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Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

cholla said:
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Do you know a lot of illegals that do or don't drive, or maybe a link to this information?
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I tried to find a statistic, but came up empty. I know a lot of illegal Mexicans. Usually, only the crew supervisors drive because an illegal can't get a driver's license without proof of citizenship. The fake documents required to get a license are too expensive for most illegals.
 
Metripod67 said:
Dude, you have to carry an ID on you AT ALL TIMES. It has been this way for many many years. You have never been free to "not carry papers" in this country. Is this why people have such a hard time understanding this law? You don't even know current law that has been law before you were born.
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Are you just guessing? Go ahead and prove that I always have to carry an ID when I'm out walking. I think that as drivers we always have to have our licenses with us. Since we drive everywhere every day, we always have an ID. That makes people think that there's an ID law, when there isn't one on the books if you aren't driving anywhere. You'll notice, if you've ever been pulled over while having passengers in your vehicle, that the Police don't ask your passengers for an ID.
 
Mickey Shane said:
You'll notice, if you've ever been pulled over while having passengers in your vehicle, that the Police don't ask your passengers for an ID.
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Depends completely on the reason for being pulled over....a simple traffic infraction...usually, no.

If a car full of thugs are pulled over because they are suspected of committing a crime, ID will be demanded from all in the vehicle.
 
TBone said:
Non issue? Phoenix was not choosen over Tampa Bay for non immigration issues wink wink. You can spin it all you want, the decision gives the appearance of it being moved for the immigration reason. Secondly, the GOP running up and down the street in AZ will cast a bad light on the GOP, and they don't want to turn off latino GOP, etc., so they are not having it here.
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There you go again, being moved... Nothing is being moved. You are doing the spinning, not me. How can you move something that had never been assigned in the first place.

Judge Napolitano: Ariz. Immigration law will ?bankrupt the Republican Party? | Ron Paul 2012 | Campaign for Liberty at the Daily Paul.
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You think I care what a talking head has to say?

Hey if the law is so great, why aren't all the other Red states jumping on the band wagon to pass similar laws? Second thoughts. Boycotts scaring red states?
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Legislative process takes time. I think it is smart to see how this one works before jumping on the bandwagon. Besides, the only other red state on the border is Texas.

Arizona has been involved in this crap before the the MLK holiday. We lost a lot of money because of boycotts, and the moderates and liberals got off there asses and voted for the holiday.
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People are sheep -- especially liberals. New Hampshire dealt with it for many years too despite the fact that the day 48 other states designated as MLK Day was designated as Civil Rights Day in New Hampshire -- a FAR MORE inclusive holiday. Fortunately, NH is not as much at the mercy of boycotts because it is not a convention hub and individual tourists kept coming to the state.

The law will be overturned, the US Constitution states Congress makes laws concerning naturalization, not AZ (To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, Article 1 Section 8).
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This is not a law about naturalization -- this is a law about following the rules about being in the country legally and providing law enforcement guidelines to enforce EXISTING LAWS!!!
 
Mickey Shane said:
Are you just guessing? Go ahead and prove that I always have to carry an ID when I'm out walking. I think that as drivers we always have to have our licenses with us. Since we drive everywhere every day, we always have an ID. That makes people think that there's an ID law, when there isn't one on the books if you aren't driving anywhere. You'll notice, if you've ever been pulled over while having passengers in your vehicle, that the Police don't ask your passengers for an ID.
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I may be wrong, but I believe he was referring to resident and non-resident aliens.
 
Mickey Shane said:
Are you just guessing? Go ahead and prove that I always have to carry an ID when I'm out walking. I think that as drivers we always have to have our licenses with us. Since we drive everywhere every day, we always have an ID. That makes people think that there's an ID law, when there isn't one on the books if you aren't driving anywhere. You'll notice, if you've ever been pulled over while having passengers in your vehicle, that the Police don't ask your passengers for an ID.
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I know this to be a fact. And yes, I have seen the police ask many times for ID from a passenger.
 
You don't need to carry an ID with you all the time. If you are an immigrant you do. If you are driving then you need it while driving. But just walking down the street, you don't need it. Don't commit a crime and you won't need it. Commit a crime and don't have your ID on you? They'll try to figure out who you are there.
 
phattonez said:
But just walking down the street, you don't need it. Don't commit a crime and you won't need it.
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Yeah, that sounds great except our law doesn't recognize that a person has committed a crime until they have been tried and convicted. You might have heard the phrase "innocent until proven guilty?"
 
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Metripod67 said:
I know this to be a fact. And yes, I have seen the police ask many times for ID from a passenger.
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OK. Please point out to me where it says I must carry an ID.

TX Penal Code: Sec. 38.02. Failure to Identify.

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.

(b) A person commits an offense if he intentionally gives a false or fictitious name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has:

(1) lawfully arrested the person;

(2) lawfully detained the person; or

(3) requested the information from a person that the peace officer has good cause to believe is a witness to a criminal offense.

