Facts never get in the way of some people's opinions and those that want to distort the Bush Agenda do so to divert from the Obama agenda. Bush is gone but instead of challenging Obama it is easier to continue to blame Bush.

Neil Cavuto | Your World - FOXNews.com
 
This dood is a pro-life, pro-veteran, pro-2nd amendment, pro-deficit reduction.... The only thing missing is a tea party mention. :lamo

I'd have voted for him. For you DD to claim victory here is rather funny.

Amazing isn't it? We actually have conservative Democrats in our party. There are no more liberal Republicans, of course.

And of course, he's still more liberal than the Republican who was running in that race. (And since when are "pro-veteran" and pro-deficit reduction conservative-only issues, anyway?)

The point you guys are all avoiding is this: The GOP claimed that people would vote against all the Democrats and that the GOP would win race after race. That hasn't happened.

So either admit that the earlier prediction was wrong, or stop trying to make excuses.

Once more, poll after poll shows two things:

1. People are angry at incumbents of both parties;

2. Even though both parties are unpopular, the Republicans are even less popular than the Democrats. A downturn in Democratic support has not resulted in an upturn of Republican support.
 
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Yes, oppose Obama's spending policies. That is good, but where the hell were Republicans when Bush was doing the same thing? Calling those who criticized his spending anti-Americans. That's what.

Hypocrisy cuts both ways too.

I was. Many of us were. I hated the placating and screw-it approach Bush had his last two years. Detested it.

He turned into John McCain in front of my eyes, and while I think history will be kind to Bush one day, I will never forget the about-face he took on his way out.
 
2. Even though both parties are unpopular, the Republicans are even less popular than the Democrats. A downturn in Democratic support has not resulted in an upturn of Republican support.

So why are the indpendents running to the right, and just who do you think these tea partiers will be voting for (which includes a lot of independents and even former Democrats).

Your statement is completely contradicted by the events in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Virginia, Florida, etc.
 
Amazing isn't it? We actually have conservative Democrats in our party. There are no more liberal Republicans, of course.

And of course, he's still more liberal than the Republican who was running in that race. (And since when are "pro-veteran" and pro-deficit reduction conservative-only issues, anyway?)

The point you guys are all avoiding is this: The GOP claimed that people would vote against all the Democrats and that the GOP would win race after race. That hasn't happened.

So either admit that the earlier prediction was wrong, or stop trying to make excuses.

Once more, poll after poll shows two things:

1. People are angry at incumbents of both parties;

2. Even though both parties are unpopular, the Republicans are even less popular than the Democrats. A downturn in Democratic support has not resulted in an upturn of Republican support.


Your party is led by Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. What have they done that you support?
 
So why are the indpendents running to the right, and just who do you think these tea partiers will be voting for (which includes a lot of independents and even former Democrats).

Your statement is completely contradicted by the events in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Virginia, Florida, etc.

And yet you leave off yesterday's elections in Pennsylvania from your list.

All we've seen really are primaries at this point -- the extremists in either party tend to be the ones who vote, which means you get the more liberal Democrats and the more conservative Republicans winning. Lincoln in Arkansas for instance is facing a challenge from the left, not the right.

And in the one race that was a special election and not a primary the Democrat won in a conservative district that voted for McCain.
 
So why are the indpendents running to the right, and just who do you think these tea partiers will be voting for (which includes a lot of independents and even former Democrats).

Your statement is completely contradicted by the events in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Virginia, Florida, etc.

And yours is completely contradicted by the events of Ny and Pa.
 
And yours is completely contradicted by the events of Ny and Pa.

And the results are in..... The arguments of both sides are contradicted, but neither side is going to admit it either. LOL.
 
last tuesday TWENTY EIGHT YEAR VETERAN alan mollohan lost in HIS primary to state senator mike oliverio by TWELVE POINTS

oliverio beat up on the insider incumbent on HEALTH CARE, particulary its PUBLIC FUNDING OF ABORTION, and CAP AND TRADE which is killer politics in coal-black west virginia, ask bobby kkk byrd

Rep. Alan Mollohan loses in West Virginia - Alex Isenstadt - POLITICO.com

it is what it is

seeya in november in AR2, KS3, MS1, NH2, NY29, PA11, PA7, VA5, IN8, NH1, NV3, CO4, NM2, TN8, MD1, TX17, OH15...
 
And the results are in..... The arguments of both sides are contradicted, but neither side is going to admit it either. LOL.

I agree Dana....but I admit it.

The voters are all over the place and if the economy falters, the GOP could still make major gains. The continued improvement of the economy though will not result in the windfall that the right-wing is hoping for.
 
And the results are in..... The arguments of both sides are contradicted, but neither side is going to admit it either. LOL.

heh! Well no matter what trend you see there will always be individual concerns that can trump them.

My contention fits with both:

People are angry at incumbents; and in the primaries Democrats nominate more liberals and Republicans nominate more conservatives.

Massachusetts did not have an incumbent so it could go either way; but I think there was something different there as well -- the Democratic candidate was terrible! She had no personality, hated campaigning, and insulted people wherever she went.
 

Thank you for sharing the good news for democrats.

Republican candidates now hold a five-point lead over Democrats in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot, a further narrowing of the gap between the two parties to the smallest margin this year.

...

Support for Democrats held steady from last week, while support for Republicans dipped slightly.

In the third week of April, Republicans posted a 10-point lead over Democrats

Repubs had gained big, and now democrats are reversing the trend. Good news going into the election.
 
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