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Specter rejected by Pa. Dems in bid for 6th term

"Pray Tell?" ****, dude...you ever checked into voter participation vs. potential voters in this country? I personally think it's not only appallingly low, but civic education of voters is abyssmal....

Oh, so you wish there were more people voting? Be careful what you wish for. It might come true.

BTW, I am not a dude, sir.
 
This victory really helps the Democrats. Sestak has a lot better chance of winning the general election and he agrees with practically all of Obama's policies and even said he didn't go far enough.
 
This victory really helps the Democrats. Sestak has a lot better chance of winning the general election and he agrees with practically all of Obama's policies and even said he didn't go far enough.

Sestak has a lot better chance of being subpoenaed and testifying under oath about who offered him a job from the White House and how could that person or persons --- offer him a Secty of the Navy position without Obama's direct say so.

The problem here is, the story isn't going away and sometime before November Sestak will have to come clean on the White House's behalf and if necessary, fall on the sword for Obama or someone from his administration, like the good soldier he is. :shrug:
 
Sestak has a lot better chance of being subpoenaed and testifying under oath about who offered him a job from the White House and how could that person or persons --- offer him a Secty of the Navy position without Obama's direct say so.

The problem here is, the story isn't going away and sometime before November Sestak will have to come clean on the White House's behalf and if necessary, fall on the sword for Obama or someone from his administration, like the good soldier he is. :shrug:

If being offered a job in the White House is the worst the Republicans have on him he's in great shape. This issue won't be a significant factor to the end result of this election.
 
If being offered a job in the White House is the worst the Republicans have on him he's in great shape. This issue won't be a significant factor to the end result of this election.

If Quid Pro Quo... the only person who can authorize an appointment for the Sec. of the Navy is Obama. That quid pro quo is a felony.

Not great shape in any shape or form.
 
If Quid Pro Quo... the only person who can authorize an appointment for the Sec. of the Navy is Obama. That quid pro quo is a felony.

Not great shape in any shape or form.

it doesn't pass the smell test
but like most things political, there is margin for plausible deniability
if the waters were tested to inquire whether he was interested in becoming the secretary of the navy before becoming heavily immersed in a run for office, would that have been a quid pro quo circumstance?
 
he SAID he was offered a job in exchange for his quitting, a claim gibbs could not deny
 
it doesn't pass the smell test
but like most things political, there is margin for plausible deniability
if the waters were tested to inquire whether he was interested in becoming the secretary of the navy before becoming heavily immersed in a run for office, would that have been a quid pro quo circumstance?

No - testing the waters and offering a job if Sestak dropped out are two different things. Which begs the question:

If it were just testing the waters --- why would the WH and Sestak avoid answering the inquiries for the past 2 months? It sounds as if this will require subpoena's and an "under oath" discussion where Sestak will either come clean and provide all he knows (doubtful) or he'll simply say he was mistaken and the dozen or so interviews where he stated "honestly, YES" the White House offered him something to drop out of the PA race, was all a big mistake (more likely). And if there's something found to implicate the WH in any way --- Sestak will take full blame and leave in disgrace taking the bullet for his party and President (somewhat likely depending on where this goes).

I just happen to feel that this would be a field day of giddy joy were this Bush/Cheney on the hot seat. The calls for Republicans to be jailed, impeached, etc... would be overwhelming. Somehow I don't see that same thing happening over the last 2 months.
 
No - testing the waters and offering a job if Sestak dropped out are two different things. Which begs the question:

If it were just testing the waters --- why would the WH and Sestak avoid answering the inquiries for the past 2 months? It sounds as if this will require subpoena's and an "under oath" discussion where Sestak will either come clean and provide all he knows (doubtful) or he'll simply say he was mistaken and the dozen or so interviews where he stated "honestly, YES" the White House offered him something to drop out of the PA race, was all a big mistake (more likely). And if there's something found to implicate the WH in any way --- Sestak will take full blame and leave in disgrace taking the bullet for his party and President (somewhat likely depending on where this goes).

I just happen to feel that this would be a field day of giddy joy were this Bush/Cheney on the hot seat. The calls for Republicans to be jailed, impeached, etc... would be overwhelming. Somehow I don't see that same thing happening over the last 2 months.

If the WH lawyers are at all good, they would advise avoiding answering any questions about potential misconduct, even if innocent, unless required to by the courts.
 
If the WH lawyers are at all good, they would advise avoiding answering any questions about potential misconduct, even if innocent, unless required to by the courts.

Legally - yes, a sound strategy to follow.

Politically - not so good as this is yet more fodder for the LACK of transparency from this White House that was voted in partially, for CHANGE and the claim of full transparency.
 
Legally - yes, a sound strategy to follow.

Politically - not so good as this is yet more fodder for the LACK of transparency from this White House that was voted in partially, for CHANGE and the claim of full transparency.

Since it is a legal issue, I really don't see how any one can hold it against him for not commenting.
 
Since it is a legal issue, I really don't see how any one can hold it against him for not commenting.

Is it a legal issue? If so... this could be big trouble.
 
Is it a legal issue? If so... this could be big trouble.

