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Students Wearing American Flag Shirts Sent Home

The overly nationalists frequently express disregard for the needs and rights of individuals. I suspect, this is what is happening in some institutions such as this university, and thus the reason for the ban on nationalist symbolism, such as these shirts with American flags on them.
 
Let me take you on the train to simpletown..... CHOO CHOO..... Those types want all the "mud people" to go back to whence they came... I only suggested the ones offended by the stars and stripes go back, whether they are white, black, brown, or green.... the fail is and always will be. yours.

Fair enough. Then let me be clear.

I'm suggesting is wasn't the flag that offended them. I'm suggesting is was the persons wearing the flags.

Here's what I'm asking:

Why did multiple boys wear identical American flag bandanas and t-shirts on a holiday (legitimate or not) that some Mexican-Americans use to celebrate their heritage?

Why did they choose Cinco de Mayo to express their 'American Pride'? (American Pride -- interesting choice of words)

Would it be wise to wear a Confederate flag on Martin Luther King day?
 
Why did multiple boys wear identical American flag bandanas and t-shirts on a holiday (legitimate or not) that some Mexican-Americans use to celebrate their heritage?

Why did they choose Cinco de Mayo to express their 'American Pride'? (American Pride -- interesting choice of words)

Do you know the answers to these questions hazlnut? If you do, please share. It seems to me that unless these are answered there is no reasonable basis for making up your mind either way.
 
Fair enough. Then let me be clear.

I'm suggesting is wasn't the flag that offended them. I'm suggesting is was the persons wearing the flags.
So some students are allowed to wear flags but others aren't?

Why did multiple boys wear identical American flag bandanas and t-shirts on a holiday (legitimate or not) that some Mexican-Americans use to celebrate their heritage?
Who gives a ****?

Why did they choose Cinco de Mayo to express their 'American Pride'? (American Pride -- interesting choice of words)
Who gives a ****?

The answers to those questions are entirely irrelevant. Wearing clothing adorned with the US flag is allowed in that school. Period.

Would it be wise to wear a Confederate flag on Martin Luther King day?
Why not? If it's allowed in the school any other day, then it's allowed in the school period.

If someone gets pissy about what I'm wearing, that's their issue, not mine. Their problem, not mine. If they want to make up some holiday and decide to celebrate it and then get pissy if I wear something that THEY find offensive on a holiday THEY have designated for themselves and that I couldn't give two ****s about, that's THEIR problem, not mine.

There is not a ****ing day of the year that it's inappropriate to show patriotism. There is not a ****ing day of the year that any person in this country is being "disrespectful" by showing patriotism. The mere insinuation that there is such a day is ****ing insane.

If people in this country have a problem with the American flag then perhaps they shouldn't be in the country that it's flown.

Besides that, they don't have the right not to be offended. So they can just get over their offense at the stars and stripes.
 
Do you know the answers to these questions hazlnut? If you do, please share. It seems to me that unless these are answered there is no reasonable basis for making up your mind either way.

I know that 3 boys wearing the same bandanas and t-shirts is not a coincidence.

According to the parents:

"All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."

Fair enough. But why on Cinco de Mayo at a high school with a large Mexican-American population? What specific statement were they trying to make?
 
I know that 3 boys wearing the same bandanas and t-shirts is not a coincidence.

I hear you, hazlnut, and I think your instincts are probably right on the money, but as of now all I see is a discussion that is long on conjecture and short on facts.

If the boys were inciting the other kids, that settles it. But where is the evidence? This back and forth with you and hellhound can go on forever until one of you actually provides some concrete evidence.
 
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I know that 3 boys wearing the same bandanas and t-shirts is not a coincidence.

According to the parents:



Fair enough. But why on Cinco de Mayo at a high school with a large Mexican-American population? What specific statement were they trying to make?

They don't have to have a reason nor should they bar themselves from making a patriotic gesture just because of or inspite of a fake mexican holiday.

It's the Mexicans who should sit down and STFU on this one.
 
Rivrrat:

Sorry, I haven't been following the 'school rules' part of the discussion. My daughters own that Old Navy t-shirt and have worn it to school. So, the rules you're referring to must be only in that district.

If people in this country have a problem with the American flag then perhaps they shouldn't be in the country that it's flown.

Besides that, they don't have the right not to be offended. So they can just get over their offense at the stars and stripes.

Back to the point I'm trying to make. I don't think anyone has a problem with the American flag be waved, worn, or displayed by patriots. It's not the flag itself that people are objecting to.

But putting the bandannas and t-shirts in the context of story--what were those boys trying to say to the Mexican-American students on that day?

That is a legitimate question: Why did you boys choose that day to all wear the same bandanas and t-shirts? What 'statement', if you will, were they trying to make?
 
They don't have to have a reason nor should they bar themselves from making a patriotic gesture just because of or inspite of a fake mexican holiday.

Being purposefully obtuse seems like your forte, doesn't it? Clearly there is a possibility that the kids were all wearing these t-shirts to incite the students celebrating Cinco de Mayo (which is, I must point out, a bona fide holiday in the USA and and the Mexican state of Puebla).

