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Los Angeles to boycott Arizona over immigration law

Something about the rankings doesn't sit very well with me.

#1 Indian Wells, Arizona
* American Indian (97.9%)
* Hispanic (1.3%)
* White Non-Hispanic (1.2%)
* Two or more races (0.7%)

It's ranked as the most diverse city in the United States, but it is composed of 97.9% American Indian. I don't consider that to be very diverse.

The name for the rankings should be renamed as "Lowest percentage of white people."
 
Uh....half the cities on your list are LA. You obviously don't understand the Los Angeles area to make such an ignorant statement. :doh

Even your own statistics that you just posted contradict what you are claiming. sorry.

You obviously don't know Los Angeles......

Still waiting.

Please point out Los Angeles on the list?

Here is the link...

Top 100 Most Racially Diverse Cities (pop. 5,000+)

Either put up some evidence or quit being obtuse and lying. Pretty simple.
 
Something about the rankings doesn't sit very well with me.

#1 Indian Wells, Arizona
* American Indian (97.9%)
* Hispanic (1.3%)
* White Non-Hispanic (1.2%)
* Two or more races (0.7%)

It's ranked as the most diverse city in the United States, but it is composed of 97.9% American Indian. I don't consider that to be very diverse.

The name for the rankings should be renamed as "Lowest percentage of white people."

Because Native Americans are minority's.

All the stats are minority's and whites. So it is whites compared to minority's only.
 
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Shouldn't we boycott LA for LAPD officers for beating Rodney King or for freeing OJ? (tongue in cheek)

Boycotting AZ ain't going to change anything.
 
Still waiting.

Please point out Los Angeles on the list?

Here is the link...

Top 100 Most Racially Diverse Cities (pop. 5,000+)

Either put up some evidence or quit being obtuse and lying. Pretty simple.

You need to educate yourself on LA before you make such ignorant statements.
Do you have any clue at all of the Geographic area of LA?...

I'll give you a clue...it runs from Diamond Bar through Alhambra....Signal Hill/Long Beach to the South...:doh

Nice try though...
 
Something about the rankings doesn't sit very well with me.

#1 Indian Wells, Arizona
* American Indian (97.9%)
* Hispanic (1.3%)
* White Non-Hispanic (1.2%)
* Two or more races (0.7%)

It's ranked as the most diverse city in the United States, but it is composed of 97.9% American Indian. I don't consider that to be very diverse.

The name for the rankings should be renamed as "Lowest percentage of white people."

LOL....exactly. That list doesn't show the criteria it uses...and when you look at the majority of the cities they are not exactly "diverse". They might be substantial minority populations (such as the Hawaii cities)....but when 97% are of the same minority...its not exactly diversity.
 
Still waiting.

Please point out Los Angeles on the list?

Here is the link...

Top 100 Most Racially Diverse Cities (pop. 5,000+)

Either put up some evidence or quit being obtuse and lying. Pretty simple.

You need to educate yourself on LA before you make such ignorant statements.
Do you have any clue at all of the Geographic area of LA?...

I'll give you a clue...it runs from Diamond Bar through Alhambra....Signal Hill/Long Beach to the South...:doh

Nice try though...

I do actually, and it does not change the fact that Chicago is more diverse than LA.

I am calling you out on your bull****. So far you have offered nothing but lip service. That will not cut it.

So unless you have some evidence I will consider you done.

PS don't even try and say you were talking about LA County. We were not talking about county's otherwise I could include Cook County.
 
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I do actually, and it does not change the fact that Chicago is more diverse than LA.

I am calling you out on your bull****. So far you have offered nothing but lip service. That will not cut it.

So unless you have some evidence I will consider you done.

PS don't even try and say you were talking about LA County. We were not talking about county's otherwise I could include Cook County.

Actually the City of Los Angeles does extend that far, however it is irregular shaped, which exaggerates the size.

