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Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

jallman said:
Well whoever made it look like a blue donkey is just ****ing sick!!!!
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My money is on some hard working kid in a Guatemalan sweat shop...

man...talk about your ****ty jobs...

and your child labor abuse...
 
VanceMack said:
My money is on some hard working kid in a Guatemalan sweat shop...

man...talk about your ****ty jobs...

and your child labor abuse...
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I know you probably weren't intending it but you just made a very poignant observation about the kind of culture that creates the economic distress that leads illegals to come here.

If they manned those factories with adults and paid a livable wage rather than grinding the kids into the ground for pennies and sent the kids to school instead of using them as next-best-thing-to-slave-labor, what do you think that would do for their economy?
 
jallman said:
I know you probably weren't intending it but you just made a very poignant observation about the kind of culture that creates the economic distress that leads illegals to come here.

If they manned those factories with adults and paid a livable wage rather than grinding the kids into the ground for pennies and sent the kids to school instead of using them as next-best-thing-to-slave-labor, what do you think that would do for their economy?
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You are right...I absolutely did NOT intend to make a salient point...so...thanks for throwing THAT in my face... ;-)

Now...as to YOUR point...personally I COMPLETELY agree. I think if we were to negotiate with the Mexican government, to invest the money that we would use hunting down illegal immigrants and instead invest in their education and industrial base it would have the same effect...high wages, more jobs, we would have a better economic trade partner, there wouldnt be the NEED for the illegal immigration problem...etc.

Of course...I think it wouldnt be a BAD idea if we did the same thing in America...reduce federal spending, eliminate foreign aid, encourage American industry to work with the unions to create a reasonable wage, provide incentives to bring jobs BACK to America...what a concept...
 
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/
This is an ACTUAL foxnews poll... :lamo:

Should the display of an American flag be banned, even if a school administrator feels that display could lead to fights?

  • No. This is a lame decision. Teach the kids what the flag means, instead of banning it.
  • Yes. The safety of students comes first.
  • Not sure, but of all things to ban, the American flag would seem the least 'incendiary.'
  • Other (post a comment)
 
Taylor said:
FOXNews.com - Should the American Flag Be Banned -- in America?
This is an ACTUAL foxnews poll... :lamo:

Should the display of an American flag be banned, even if a school administrator feels that display could lead to fights?

  • No. This is a lame decision. Teach the kids what the flag means, instead of banning it.
  • Yes. The safety of students comes first.
  • Not sure, but of all things to ban, the American flag would seem the least 'incendiary.'
  • Other (post a comment)
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Wow...they were pretty impertinent with the selectivity of their choices on that one . LOL
 
I feel about other people and the flag the same way Tancredo does, and he has one of my favorite quotes pertaining to it.
 
This isn't about the flag shirts (didn't Kid Rock get dissed for wearing one to a Super-bowl game?)

The flag boys were wanting to cause a disruption. Principals don't like disruptions. I would have sent them home to change and told them to be back in school in one hour.

You've got to discipline the juveniles.
 
MrVicchio said:
What's really hilarious, when you think about it, would be for some "French-American" students to protest the celebration of Cinco de Mayo because it hurts their feeling the Mexicans bragging about killing their ancestors. That would be fun to watch some school administrator figure out the PC correct line on that one.


And BTW, speaking of, Cinco De Mayo really... is an insult to Mexico. They're PROUD they kicked France's ass once? Really, that's worthy of a holiday?? We won WWII and didn't bother to make it a Holiday.


And to stay completely on topic, I hope those kids parents sue the school for violating their kids 1st amendment rights.
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To be fair Mexico didn't actually win the war, they just won the battle. And yeah, I always hated cinco de mayo because almost no Mexicans celebrate it in Mexico, but Mexicans here do. WTH?! Why do people who didn't celebrate it in mexico be celebrating here in a different nation? If you want to celebrate cinco de mayo it would make sense for the Mexicans living in Mexico to but not here in the states.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
To be fair Mexico didn't actually win the war, they just won the battle. And yeah, I always hated cinco de mayo because almost no Mexicans celebrate it in Mexico, but Mexicans here do. WTH?! Why do people who didn't celebrate it in mexico be celebrating here in a different nation? If you want to celebrate cinco de mayo it would make sense for the Mexicans living in Mexico to but not here in the states.
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Thats cuz we celebrate everything including El malaguana day. Have you ever seen the website that lists all the 'official' special days? Sheesh.
 
