Rand Paul wins, and libertarians rejoice

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Right Now - Rand Paul wins, and libertarians rejoice

By David Weigel | May 18, 2010; 8:00 PM ET

Two years ago, Rand Paul was a harried campaign surrogate, trying desperately to get Republicans interested in supporting -- and big media interested in covering -- the quixotic presidential campaign of his father, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.).

Tonight, Rand Paul is the Republican Party's nominee for the U.S. Senate in Kentucky, after clobbering former front-runner Trey Grayson. Paul is set to carry even Boone County, where Grayson lives. When the Associated Press called the race, Paul was winning by 22 points with about a third of precincts in.

Great news! Let's carry this momentum into 2010 and 2012!

Give me liberty or give me death!

 

[TurtleDude]

Great news! Let's carry this momentum into 2010 and 2012!

Give me liberty or give me death!

I live near cincinnati. Grayson was claiming he was a Northern KY conservative in that market. Of course, Paul's patron-Bean Ball Bunning was called that "damn catholic from Cincinnati" by the Louisville GOP establishment at one time

 

[cpwill]

"I have a message, a message from the tea party, a message that is loud and clear and does not mince words: We've come to take our government back"

 

[Deuce]

So is this guy much like Ron Paul, ideologically speaking? Gold standard, "fair" tax, etc?

 

[cpwill]

Ron Paul is not a fair tax supporter; as i understand it, Rand is in favor of a muscular defense and supports the War in Afghanistan and Iraq (unlike his father).

but both are associated generally with the libertarian wing of the Republican Party, yes.

 

[Deuce]

Ron Paul is not a fair tax supporter; as i understand it, Rand is in favor of a muscular defense and supports the War in Afghanistan and Iraq (unlike his father).

but both are associated generally with the libertarian wing of the Republican Party, yes.

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether he is a libertarian or WTFCRAZYlibertarian like his father.

 

[TurtleDude]

Ron Paul is not a fair tax supporter; as i understand it, Rand is in favor of a muscular defense and supports the War in Afghanistan and Iraq (unlike his father).

but both are associated generally with the libertarian wing of the Republican Party, yes.

He is also "pro life"-an issue that splits the libertarians

I for example, am part of the pro-choice, libertarian non-religious wing of the GOP. I know plenty of libertarians that are bible thumping right to lifers as well

 

[Deuce]

He is also "pro life"-an issue that splits the libertarians

I for example, am part of the pro-choice, libertarian non-religious wing of the GOP. I know plenty of libertarians that are bible thumping right to lifers as well

So according to the tea party you're a radical leftist. :mrgreen:

 

[Cold Highway]

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether he is a libertarian or WTFCRAZYlibertarian like his father.

How is Ron Paul crazy?

 

[TurtleDude]

So according to the tea party you're a radical leftist. :mrgreen:

nope-but you knew that

there are plenty of pro choice tea party members. That movement is about the parasitic taxation and waste of the public coin by both dems and republicans. Abortion is not a tea party issue.

 

[TurtleDude]

How is Ron Paul crazy?

welfare-socialists think anyone who doesn't buy into the circle of dependency is crazy. Its a common theme among the reactionary statist socialists. Stalinists condemned anyone who didn't buy into that strain of collectivism to mental institutions

 

[Gardener]

How is Ron Paul crazy?

Does this site have the storage capacity necessary to really address the issue properly?

 

[Cold Highway]

Does this site have the storage capacity necessary to really address the issue properly?

I want some actual answers other than the bull**** I get from chickhawk, chicken**** neocons and ****tard liberals.

 

[Deuce]

welfare-socialists think anyone who doesn't buy into the circle of dependency is crazy. Its a common theme among the reactionary statist socialists. Stalinists condemned anyone who didn't buy into that strain of collectivism to mental institutions

What about sane people who realize that the "fair tax" is a massive and regressive sales tax and going back to the gold standard would simply crash our economy so hard we'd be a third world country?

 

[TurtleDude]

What about sane people who realize that the "fair tax" is a massive and regressive sales tax and going back to the gold standard would simply crash our economy so hard we'd be a third world country?

a fair tax prevents the dem masters from buying the votes of the parasites with the money of the minority who pay most of the income taxes

 

[danarhea]

He is also "pro life"-an issue that splits the libertarians

I for example, am part of the pro-choice, libertarian non-religious wing of the GOP. I know plenty of libertarians that are bible thumping right to lifers as well

Actually, the Libertarian spectrum is huge and includes right to lifers, as well as some who are pro-choice, and even anarcho-capitalists have a home in the Libertarian movement. You will actually find it someone difficult to find two Libertarians in the same room that will agree with each other on everything.

Which brings me to the Tea Party movement. What I am seeing at the present time is REAL Tea Partiers taking over, and not the fake Tea Party Express, which has been attempting to hijack the movement. I was harsh on them for a while, but now I am very optimistic that the real McCoy is going to take the party back, and not the fakes. To me, the Tea Partiers are essentially two groups. One group could be called Paleocons, like myself, who want the government out of things that are none of their damn business to begin with. The other group consists of those who want to regulate peoples' lives, in spite of the anti-government rhetoric they pay lip service to. These are the ones I am happy to see kicked to the curb.

Yes, Rand Paul does have some issues that I strongly disagree with, but he also brings to the table some very good common sense. I am happy to see him win, and I think he will be a great Senator.

 

[The Prof]

the MEANING of KENTUCKY is NOT libertarian

it's TEA

this is TODAY, after all

 

[Zyphlin]

From what I've read about Rand, and admittedly its limited thus far, Rand seems to be what I've been saying was needed for Ron Paul for a while...

Namely, Ron Paul's generalized views mixed with some legitimate pragmatism and realism, mixed with a slightly less radical foreign defense policy.

 

[Deuce]

a fair tax prevents the dem masters from buying the votes of the parasites with the money of the minority who pay most of the income taxes

Actually it just bankrupts them and pushes even more people into social assistance programs but by all means, keep dehumanizing poor people if it makes it easier for you.

 

[Kandahar]

How is Ron Paul crazy?

The gold standard is the most obvious (although by no means the only) example.

 

[Cold Highway]

The gold standard is the most obvious (although by no means the only) example.

Details please

 

[Kandahar]

Details please

A gold standard hampers our ability to use the single most effective weapon we have to fight recessions: Monetary policy. The Fed can't change the gold supply, but they can change the money supply as circumstances merit.

Ron Paul's view on the gold standard isn't merely wrong. It's spectacularly wrong. Not many serious economists even suggest the gold standard as a serious policy idea anymore, and for good reason.

 

[Black_Zawisza]

A gold standard hampers our ability to use the single most effective weapon we have to fight recessions: Monetary policy. The Fed can't change the gold supply, but they can change the money supply as circumstances merit.

Ron Paul's view on the gold standard isn't merely wrong. It's spectacularly wrong. Not many serious economists even suggest the gold standard as a serious policy idea anymore, and for good reason.

Absolutely right, Kandahar! Inflate the value of the...

Oh, wait, I almost forgot...

That didn't work out too well for interbellum Germany, did it?

 

[Kandahar]

Absolutely right, Kandahar! Inflate the value of the...

Oh, wait, I almost forgot...

That didn't work out too well for interbellum Germany, did it?

Yeah, because clearly there's no difference between having an inflation rate of a few percent annually in order to fight unemployment, and having an inflation rate of 30,000% per month. :roll:

 

[Black_Zawisza]

Yeah, because clearly there's no difference between having an inflation rate of a few percent annually in order to fight unemployment, and having an inflation rate of 30,000% per month. :roll:

If deflation never occurs, then how is such a situation not inevitable?