Mapping L.A. - Los Angeles Times

Personallly, I haven't been to Chicago so I can't say anything about diversity. But I think Honolulu has both towns beat :)
 
GOP Convention decided to use Tampa Bay instead of Phoenix Tampa wins GOP nod to host 2012 convention - The Boston Globe

Why? Even if their decision was not based on the AZ bashing, it looks like they moved to avoid the issue. They claim they moved it to Florida because it is a swing state. Didn't the GOP have it in NYC in 2004. Isn't NYC a Dem strong hold, not a swing state?

I don't know, hmmmm?

They had it in NY because of 9/11 and because Bloomberg bankrolled it.

I think you're reading far too much into the decision not to have the convention in AZ. Again, a majority of people nationwide support the AZ law, including a large majority of Republicans.
 
The reason I, a former illegal alien, have a problem with this law is because it is unnecessary . Why cant Arizona use existing federal law to do the same thing they are doing now? Why have the same law twice. Why alienate 99% of the hispanic population and many of our african-american and caucasian friends for a bull**** law. Instead repeal this piece of **** law and work within existing law or better yet comprehensive immigration reform and border security. No, Arizona, this is not the way to do it.
 
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The reason I, a former illegal alien, have a problem with this law is because it is unnecessary . Why cant Arizona use existing federal law to do the same thing they are doing now? Why have the same law twice. Why alienate 99% of the hispanic population and many of our african-american and caucasian friends for a bull**** law. Instead repeal this piece of **** law and work within existing law or better yet comprehensive immigration reform and border security. No, Arizona, this is not the way to do it.

If the law does nothing new, then neither you nor anyone else should be complaining. If it does expand the state's authority, then there's a reason for the law.
 
If the law does nothing new, then neither you nor anyone else should be complaining. If it does expand the state's authority, then there's a reason for the law.

I am complaining because I feel it violates my 4th and 14th amendment rights and possibly my 5th if I am forced to answer any questions. And No Sir, there is no reason for this law. There are already laws that would allow an officer to question suspected illegal aliens. This law expands the police's authority too much and makes government bigger.
 
I am complaining because I feel it violates my 4th and 14th amendment rights and possibly my 5th if I am forced to answer any questions. And No Sir, there is no reason for this law. There are already laws that would allow an officer to question suspected illegal aliens. This law expands the police's authority too much and makes government bigger.

Oh, don't get them wrong...So-called "conservatives" LOVE expanding government when it doesn't infringe upon THEIR rights.

As long as it infringes upon the rights of women and minorities, they're fine with it.
 
The reason I, a former illegal alien, have a problem with this law is because it is unnecessary . Why cant Arizona use existing federal law to do the same thing they are doing now? Why have the same law twice. Why alienate 99% of the hispanic population and many of our african-american and caucasian friends for a bull**** law. Instead repeal this piece of **** law and work within existing law or better yet comprehensive immigration reform and border security. No, Arizona, this is not the way to do it.

You realize how stupid that sounds? The FED isnt enforcing FED law requiring investigation and ultimately deportation of illegal immigrnats...but the state SHOULDNT...instead the state should enforce federal law which does what the new state law says it does...and THEN it wouldnt be racist...

INS investigating illegals and detaining/deporting...NOT racist or biased.
AZ officers investigating illegals and detaining/deporting (because the fed hasnt and/or wont)...that IS racist...

why again??? Oh yeah...because they are actually working to RESOLVE a problem the fed has abandoned.
 
I am complaining because I feel it violates my 4th and 14th amendment rights and possibly my 5th if I am forced to answer any questions. And No Sir, there is no reason for this law. There are already laws that would allow an officer to question suspected illegal aliens. This law expands the police's authority too much and makes government bigger.

Really? If you commit a criminal act you are saying there is some constitutional proitection preventing a cop from askingn to see your ID? So, is it a violation of your consitutional protections to produce a drivers license when driving? An ID card when cashing a check or using a credit card? Or when travelling? And if it is the fed (INS) asking the question you wouldnt still be required to produce ID?
 
Illegals have a $1bn yearly impact on Arizona. Let's see what it does to Arizona's slow growing, recession hit economy.
 
