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President Nicolas Sarkozy 'threatened to pull France out of euro'

And we are still laughing at the US because your problems are so much bigger than ours.. :2wave:

Oh come now. Own your problems and stop reflecting for a change. Where's Zeebra? Wasn't it America thyat was doomed to the depths of failure? The dollar is bouncing and we are on the upswing. It's a roller coaster ride for now, but eventually our employment numbers will return as our economy improves. America will be finenot only because we are one government and we started fixing earlier than you, but because our of re-defining and persevering culture will ensure it. Wall Street, banks, and even the Defense Industry is being dealt with. Like all internal crisis' America learns and emerges. We are not without imperfections. But the difference is that we are better and stronger for our crisis'.

Europe, however, continues to be spiraling out of control and even a return to normal employment numbers will be too high. Your immigration issues are being met with anti-religious laws that further ignite problems. The great EU is proving that it merely serves to caulk over the cracks of the tribes as they bicker and struggle to find solutions. When America was "bailing out" our banks and car industries, European countries were arguing over what even to do. The longer it bickers of Greece, the longer the international economy is going to take to improve. America has the benefit of being one government made up of like minded people (a mixture of global tribes). The EU does not have this benefit. It's return to normalization will be far tougher than America's.

Although, I am confused on whether or not I should be surprised that it was France that threatened to leave the EU and not Germany. Germany seems to be the strongest in terms of economy so they stand to lose the least by leaving the illusion of strength. But France has a history of turning its back and leaving oranizations that are meant to protect European interests, doesn't it? Although, Germany has had a way of kicking its neighbors in the teeth.

In the end, Europe will figure it out one way or another. Of course, if history is a teacher, Europe doesn't have a good track record for solving its own problems. Europe always seems to drag America in. After dealing with our own, we always seem to have to help you deal with yours. Hell, we even ran to Asia's aid over economic problems in 1998. After dealing with our economic issues, will we really have to help you with Greece, Spain, and others to come? America benefits from a healthy Europe (not so much strong). But take this opportunity to prove that you can do for yourself for a change. Otherwise, America's burden continues doesn't it?
 
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I agree with Mr. Conway's analysis. The IMF report does a good job in highlighting the magnitude of the fiscal challenges facing the developed world, including the United States. The U.S. needs to embark on a credible fiscal consolidation course next year.

It will. When has America ever refused to deal with a crisis? In the end, we will persevere whether we are forced to or choose to.
 
I'm just laughing at all those who tried to stomp all over the US and it's dollar and it's economic domination, when the EU and its Euro came along as the answer to US domination. They hated the US so much that their mouths foamed at the prospect of some new and superior empire in Europe. They thought, "Hey anyone can build an empire...I mean the US did it, right?" It didn't matter that they build their house on sand instead of a real foundation of principals. I hope they get everything that's coming to them.

Time wounds all heels.

I have been blown away at the strength of the Euro over the last years. The countries are populated by the lazy, their social systems extensive and corrupted to the core and the taxpayer overburdened due to bad ideas. They're our poor cousins.

Key word is poor.

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The countries are populated by the lazy.

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their social systems

Yeah sorry, we don't leave our poor to die of the common flu :2wave:

corrupted to the core .

Oh and your country, where every politician is sponsored by (insert big corporation here) is a bastion of corruption free politics.

taxpayer overburdened due to bad ideas.

Like say... the war in Iraq...?
 
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Yeah sorry, we don't leave our poor to die of the common flu :2wave:



Oh and your country, where every politician is sponsored by (insert big corporation here) is a bastion of corruption free politics.



Like say... the war in Iraq...?

Yep, Europe has some fine Phillies, and a more relaxed attitude, but that doesn't mean they're not lazy... they are. Their system breeds it.

As one German lady told me about 20-years ago, "Germans are afraid to work too hard". I know it first hand. The East Euros are a breed apart due to their Commi training, but western Euers pale compared to the US when it comes to productivity.

They get gobs of time off, hell the EU shuts down for a month in the summer... there is no way they can compete. It's why the Swedish study Timbro found the best EU countries would be... at the bottom 5 of US States for standard of living.

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Yeah sorry, we don't leave our poor to die of the common flu :2wave:



Oh and your country, where every politician is sponsored by (insert big corporation here) is a bastion of corruption free politics.



Like say... the war in Iraq...?

Yep, Europe has some fine Phillies, and a more relaxed attitude, but that doesn't mean they're not lazy... they are. Their system breeds it.

As one German lady told me about 20-years ago, "Germans are afraid to work too hard". I know it first hand. The East Euros are a breed apart due to their Commi training, but western Euers pale compared to the US when it comes to productivity.

They get gobs of time off, hell the EU shuts down for a month in the summer... there is no way they can compete. It's why the Swedish study Timbro found the best EU countries would be... at the bottom 5 of US States for standard of living.

Now Bozo wants to do to the US what the EU has done to itself.

http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf

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Notice the woman in front of the fat sow? Why not a picture of her thong? Or does that not suit the BS of your photo?

Europeans are indeed lazy people. This is why they only take to the streets to when it comes to insisting they get more wages while working for less. European social programs ensure a high continued unemployment rate.

