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Ga. Seniors Told They Can't Pray Before Meals

I could care less about Jesus' view on prayer. I'm just not bothered by a group of old people praying aloud for twenty seconds.



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You and all these "Christians" clamoring for public prayer by the looks of it.

BTW -- the correct term is COULDN'T care less. If you could care less, you quite obviously do care, and I don't think you intended that.
 
You and all these "Christians" clamoring for public prayer by the looks of it.

Ah, you're implying they are not Christians because they practice their religion differently than you do; how tolerant of you, Mr. Liberal.

You're also engaging in hyperbolic misrepresentation by characterizing their gentle criticisms as "clamoring for public prayer".

Anyway, there is nothing unconstitutional about this group prayer. I defy you or anyone else to prove otherwise.

BTW -- the correct term is COULDN'T care less. If you could care less, you quite obviously do care, and I don't think you intended that.

I stand corrected.
 
Are you so unaware of Jesus' actual teachings that you think a public spectacle is necessary in order to pray?

Matthew 18:20 said:
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

The exhortation was against public prayer FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE of looking pious when in fact you are not.
 
The exhortation was against public prayer FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE of looking pious when in fact you are not.

Silence, false Christian! Only my interpretation of the Bible is the correct one!
 
The exhortation was against public prayer FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE of looking pious when in fact you are not.

Reason has prevailed:

“Senior Citizens, Inc. has always prided itself on the services it has been able to provide the seniors of the low country,” it said in a statement. “Part of that service is an adherence to Federal and State regulations that have made funding possible so more seniors can be served.

“Over our years of service, we have been instructed, as recently as two weeks ago, by the state regulatory agency that verbal prayer was not allowed at any senior center. We are so pleased to say that we have been contacted a few minutes ago by the new Director of Aging clarifying the regulation and reversing the position of new verbal prayer.

“As an organization, we feel that spirituality is an important and necessary part of a full life and we are thankful that this interpretation of the regulation makes prayer possible in all of its forms.”

For those whose panties got into a wad over this, do you also favor banning priests from visiting dying patients on medicare?? What about banning chaplains from the military?? I know.... let's tar and feather Obama the next time he ends a speech with "May God bless America"....

I am not a religious person, but people that get all excited about banning other people's beliefs and religious practices are worse than a religious zealot standing on a street corner preaching to everyone that walks by. Both are trying to push their beliefs onto others.
 
Silence, false Christian! Only my interpretation of the Bible is the correct one!

Or maybe every interpretation is wrong because the Bible is simply a book some dude put together in the second century.
 
Or maybe every interpretation is wrong because the Bible is simply a book some dude put together in the second century.

Like I said, it doesn't really matter to me which interpretation is the "correct" one. I'm an agnostic, but, unlike the unthinking leftist mob, I don't feel obligated to attack religiosity at every opportunity.
 
Like I said, it doesn't really matter to me which interpretation is the "correct" one. I'm an agnostic, but, unlike the unthinking leftist mob, I don't feel obligated to attack religiosity at every opportunity.

I know. I was just tossing another option out there. The only time I have issues with religion is when people try and force their religious views on other people. And that includes trying to get some monument built at the state courthouse. But the folks in this thread were not doing that. They were simply praying before a meal. Yes it was public, but I'm sure no one was forced to participate.
 
Separation of Church and State is as much about the 14th Amendment as the 1st.



Famously used in that way. However, the term and the concept are older.

Again, your wrong.

As the old people's home and the correct reading of the law has won the day:

Hot Air Georgia retirement home: Okay, on second thought, go ahead and pray before meals

Over our years of service, we have been instructed, as recently as two weeks ago, by the state regulatory agency that verbal prayer was not allowed at any senior center. We are so pleased to say that we have been contacted a few minutes ago by the new Director of Aging clarifying the regulation and reversing the position of new verbal prayer..."

So you see, the government does not have to be seperate from religion. It cannot stop the free exercise thereof.
 
Again, your wrong.

As the old people's home and the correct reading of the law has won the day:

Hot Air Georgia retirement home: Okay, on second thought, go ahead and pray before meals



So you see, the government does not have to be seperate from religion. It cannot stop the free exercise thereof.


Exactly. And I am glad that these seniors, many of whom only have those around them for comfort, and aid, are able to say grace before the meal as they wish now without some snarky liberal government dunderhead telling them they can't.


j-mac
 
So you see, the government does not have to be seperate from religion. It cannot stop the free exercise thereof.

Nor should it be allowed to.
 
Interesting. So no one was stopping them from praying before, and no one is stopping them from praying now. The only difference is that now, everyone else is forced to sit there and listen to their babbling.