(c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

(d) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this section that the defendant was a fugitive from justice at the time of the offense, the offense is a Class B misdemeanor.
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Metripod67 said:
any US citizen over the age of 18.
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That is NOT true... I don't live in the US, but I don't know of any law that requires me to carry an ID with me at all times... Even in Taiwan, which does not have the level of civil liberties that the US has, citizens do not need to carry ID with them at all times.... anymore...
 
Guy Incognito said:
Yeah, that sounds great except our law doesn't recognize that a person has committed a crime until they have been tried and convicted. You might have heard the phrase "innocent until proven guilty?"
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If you're walking out of a store with a tv and there are people chasing after you, that might just be what the constitution calls "probable cause."
 
phattonez said:
If you're walking out of a store with a tv and there are people chasing after you, that might just be what the constitution calls "probable cause."
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Being suspected of committing a crime is a bit different than actually being guilty of one, isn't it?
 
Mickey Shane said:
I tried to find a statistic, but came up empty. I know a lot of illegal Mexicans. Usually, only the crew supervisors drive because an illegal can't get a driver's license without proof of citizenship. The fake documents required to get a license are too expensive for most illegals.
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So, when you say that "most illegals do not drive" you are just making it up?
 
Erod said:
Ever been to Mexico City?

It's EXACTLY like Los Angeles.

Just sayin.
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Yeah ... well ... except for the fact that fewer police officers are on the drug lord's payroll in Los Angeles ... yeah that is probably true.
 
SgtRock said:
Los Angeles moral values such as disregarding laws, supporting criminal activity, and being a sanctuary city to thousands of people who disregard our laws and commit perjury by using fake or stolen SSN. Are you proud of the third worldification of your city? Los Angeles is a cesspool of criime, gangs, filth and disease. Its a shame that this once great city is now a third world dump.

To hell with LA

Boycott the ****hole known as Los Angeles
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I agree with you about Los Angeles; however, Texas will never be allowed to leave the union.

Sorry dude.

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(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.


This law is only applicable to persons who have been arrested. Otherwise, it has no effect.
 
Questions for the Los Angeles City Council:

What can any Arizona law enforcement official do under the Arizona immigration law that a federal law enforcement official cannot already do?

What requirement does the Arizona law place on any non-citizen living in Arizona that federal law does already not place on any non-citizen living elsewhere in the United States?



THE ODD OPPOSITION TO THE ARIZONA IMMIGRATION LAW - Nealz Nuze on boortz.com
 
Guy Incognito said:
Being suspected of committing a crime is a bit different than actually being guilty of one, isn't it?
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It's not the same. This law would mostly come into effect during traffic stops, jaywalking, stuff like that. In these cases, there really isnt' much doubt about guilt. And besides, althroughout the history of this country, you've needed to be identified when ticketed or arrested. Checking to see if you are a resident of this country is just a part of identifying yourself.
 
Los Angeles: Senseless Childness

First of all, the Law that was passed in Arizona was to promote
a LAW that had been there since but not upheld in manner. This
Law is not Racial Profiling, for those of you who jump to conclusions
without thinking it through, it is Profiling. Meaning the right for
visual contact in case of suspicion or to in order to protect the
welfare of an number taking correct precaution.

To make this simpler, Cops, who have been eligable for this since,
have the right to check your documents of identity if you are an
immigrant to do their job much more responsibly. If you as the
immigrant commit wrongful doing then as punishment you become
deported. This in effect should decrease at least 10% of crime or
more in Arizona. This should be regulated in every other state
especially Los Angelos.

Racism is being involved now because of those who are liable
of these crimes are now defending the Liberal media and Politicians.
L.A is acting childish because L.A can't hardly control it's crime rate.
The reason they are "boycotting" is the fear of it coming to them
second it would end the continuation of their drug dealing business
and set discipline to a society that needs it.

What has happened to the generation's now? Our society has disgracen
our Forefather's that in their graves they turn to this unleashed senseless
monster that hiddenly grows. We have done much more than shame, we
have destroyed the very moral we Founded on when we agreed to pursue
injustice from justice in a society of need.
 
SgtRock said:
Los Angeles moral values such as disregarding laws, supporting criminal activity, and being a sanctuary city to thousands of people who disregard our laws and commit perjury by using fake or stolen SSN. Are you proud of the third worldification of your city? Los Angeles is a cesspool of criime, gangs, filth and disease. Its a shame that this once great city is now a third world dump.

To hell with LA

Boycott the ****hole known as Los Angeles
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Just out of curiosity, what utopian paradise do you live in?
 
hazlnut said:
Just out of curiosity, what utopian paradise do you live in?
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As the insidious tentacles of federal government expand, and individual state rights and governments are minimized and marginalized, the freedom to seek ones personal "utopian paradise" will soon be moot.

No escape....
 
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