Certainly wearing a flag t-shirt is not in and of itself incendiary (unless you're doing it in front of somebody who actually understands flag code, which, as this thread indicates, seems a very small minority of people indeed). But it could very well be that this t-shirts couple with taunts and such could very well be apt to provoke a fight. Were such taunts and incitements going on? I have no idea, but if they were, any school administrator is perfectly justified in doing whatever needs to be done to remedy the situation, and it is not for us to second guess.

It could also be that the kids are perfectly innocent and the administrator was in the wrong. It doesn't seem likely, in all honesty, but it is possible. If so, then the parents should have brought it up at the next PTA meeting, not go straight to Fox News and try to turn their kids into martyrs.
 
Back to the point I'm trying to make. I don't think anyone has a problem with the American flag be waved, worn, or displayed by patriots. It's not the flag itself that people are objecting to.

Correction: an American flag, or image thereof, should never be worn by anyone who professes to be a patriot.
 
Back to the point I'm trying to make. I don't think anyone has a problem with the American flag be waved, worn, or displayed by patriots. It's not the flag itself that people are objecting to.

But putting the bandannas and t-shirts in the context of story--what were those boys trying to say to the Mexican-American students on that day?

That is a legitimate question: Why did you boys choose that day to all wear the same bandanas and t-shirts? What 'statement', if you will, were they trying to make?
The point is, it doesn't MATTER why. They are allowed, in that school, to wear clothing adorned with the flag. Any day of the year. If one student, or even a group of students, doesn't like that, it doesn't matter. That'd be like saying that it's okay to send the students home for wearing a Redskins T-shirt because some Cowboys fans might get irked. It's ridiculous. Either they're allowed to wear the clothing, or they are not. In this case, it was within the rules of the school to wear said clothing. Period.

Being purposefully obtuse seems like your forte, doesn't it? Clearly there is a possibility that the kids were all wearing these t-shirts to incite the students celebrating Cinco de Mayo (which is, I must point out, a bona fide holiday in the USA and and the Mexican state of Puebla).
Doesn't matter why they wore them. It is irrelevant.
 
Doesn't matter why they wore them. It is irrelevant.

Now you're just being disingenuous. A school administrator has a duty to prevent violence from taking place in the school. In short, why the wore them is the only thing that matters.
 
Now you're just being disingenuous. A school administrator has a duty to prevent violence from taking place in the school. In short, why the wore them is the only thing that matters.

No, it isn't what matters in the slightest. Not even a little bit. If some students get pissy about the flag, then THEY get sent home.

Like I said, if a student wears a black t-shirt because they think the color black will piss off some group of kids, should they be sent home? Of course not. If a student wears a Redskins tshirt knowing that it will piss off a group of Cowboys fan, should they be sent home? Of course not. To suggest so is ridiculous.

If a student gets pissed off/potentially violent at something another student is wearing, then the pissed off student should be sent home.

It's not the principal's job to walk around making sure no one's wittle feelings are bothered by the colors on someone's clothing.
 
It's not the principal's job to walk around making sure no one's wittle feelings are bothered by the colors on someone's clothing.

:rofl That is precisely what the principal's job is! This is a high school for crying out loud. Your example with the football jersey just goes to bolster my point. If a kid is walking around in a shirt that is going to provoke a fight, the administrator has a duty to stop it by whatever means they decide are necessary. You don't know much about how school children behave, do you? :roll::roll::roll:
 
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Being purposefully obtuse seems like your forte, doesn't it?

Another useless observation from the illiterate gallery. Imagine that.

Clearly there is a possibility that the kids were all wearing these t-shirts to incite the students celebrating Cinco de Mayo (which is, I must point out, a bona fide holiday in the USA and and the Mexican state of Puebla).

Yeah, it's a bona fide holiday in the way St Patrick's Day is. And if students are incited by the flag, they shouldn't be in America and are invited, emphatically, to return to their countries of origin.

Certainly wearing a flag t-shirt is not in and of itself incendiary (unless you're doing it in front of somebody who actually understands flag code, which, as this thread indicates, seems a very small minority of people indeed).

Yes, and you cannot count yourself among those who understand the flag code because it is obvious that you don't.

But it could very well be that this t-shirts couple with taunts and such could very well be apt to provoke a fight. Were such taunts and incitements going on?

Article made no mention of "taunts" so until there is evidence of such, it cannot be entered into this discussion as a prosecution of these boys. How about you try something new on in this thread; traffic in facts only instead of your wild interpretations.

I have no idea, but if they were, any school administrator is perfectly justified in doing whatever needs to be done to remedy the situation, and it is not for us to second guess.

So then stop second guessing. If you find evidence that there was some form of incitement occurring here, we can revisit the topic.

It could also be that the kids are perfectly innocent and the administrator was in the wrong. It doesn't seem likely, in all honesty, but it is possible. If so, then the parents should have brought it up at the next PTA meeting, not go straight to Fox News and try to turn their kids into martyrs.

No one died here. There are no martyrs. But I am glad they brought attention to the insolence and derision toward America that a couple little chicano kids and a chicano principal have been raised with while living in this country.
 
