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Thieves Steal Mojave Desert Memorial Cross in Nighttime Heist

TheNextEra said:
What message? That if you steal a cross you die?

I'm personally glad you are in no position of power to make anything like that possible.
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That if you steal a religious war memorial to satisfy your political agenda you die horribly. The good news is that I don't have to be in a position of authority.
 
So stealing a cross somehow is giving this guy a death sentence to some of the Christians?


And also how do we even know it was politically motivated? It could also be some kids doing a prank, and I am not saying it wasn't politically motivated I am just pointing that out.


I disagreed with the supreme court on this thought I do not approve of what these crepes did in the first place. They broke the law, and I do think they deserve punishment, but the death penalty is going a Little bit too far, and basically going against the bill of rights.
 
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reefedjib said:
That if you steal a religious war memorial to satisfy your political agenda you die horribly. The good news is that I don't have to be in a position of authority.
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Again, I'm glad the people in power do not think like you and you are stuck with just making ridiculous statements that have no basis in the real world.
 
Ikari said:
It's not violent unless there is other people there whom are threatened. And then it's called robbery.
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Or if it's a burglary which involves the actual violent breaking and entering process. Violence doesn't just denote physical violence. And no folks I am not talking politically correctly like "emotional violence" etc.
 
Orion said:
Why punish them "severely"? Only a theft was committed. Just because you have some special attachment to a controversial object does not mean that the criminals who stole it are entitled to more time than any other theft would get.
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I have a special attachment to the justice system and the rule of law. It isn't about the cross; it's about the total disregard for our legal system.
 
jallman said:
I have a special attachment to the justice system and the rule of law. It isn't about the cross; it's about the total disregard for our legal system.
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Couldn't the same be said of every crime?

What makes this particular crime so special? I hope they catch the thieves and punish them in the usual manner. Giving "special treatment" to thieves only validates their stupid little protest as being somehow SPECIAL.
 
jallman said:
I have a special attachment to the justice system and the rule of law. It isn't about the cross; it's about the total disregard for our legal system.
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Exactly. Pretty much sums it up. Thank you.

The Supreme Court ruled, the cross is now on private land (which I believe is what the ACLU is now questioning - whether the land deal was legal).

Really, who didn't see this coming-the cross being stolen/desecrated?
When people take it upon themselves to stomp all over a legal decision, we have a lawless society. The reason the cross was stolen doesn't matter.
It's the act in of itself that matters. Whatever the reason, the fact remains that some clowns took it upon themselves to decide what should and shouldn't be in a legal decision that had nothing to do with them except their lack of control, maturity, and respect.


As far as "hate" crimes, crime is crime. Theft is theft, murder is murder, etc.
Attaching special "conditions" diminishes the victims/survivors who are not victims of "hate" crimes. Just when does murder, e.g., become elevated to a "hate" crime and thus more horrendous than a murder where no "hate" condition is attached?

All this special interest/protection is ridiculous. Tell it to the parents who have had their children murdered but the crime is less serious because what - the children were heterosexual e.g.?
 
Deuce said:
Couldn't the same be said of every crime?
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No, some crimes are committed by mistake. Like speeding or unintentionally running a red light.

What makes this particular crime so special?
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Nothing, yet. However, if it is discovered that this crime was committed because someone got butthurt over losing a court case, it deserves special treatment due to the contempt for the courts and the craven indifference to the rule of law.

I hope they catch the thieves and punish them in the usual manner. Giving "special treatment" to thieves only validates their stupid little protest as being somehow SPECIAL.
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I prefer to see it as a validation of the courts when they are caught and get a contempt of court charge slapped on with it.
 
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Why are people objecting to capital punishment for thievery?
 
Capital punishment for Thievery is going against the bill of rights. Which states no Cruel and unusual punishment. Killing someone for Thievery is cruel and unusual punishment.
 
reefedjib said:
Why are people objecting to capital punishment for thievery?
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Why stop there? Shouldn't a DUI results in capital punishment before thievery? A DUI could result in the death of an innocent victin much more than theft.
But don't stop at DUI , lets make speeding or reckless driving punishable by capital punishment.
Allow a state trooper to shoot at point blank for speeding over 5 miles an hour right there on the interstate. You will see a drastic reduction in hiway fatalities.
These may seem harsh but look at the safe society under the Taliban.
I am with you.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Capital punishment for Thievery is going against the bill of rights. Which states no Cruel and unusual punishment. Killing someone for Thievery is cruel and unusual punishment.
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Is it? Are there legal decisions supporting this?
 
Crosscheck said:
Why stop there? Shouldn't a DUI results in capital punishment before thievery? A DUI could result in the death of an innocent victin much more than theft.
But don't stop at DUI , lets make speeding or reckless driving punishable by capital punishment.
Allow a state trooper to shoot at point blank for speeding over 5 miles an hour right there on the interstate. You will see a drastic reduction in hiway fatalities.
These may seem harsh but look at the safe society under the Taliban.
I am with you.
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No, since DUI doesn't harm person or property. Funny though!
 
reefedjib said:
Is it? Are there legal decisions supporting this?
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Don't you get it. Capital PUNISHMENT for Thieves goes against the EIGHT AMENDMENT, because it would be considered unusual punishment for a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor"]misdemeanor [/ame] or felony. This would be a misdemeanor crime at best, because nothing above $400.00 were stolen.
 