Do these students even understand the history behind cinco de mayo?
I doubt it. Just another way to squash freedom of expression if it has ANYTHING to do with being an American.

We have fought long and hard to maintain our rights in this country.

The day anybody in my family is told to take off anything associated with our American flag will be a cold day in hell.

Somebody is always offended about something. So sad, too bad. The word "offensive" is one of the most overused words today in our country.

The shirts in "question" have been worn before and will continue to be worn.
Whether these students wore them to start "trouble" is moot. They had the right to wear them, regardless of some unseen reason for hurt feelings and a general need for some to play victim.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Please tell these mexicans to shut the **** up and stop bitching. This is america.
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Great advice. I'm sure public school principles get that same advice during their instruction on how to manage a freedom-of-expression-institute...err, I mean public school.

No one gets upset on st. pats day if I wear an American flag.... Why should thes mexicans..
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It's taken as racism, or at least "get the F out".
Yes, it was probably meant more to be anti-immigration protest, which isn't *necessarily* racist, sure. But harssment doesn't always require reasoning to warrant stopping it, and the link between anti-immigration and racism floats on the surface right now. It wasn't banned right? They were just asked to accomodate what others thought was offensive for one day. Big whoop either way.

besides its quite ironic they are upset at American flags on a fake mexican holiday created for the American beer market. :ssst:
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No doubt. Religions and nations cannibalize all sorts of tradition from other sources and other reasons, most are ironic when you dig a little.
 
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Mason66 said:
You were specifically talking about Mexico so I was specifically answering about Mexico
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I was NOT specifically talking about Mexico, someone had said that there is a world beyond the United States so I said that it must not be great because people try to come in from all directions (the "everyone and their brother" comment). You ASSUMED I meant Mexico, and you know what they say assuming does.
 
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Mach said:
Great advice. I'm sure public school principles get that same advice during their instruction on how to manage a freedom-of-expression-institute...err, I mean public school.
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The Supreme Court clearly ruled that a student doesn't leave their rights at the door.

Mach said:
It's taken as racism, or at least "get the F out".
Yes, it was probably meant more to be anti-immigration protest, which isn't *necessarily* racist, sure. But harssment doesn't always require reasoning to warrant stopping it, and the link between anti-immigration and racism floats on the surface right now. It wasn't banned right? They were just asked to accomodate what others thought was offensive for one day. Big whoop either way.
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One of the students was part Hispanic.
 
Mickey Shane said:
This isn't about the flag shirts (didn't Kid Rock get dissed for wearing one to a Super-bowl game?)

The flag boys were wanting to cause a disruption. Principals don't like disruptions. I would have sent them home to change and told them to be back in school in one hour.

You've got to discipline the juveniles.
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uhm yeah, cinco de mayo is a fake holiday, why again would you send Americans wearing american flags home?



My bet is that if this were reversed and they sent mexican kids home for wearing the mexican flag on the forth, you'd be pretty much all up in arms over it,. :shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is sick, this principle should be fired,
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The kids should sue the living **** out of this person and the school district.

and the chicanos who are all but hurt about Americans wearing the American flag should STFU and get a life or repatriate to that dump of a country they came from.
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They need to GTFO of this country if they're offended by an American flag. If I was these kids I'd go in and trample of the Mexican flag as burning it is a fire code violation whereas trampling on it is protected speech.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I agree that this is ridiculous, but has there been a history of ethnic conflict on the school campus? The boys admittedly were wearing the shirt to get a rise out of Latino students and potentially start a conflict.

However, the principal needs to take a class on dress code do's and don'ts.
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The American Flag can NEVER be banned speech.
 