Yeah sorry, we don't leave our poor to die of the common flu :2wave:

Um...but Europeans allow thousands and thousands to die of heat, don't they? Over 30,000 of the elderly in one summer alone a few years back, wasn't it? Regardless, European health care is afforded because big brother can afford to take up the international slack. Licking internal World War II wounds throughout a Cold War has afforded them that. But these are the social programs I talk about when it comes to the general feeling that Europeans don't have to earn anything.

And Canada? With America acting as the shield for all of this hemisphere, what can't they afford to selfishly do?


Like say... the war in Iraq...?
I believe he was talking about decades of bad decisions that encourage lazyness and a general attitude that the state owes them for living. Hell, a couple decisions involved the entire world and completely wrecked Europe didn't it? Using temporary Iraq as some sort of overburdening is exaggerated. America always bounces.
 
Surely it has nothing to do with french banks and their greek bonds.

A french president defending french interest, well I never.....

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Surely it has nothing to do with french banks and their greek bonds.

A french president defending french interest, well I never.....

:yawn:

French interests have always come at the expense of the rest of the continent. I thought there was a reason and purpose behind this EU thing. It's a good idea until one decides that going it alone is better? This is like believing in Democracy, but refusing to play if your guy doesn't get elected.

I guess the French just want their ball back.
 
Yep, Europe has some fine Phillies, and a more relaxed attitude, but that doesn't mean they're not lazy... they are. Their system breeds it.

As one German lady told me about 20-years ago, "Germans are afraid to work too hard". I know it first hand. The East Euros are a breed apart due to their Commi training, but western Euers pale compared to the US when it comes to productivity.

They get gobs of time off, hell the EU shuts down for a month in the summer... there is no way they can compete. It's why the Swedish study Timbro found the best EU countries would be... at the bottom 5 of US States for standard of living.

Now Bozo wants to do to the US what the EU has done to itself.

http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf

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So um, howecome the GDP per Capita is higher in 10 European countries according to

IMF

1 Luxembourg 104,512
2 Norway 79,085
3 Qatar 68,872
4 Switzerland 67,560
5 Denmark 56,115
6 Ireland 51,356
7 Netherlands 48,223
8 United Arab Emirates 46,857
9 United States 46,381
10 Austria 45,989


World Bank

1 Luxembourg 111,240
2 Norway 94,353
3 Switzerland 64,015
4 Ireland 63,185
5 Denmark 62,332
6 Iceland 52,557
7 Netherlands 52,321
8 Sweden 52,057
9 Finland 51,062
10 Austria 49,900
11 Australia 47,498
12 United States 46,716


CIA World Factboook

1 Liechtenstein 134,400
2 Qatar 112,400
3 Luxembourg 95,700
4 Norway 80,100
5 Switzerland 64,400
6 Denmark 56,700
7 Ireland 54,600
8 United Arab Emirates 48,200
9 Netherlands 47,800
10 United States 47,000

And don't tell me "The government gives them that cause they're lazy"

I knew alot of people in Welfare in England and it ain't all that, you think people just sit around and get everything given to them in a socialist utopia? cause that is a load of crap, HAVING to live on welfare is a hard life that believe me, no one strives for.
 
for what it's worth, norway and switzerland are not eu members
 
Besides, the EU average doesn't come close to the US.

GDP using US Dollars

IMF

— European Union 16,447,259 (Cannot be #1 technically cause it's not a country
1 United States 14,256,275
2 Japan 5,068,059
3 People's Republic of China 4,908,982

World Bank

1 United States 14,204,322
— Eurozone 13,565,479
2 Japan 4,909,272

CIA World Factbook

— European Union 16,180,000
1 United States 14,430,000
2 Japan 5,108,000
 
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makes it all the more catastrophic that they're collapsing and coming apart
 
GDP using US Dollars

IMF

— European Union 16,447,259 (Cannot be #1 technically cause it's not a country
1 United States 14,256,275
2 Japan 5,068,059
3 People's Republic of China 4,908,982

World Bank

1 United States 14,204,322
— Eurozone 13,565,479
2 Japan 4,909,272

CIA World Factbook

— European Union 16,180,000
1 United States 14,430,000
2 Japan 5,108,000

Now per capita.....
 
Uh-huh (I'm skeptical). I would have definitely agreed with you, even, last month. Perhaps, even, three weeks ago. But after Greece and looking at the upside down rates on Spanish, Portuguese (+other selection of European countries) bonds I'll say that for the short-run, at least, you're problems are bigger.

When (not if) California goes bankrupt, or if some other state follows; I'll be happy to admit that the United States is having more troubles then Europe. Yet, for now, one can't be honest and say the EU is having a gigantic daisy-chain circle compared to the US.

I disagree with you about California. While it's a bigger part of the US economy than Greece is of the EU economy, a Californian bankruptcy would not be nearly as economically harmful as a Greek bankruptcy.

If California (or any other state) goes bankrupt, the federal government will continue to send out social security, medicare, and unemployment benefits. The EU does not have a strong federal government in the same way that the United States does, which means that any problems in the Euro zone are likely to fester and spread.
 
And we are still laughing at the US because your problems are so much bigger than ours.. :2wave:

Mine isn't really a problem, Pete, as I just tuck it down the side of my pants.

But I get your drift.
 
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