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Crosscheck said:
Why stop there? Shouldn't a DUI results in capital punishment before thievery? A DUI could result in the death of an innocent victin much more than theft.
But don't stop at DUI , lets make speeding or reckless driving punishable by capital punishment.
Allow a state trooper to shoot at point blank for speeding over 5 miles an hour right there on the interstate. You will see a drastic reduction in hiway fatalities.
These may seem harsh but look at the safe society under the Taliban.
I am with you.
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Absolutely not...... think organ donor. :mrgreen:
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Yes it can hurt a human, or property. The dui can hit a person on the side of the road, or drive in too your house.
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It can so there is risk, but it did not in fact do those things as they were pulled over intoxicated. There was no harm done to person or property.
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
Don't you get it. Capital PUNISHMENT for Thieves goes against the EIGHT AMENDMENT, because it would be considered unusual punishment for a misdemeanor or felony. This would be a misdemeanor crime at best, because nothing above $400.00 were stolen.
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Relax. Just getting into the details here.

According to Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Furman v. Georgia, 408 U.S. 238 (1972), Justice Brennan wrote, "There are, then, four principles by which we may determine whether a particular punishment is 'cruel and unusual'."

  • The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
  • "A severe punishment that is obviously inflicted in wholly arbitrary fashion."
  • "A severe punishment that is clearly and totally rejected throughout society."
  • "A severe punishment that is patently unnecessary."

Continuing, he wrote that he expected that no state would pass a law obviously violating any one of these principles, so court decisions regarding the Eighth Amendment would involve a "cumulative" analysis of the implication of each of the four principles.
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It goes on to say:

Punishments forbidden regardless of the crime
In Wilkerson v. Utah, 99 U.S. 130 (1878), the Supreme Court commented that drawing and quartering, public dissecting, burning alive, or disemboweling would constitute cruel and unusual punishment regardless of the crime.
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So I need to retract my drawing and quartering aspect of my punishment...

Furthermore:

In Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584 (1977), the Court declared that the death penalty was unconstitutionally excessive for rape of a woman and, by implication, for any crime where a death does not occur. The majority in Coker stated that "rape by definition does not include the death of or even the serious injury to another person."
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So there goes my capital punishment. I assume the head on a pike was out of bounds as well.

Ho hum, we coulda really stuck it to the criminals and cleared up some space in prison. :roll:
 
digsbe said:
We don't know if these thieves were militant atheists or just teenagers wanting to pull a prank, so we can't say it was a group action until we arrest and find those who have done this guilty in court. It is sickening that this happened. Not only was this theft, but it was also desecration of a war memorial.
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I doubt very much this was teenagers.

This cross was 7 feet tall 3 inch heavy pipe on top of a large chunk of rock bolted together in a heavy concrete footer. Not to mention it was 70 miles south of Las Vegas and 200 miles northeast of Los Angeles ie the middle of the desert. I dont know of any teenager(s) that would go to that much trouble for a prank.

And this was 2 weeks after the decision that it could stay.

Lets be honest enough to know who is by far most likely to have done this. If this was an abortion clinic defaced 2 weeks after abortions were allowed in a court decision no one would think Planned Parenthood was responsible.

This was far left hate filled atheists who could care less about the law or the fact they lost so they decided to hurt people who value the cross by taking it.
 
Orion said:
Why punish them "severely"? Only a theft was committed. Just because you have some special attachment to a controversial object does not mean that the criminals who stole it are entitled to more time than any other theft would get.
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You're right. Anyone who wants this to mean more than a simple theft obviously supports hate crimes legislation.

Because that's what they're arguing for.

Either this was simple theft or it was a hate crime. If you argue that they should be punished more because of the symbolism of the act, then you believe that hate crimes legislation should be legal.

Right?
 
texmaster said:
I doubt very much this was teenagers.

This cross was 7 feet tall 3 inch heavy pipe on top of a large chunk of rock bolted together in a heavy concrete footer. Not to mention it was 70 miles south of Las Vegas and 200 miles northeast of Los Angeles ie the middle of the desert. I dont know of any teenager(s) that would go to that much trouble for a prank.

And this was 2 weeks after the decision that it could stay.

Lets be honest enough to know who is by far most likely to have done this. If this was an abortion clinic defaced 2 weeks after abortions were allowed in a court decision no one would think Planned Parenthood was responsible.

This was far left hate filled atheists who could care less about the law or the fact they lost so they decided to hurt people who value the cross by taking it.
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Wow, Obama must had alot of time on his hands.
 
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I aee this as another indication of the problems Obama has brought to our Nation. He has caused the left to be emboldened in their radical views and actions. Rather being a uniting force all he has done is to create a greater divide because of his Socialist/Marxist policies.

He is such an amateur at at everything he does he causes trouble every time we turn around, and it will end only when he is gone from power which can't happen too soon.

We have to stay focused on the Nov. elections and stick to the truth and the facts and make sure that Conservative views rule the day to shut Obama style radicalism down or he will continue to attack your freedoms ans erode you rights.
 
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