:rofl That is precisely what the principal's job is! This is a high school for crying out loud. Your example with the football jersey just goes to bolster my point. If a kid is walking around in a shirt that is going to provoke a fight, the administrator has a duty to stop it by whatever means they decide are necessary. You don't know much about how school children behave, do you? :roll::roll::roll:

Oh please. So seriously, you think the principal should know what students like what ball teams and which ones get pissy about what and then deny specific students the right to wear certain clothing while allowing others to wear it?

****ing seriously?

Give me a ****ing break. If a group of students is likely to become violent for some reason, then it's the principal's job to rid the school of the violent students.
 
They don't have to have a reason nor should they bar themselves from making a patriotic gesture just because of or inspite of a fake mexican holiday.

You're right. If that was first t-shirt they grabbed out of the drawer and it wasn't planned.

Re: the fake holiday.

All holidays develop over time and take on a life/meaning of their own. Mocking or belittling them can be seen as intolerance.

For instance, June 28. In New York City and around the country that day is celebrated with parades. I would never mock or belittle those celebrating the importance of that day.


It's the Mexicans who should sit down and STFU on this one.

With this particular story, I don't think either side should sit down or STFU.

As a Californian, if there are students at that school whose parents don't pay income tax, then I have a big problem with that.

However, given the current climate on immigration, I can understand why Mexican-Americans may have some legitimate concerns.
 
Yes, and you cannot count yourself among those who understand the flag code because it is obvious that you don't.

Well, now you're just projecting. What's it like being so painfully transparent?:lol: I urge you to take some time out of your busy schedule of shooting your mouth off about things you don't understand to actually read the Flag Code in its entirety, or at least consult some authority on the matter.

By the way:

Dictionary.com said:
martyr - a person who seeks sympathy or attention by feigning or exaggerating pain, deprivation, etc.
 
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Oh please. So seriously, you think the principal should know what students like what ball teams and which ones get pissy about what and then deny specific students the right to wear certain clothing while allowing others to wear it?

If that certain clothing is likely to start a fight, then yes, exactly that. Any principal would be remiss to do otherwise. :roll: Geez, I really hope you're not an educator...:rofl

If a group of students is likely to become violent for some reason, then it's the principal's job to rid the school of the violent students.

So you mean, the principal should do exactly what this principal did in this situation? Way to hoist yourself on your own petard, rat.:lol::lol:
 
I find it amazing people supporting the cinco de mayo crowd don't see how offensive it is to celebrate a holiday that has nothing to do with the history of the US in any way shape or form.

The focus is only on the pro American crowd living in America while the pro Mexican crowd is never to be considered offensive.
 
I find it amazing people supporting the cinco de mayo crowd don't see how offensive it is to celebrate a holiday that has nothing to do with the history of the US in any way shape or form.

You mean like Christmas, Easter, St. Patrick's Day, or Halloween? Somehow I think you can still be patriotic and celebrate a holiday that is not related to the USA. Better luck next time.:2wave:
 
You're right. If that was first t-shirt they grabbed out of the drawer and it wasn't planned.

Re: the fake holiday.

All holidays develop over time and take on a life/meaning of their own. Mocking or belittling them can be seen as intolerance.

For instance, June 28. In New York City and around the country that day is celebrated with parades. I would never mock or belittle those celebrating the importance of that day.

I have no idea what June 28th is but somehow I find it unlikely anyone would throw a hissy fit over an American flag being worn on that day in America either.

With this particular story, I don't think either side should sit down or STFU.

That's where we disagree. The side that has a problem with the American flag being displayed within the borders of AMERICA for any reason whatsoever is the one that needs to sit down and STFU or find themselves on a bus home.

I would NEVER begin to show the kind of arrogance it takes to go into a country's sovereign borders and make a complaint about the display of their flag by any of their citizens for any reason.
 
If that certain clothing is likely to start a fight, then yes, exactly that. Any principal would be remiss to do otherwise. :roll: Geez, I really hope you're not an educator...:rofl

Jenny gets irked at the color purple. Should all students wearing purple be sent home? :doh


So you mean, the principal should do exactly what this principal did in this situation? Way to hoist yourself on your own petard, rat.:lol::lol:

Please show me where, in any of the news coverage of this, it states that the flag wearing students were being violent. Because I seem to have missed that somewhere.
 
I have no idea what June 28th is but somehow I find it unlikely anyone would throw a hissy fit over an American flag being worn on that day in America either.



That's where we disagree. The side that has a problem with the American flag being displayed within the borders of AMERICA for any reason whatsoever is the one that needs to sit down and STFU or find themselves on a bus home.

I would NEVER begin to show the kind of arrogance it takes to go into a country's sovereign borders and make a complaint about the display of their flag by any of their citizens for any reason.

Hey Jall... I think we should go to Mexico on July 4th and get pissy at anyone displaying a Mexican flag. I mean, how DARE they disrespect us like that!! And July 4th is actually a big holiday celebrated nationally. So surely no other country in the world shows their own flags on THAT day.
 
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