Mickey Shane said:
This isn't about the flag shirts (didn't Kid Rock get dissed for wearing one to a Super-bowl game?)

The flag boys were wanting to cause a disruption. Principals don't like disruptions. I would have sent them home to change and told them to be back in school in one hour.

You've got to discipline the juveniles.
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This is backwards thinking and far too often celebrated amongst the "very liberal" who seemingly seek to thrust forward the "white guilt" mentality. Instead of casting the four out, the rest of the school should be told to find a way to feel more secure about their ethnicity. Or will Mexican Flags be banned on the appropriate day henceforth?

If a protestor shows up at one of my Marine's funerals is he asked to leave because it offends me or that it may disrupt proceedings? Or am I to suck it up and allow him his civil rights and jack-assery while he screams and shouts his opinions?
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
Actually, it isn't irrelevant.

Actually it is, the American flag can never be banned speech.

Motive & effect are extremely important in school dress code issues.

For instance, I've seen schools ban wearing of rosaries and other religious symbols because gang members were using them to identify their affiliation at school (rosaries in the color of the usually latino gangs, the six-pointed star of david used to signify folks affiliation).

If the school deems the attire disruptive to the school climate, and is able to show that this has been the case by documenting exactly how the garment or item has been disruptive, the school can ban the attire.
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No the school must be able to PROVE that it "materially and substantially interfere with the requirements of appropriate discipline in the operation of the school" (Tinker V. Des Moines)

The rights of students to free expression is trumped by the need to keep the school safe, and that has been consistently upheld in court.
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The idea that the American flag could possibly cause substantial material interference with discipline would only prove one thing and that this school and the students offended by the flag are beyond help and it needs to be shut down and the aforementioned students expelled from the school district or sent to alternative school.
 
Mach said:
Since when has antagonizing minority students on the basis of race or nationality, a good thing to be occuring at public schools? Is it because they did it passively that you don't object?
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Since when was being offended by the American flag acceptable behavior?


We had guys wear confederate flags on campus to make a statement against african americans. This is in the south, where it's about a 50/50 split no less. It ended up in a 20 person brawl.
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Then whoever threw the first punches should have been suspended and arrested.

Principles have the right to keep their student body in check, including doing stupid things to possibly prevent *really* stupid things. It's their call.
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The right to freedom of expression does not stop at the school gates. By your reasoning if a white person was offended by a Star of David, a Mexican Flag, or a Malcolm X insignia then those should likewise be within banning parameters.
 
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Political correctness run amuck...again!
 
apdst said:
Political correctness run amuck...again!
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Political correctness has gone from a sickening "everbody's beautiful" sway of illusionary unity to a heightened sense of "white guilt."
 
Groucho said:
Liberals are the ones who bring lawsuits (often through the ACLU) to protect the rights of everyone to free speech, even when they disagree with the speech. This is a perfect example of the kinds of cases the liberals have fought many times.

If you think that any prominent liberals or liberal groups - or even a majority of liberal people -- are supporting this principal*, then please provide some evidence. All I have seen is the exact opposite.


* there are always extremists on either side, so I know there will be some liberals who support the principal, just like there may be some conservatives who support the principal because he has to maintain order or something ...
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yeah the courts are full of ACLU lawsuits brought against those who prevent people like Ann Coulter or Justice Thomas from speaking at various universities
 
MSgt said:
Political correctness has gone from a sickening "everbody's beautiful" sway of illusionary unity to a heightened sense of "white guilt."
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You got that right, bro!
 
MrVicchio said:
What's really hilarious, when you think about it, would be for some "French-American" students to protest the celebration of Cinco de Mayo because it hurts their feeling the Mexicans bragging about killing their ancestors. That would be fun to watch some school administrator figure out the PC correct line on that one.
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Dang right. If I were there, I would wear a shirt with the French and Quebecois flags to show my pride. I actually did wear Quebecois T-shirts on June 24th when I was in school. Never a big deal, and if anyone wanted to wear U.S. stuff, why not? The U.S. is a diverse country. No one should EVER be harassed for showing pride in being American, just as no one should be harassed for showing pride in their heritage.
 
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