I believe it is. I seem to remember reading that if there was a quid pro quo offer, that would be illegal. I got to run in a few minutes, but I can try and find out for sure later if you want.
 
legalities are one thing, politics another, hello

Sestak, White House deflect job-offer questions | Philadelphia Inquirer | 05/24/2010

During an appearance on NBC's Meet the Press, Sestak confirmed he was offered a job. But he would not answer host David Gregory's follow-up questions. "Anything that goes beyond that is for others to talk about," Sestak said.

well, folks are

like the inquirer, mr schieffer, mr gregory, mr issa, and the pissy press corps which "bombarded" mr gibbs on wednesday "with questions about the allegation"

too bad gibbs couldn't answer
 
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No - testing the waters and offering a job if Sestak dropped out are two different things. Which begs the question:

If it were just testing the waters --- why would the WH and Sestak avoid answering the inquiries for the past 2 months? It sounds as if this will require subpoena's and an "under oath" discussion where Sestak will either come clean and provide all he knows (doubtful) or he'll simply say he was mistaken and the dozen or so interviews where he stated "honestly, YES" the White House offered him something to drop out of the PA race, was all a big mistake (more likely). And if there's something found to implicate the WH in any way --- Sestak will take full blame and leave in disgrace taking the bullet for his party and President (somewhat likely depending on where this goes).

I just happen to feel that this would be a field day of giddy joy were this Bush/Cheney on the hot seat. The calls for Republicans to be jailed, impeached, etc... would be overwhelming. Somehow I don't see that same thing happening over the last 2 months.

sestak was offer a job by the white house, he has confirmed that
if he accepted the offered job, presumably the retired admiral was offered the secretary of the navy position, then it would be obvious he would have to drop out of the race against specter to accept that position
while all parties would understand that, the obvious would not have to be explained
so, this cannot be found a bribe, or any form of quid pro quo
and neither can this form of politics be found change we can believe in, either


and you are so wrong about your assessment that if this had happened during the dubya bin lyin regime, the shrub would have been taken to task for it
all i need to say to prove my point is that the neocons were in lockstep in protecting the shrub when his white house outed a covert CIA agent for political purposes ... and got away with such treason
 
legalities are one thing, politics another, hello

Sestak, White House deflect job-offer questions | Philadelphia Inquirer | 05/24/2010



well, folks are

like the inquirer, mr schieffer, mr gregory, mr issa, and the pissy press corps which "bombarded" mr gibbs on wednesday "with questions about the allegation"

Well that's the thing. I'm not sure it's really a legal issue though I can see the lack of transparency on the part of all involved would lead us to believe there are illegality's and a quid pro quo offer was made. We need facts is all I'm saying and if we can't get them voluntarily then I think an investigation needs to take place.

My only cynical view here is, if improprieties took place, the worse that will happen is Sestak will be out and potentially a Republican will win that seat. I seriously doubt this will take down Obama or any of his staff no matter WHAT the impropriety actually was or how bad it may have been. We'll probably never actually find out.

Politically I think the WH would want this over before November and not after. So whatever is going to happen will happen in the next 6 months and probably 2-3 months optimally.
 
sestak was offer a job by the white house, he has confirmed that
if he accepted the offered job, presumably the retired admiral was offered the secretary of the navy position, then it would be obvious he would have to drop out of the race against specter to accept that position
while all parties would understand that, the obvious would not have to be explained
so, this cannot be found a bribe, or any form of quid pro quo
and neither can this form of politics be found change we can believe in, either

One does not have to accept the offer for the bribe to take place, nor the felony to occur.

and you are so wrong about your assessment that if this had happened during the dubya bin lyin regime, the shrub would have been taken to task for it
Given the time and mood of the country at that time with the liberals on parade, this would be the biggest scandal since Watergate - so I'll dismiss your assessment and keep my own. It would be huge and front page for weeks if not months. Of course that's hypothetical, so you keep your view I'll keep mine.

all i need to say to prove my point is that the neocons were in lockstep in protecting the shrub when his white house outed a covert CIA agent for political purposes ... and got away with such treason
As is the Obama administration on this issue and others, lock step. :shrug: Pot meet kettle.
 
oh, yes, it IS a legal issue

but the legalities aint gonna go nowhere

the politics, however, are still to play out

and it STINKS

happy campaigning, admiral

seeya in november
 
and why did the president so powerfully prefer benedict arlen?

why did arlen lose?

why does everyone the president touches fall?
 
Dem lawmaker urges White House to release details on Sestak job - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

wow, it's wiener, every progressive's pet, proudest proponent of public option in pelosi's entire place

Weiner said that allegations that White House officials had offered Sestak an administration job in exchange for his dropping of his primary bid against Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) had become a growing political liability.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs maintained on Sunday that "nothing inappropriate happened."

Weiner said that he saw it as likely that nothing inappropriate did happen, but reasoned that this was why the administration needed to be more forthcoming about the case.

"When we're having conversations like this three days after the nomination, that's a problem," said Weiner, who also expressed support for Sestak's Senate campaign.

But the New York Democrat said the best way to do that was with some sort of release of information, which he said would bury the story.

"Someone has to help us out here, and I think the White House and Congressman Sestak need to make sure we're not talking about this next week," Weiner explained.
 
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