Oh, don't get them wrong...So-called "conservatives" LOVE expanding government when it doesn't infringe upon THEIR rights.

As long as it infringes upon the rights of women and minorities, they're fine with it.

Living in a state with an estimated 400 to 600 thousand illegal immigrants with over 1000 new arriving every day sort of mandates enforcement of those existing laws...wouldnt you say? So if it was the fed enforcing the existing law, you would have no problem with that...right? Truth be told...the citizens of Az would probably greatly agree.
 
Really? If you commit a criminal act you are saying there is some constitutional proitection preventing a cop from askingn to see your ID? So, is it a violation of your consitutional protections to produce a drivers license when driving? An ID card when cashing a check or using a credit card? Or when travelling? And if it is the fed (INS) asking the question you wouldnt still be required to produce ID?

He is talking about Article 8, section B of the SB1070 (the immigration bill) that states:

A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

Fourth Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
I am complaining because I feel it violates my 4th and 14th amendment rights and possibly my 5th if I am forced to answer any questions. And No Sir, there is no reason for this law. There are already laws that would allow an officer to question suspected illegal aliens. This law expands the police's authority too much and makes government bigger.

Think about what you're saying here:

1) The law is completely unconstitutional because it violates my rights by giving the police all sorts of powers they didn't have before

and

2) The law is completely pointless because the police could already do this before.
 
He is talking about Article 8, section B of the SB1070 (the immigration bill) that states:



Fourth Amendment:

Unless the searches involved in these stops are unreasonable, there's no need for a warrant. Furthermore, you don't need a warrant to arrest people in all cases.
 
He is talking about Article 8, section B of the SB1070 (the immigration bill) that states:



Fourth Amendment:



why are there even borders if you believe this?


j-mac
 
Unless the searches involved in these stops are unreasonable, there's no need for a warrant. Furthermore, you don't need a warrant to arrest people in all cases.

I agree, but it is this part of the bill (that I quoted) that I am more concerned about:

... IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

I see no possible way this can be enforced without employing racial profiling.
 
why are there even borders if you believe this?


j-mac

Let's see... I believe I quoted part of the Arizona immigration bill. Then I quoted the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution.

I'm trying to find out what you got from that to make you take such a giant leap to go on about borders.
 
I agree, but it is this part of the bill (that I quoted) that I am more concerned about:



I see no possible way this can be enforced without employing racial profiling.

Here's the argument for it:

Arizona Lawmaker Explains Anti-Illegal Immigrant Law - The Two-Way - Breaking News, Analysis Blog : NPR

Police officers can't stop anybody and say "Are you here legally?" and question them about their immigration status. Under this law the police officer must have reasonable suspicion to believe the person's here illegally. And this will almost always only occur after the person has been lawfully stopped for some other offense, maybe it could be a traffic offense.

So a police officer pulls over somebody who maybe rolls through a stop sign, walks up and says "License and registration."

The individual says "Well, I don't have a driver's license on me."

The officer says "Well, why not?"

Driver says: "It's suspended."

"Well what's your name and date of birth?"

Gives it. The officer goes to his radio. Checks the records because you can cross check licensing information. Discovers there is no such issued license. Goes back to the driver.

"Hey, there's no license issued in your name. What do you mean suspended?"

"Oh, ahh, well, uhh I don't have an Arizona license. It's a Mexican license, I came from there."

"Oh. When did you come? How'd you get here legally? Where'd you go to get the form? Did they give you paperwork? Do you have documents? Oh. you have a green card. What color is that card? Green? Well, you know green cards aren't green."

That's how you build up reasonable suspicion. Police officers, when there are independent observable facts that just create suspicion, all that allows us is a brief questioning about immigration status.

During the questioning, the police officer is going to look for lies, conflicting answers or he may look for evasive answers. And as the person gives those and as he observes other things, each response is another grain of sand. And it goes on a scale.

And the stop occurred because there was reasonable suspicion.
 
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