I do have to wonder if they'd be so willing to fight for my "right to group prayer" if I wanted to have a group satanic prayer and made everyone else sit there and listen to it.
 
Interesting. So no one was stopping them from praying before, and no one is stopping them from praying now. The only difference is that now, everyone else is forced to sit there and listen to their babbling.

I do have to wonder if they'd be so willing to fight for my "right to group prayer" if I wanted to have a group satanic prayer and made everyone else sit there and listen to it.

They would probably do what you should do if you don't like their prayer.. walk out and don't listen to it.

I'd be willing to bet that every single person in that retirement home is happy to pray before the meals.
 
Who was being "forced"? I didn't read anywhere in that story where residents complained, did you?

So then you are basing your argument for, or against on something you can't discern happened. I believe that is called a strawman.

I guess you've never been the person sitting there uncomfortably while other people assume you are one of the group and subject you to a religious service you didn't sign up for. I lived in Utah as a Southern Baptist, and experienced it all the time, which is what largely influenced my views on the subject.

A few thoughts:

First, public prayers for the sake of being public about them are expressly forbidden, BY CHRIST, in the New Testament.

Second, what is the goal of such conduct, if it is not rewarded by God? Generally speaking, it is done because the believers are so inconsiderate that they feel they must subject other people to their practices.

Third, what does such behavior do for the cause of Christ? Be specific. What is this sort of public prayer designed to accomplish, in your opinion? I'd really like to know.
 
Interesting. So no one was stopping them from praying before, and no one is stopping them from praying now. The only difference is that now, everyone else is forced to sit there and listen to their babbling.

Um, did you even bother to read the last link I put up?

Over our years of service, we have been instructed, as recently as two weeks ago, by the state regulatory agency that verbal prayer was not allowed at any senior center. We are so pleased to say that we have been contacted a few minutes ago by the new Director of Aging clarifying the regulation and reversing the position of new verbal prayer..."

Sounds like the state had told them they couldn't do it. Now that has been reversed.

I do have to wonder if they'd be so willing to fight for my "right to group prayer" if I wanted to have a group satanic prayer and made everyone else sit there and listen to it.

Look, I understand your butt hurt over the correct reading of the law, but that is no cause to sell your soul to the devil.
 
I do have to wonder if they'd be so willing to fight for my "right to group prayer" if I wanted to have a group satanic prayer and made everyone else sit there and listen to it.

Whirling Dervishes, River. Whirling Dervishes. It's the way of the future.
 
Interesting. So no one was stopping them from praying before, and no one is stopping them from praying now. The only difference is that now, everyone else is forced to sit there and listen to their babbling.

I do have to wonder if they'd be so willing to fight for my "right to group prayer" if I wanted to have a group satanic prayer and made everyone else sit there and listen to it.


Wow! what do you envision? Some authoritarian type in a white coat standing over every table with a riding crop in hand yelling, "I said pray dammit!!!!"


As for your right to chant from the book of Satan before eating your meal, it is clear that the only reason you would wish to do that is to cause disruption because you loath those that don't think like you do. My guess though is that no one would stop you.


j-mac
 
Just wait until the Messiah Care really kicks in and the realization that those people are worth more to the government dead than alive.

They'll be praying for the meals, not over them.

Good grief. Let's stay on topic.
 
Um, did you even bother to read the last link I put up?



Sounds like the state had told them they couldn't do it. Now that has been reversed.
No, they did NOT tell them they couldn't pray.


Look, I understand your butt hurt over the correct reading of the law, but that is no cause to sell your soul to the devil.
So do you think they'd fight for my "right for group prayer" if I demanded group satanic prayer, or not? Wiccan? Muslim?
 
No, they did NOT tell them they couldn't pray.



So do you think they'd fight for my "right for group prayer" if I demanded group satanic prayer, or not? Wiccan? Muslim?

Did you fight for their right for group prayer ??
 
Wow! what do you envision? Some authoritarian type in a white coat standing over every table with a riding crop in hand yelling, "I said pray dammit!!!!"
Uhh... no, that's not what I said at all. I said people are forced to sit there and listen to their nonsense. No one can force anyone to pray, just like no one can STOP anyone from praying.

As for your right to chant from the book of Satan before eating your meal, it is clear that the only reason you would wish to do that is to cause disruption because you loath those that don't think like you do. My guess though is that no one would stop you.
LMFAO You really think no one would stop me? You're ****ing insane if you do. You're also ****ing insane if you think they'd taken it to the Mayor if I had been told to stop my pre-dinner summon Lucifer rituals as a group.
 
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