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U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

liblady said:
no, they are not. please prove your assertion.
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Environmental activities of the U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) fall within the service’s program for protection of natural resources, and consist of maritime oil spill prevention, marine debris, and pollution response preparedness. Protection of living marine resources and fisheries also falls in this category, but is not discussed here. Marine environmental protection is one of six “non-homeland security missions” specified in the Homeland Security Act of 2002.
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http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS22145.pdf

Any more questions ??
 
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Gill said:
You can't seem to comprehend very well. Once again, where did I make that claim ???

...take your time.
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Gill said:
I blame both parties.
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[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States]Federal government of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Which part of the Federal Government are the 'two parties' not involved in? I'll wait for you to determine just who it is you want to blame and then explain why a mistake made by BP employees should be the fault of the government or 'the two parties'.
 
Hatuey said:
Federal government of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which part of the Federal Government are the 'two parties' not involved in? I'll wait for you to determine just who it is you want to blame and then explain why a mistake made by BP employees should be the fault of the government or 'the two parties'.
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I'll type a little slower so you'll understand. I blame BP for the spill and both for the slow response to the spill... just as I've said all along.

Got it now ??? I'd hate to confuse you further.
 
Gill said:
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS22145.pdf

Any more questions ??
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it seems the oil spill prevention is regarding VESSELS as opposed to rigs. is the coast guard responsible for inspecting rigs? if not, how can they be responsible for preventing rig leaks? wrong much? from YOUR source:

Preventing and preparing for spills is also a Coast Guard responsibility, and the
Coast Guard’s jurisdiction covers vessels; onshore, transportation-related facilities; and
deepwater ports.8
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Gill said:
I'll type a little slower so you'll understand. I blame BP for the spill and both for the slow response to the spill... just as I've said all along.

Got it now ??? I'd hate to confuse you further.
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So then even though the federal government and 'the two parties' had absolutely nothing to do with a mistake by BP employees, it is still their fault for not properly responding to a mistake made by BP?
 
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Hatuey said:
So then even though the federal government or 'the two parties' had absolutely nothing to do with a mistake by BP employees, it is still their fault for not properly responding to a mistake made by BP?
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yes..............
 
Gill said:
yes..............
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I wonder who you blamed for Katrina. ;) I bet you blamed the people who died for not being able to get out of the city.
 
it was the coast guard's fault.
 
Hatuey said:
At what point does it become the fault of BP for not meeting the required safety standards? Do we even know what caused the accident yet?
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To me, the question is why did BP get exempted, and did other companies receive the same favors? Recent history of our financial crisis pretty much shows that corporations do and will take advantage of lack of oversight. Also, did BP get exempted in exchange for political donations? I'm not claiming to know, but it does raise the question of corruption on both sides of the issue.
 
liblady said:
it seems the oil spill prevention is regarding VESSELS as opposed to rigs. is the coast guard responsible for inspecting rigs? if not, how can they be responsible for preventing rig leaks? wrong much? from YOUR source:
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How's this:

OIL POLLUTION ACT OF 1990
The OPA of 1990 consolidates and changes existing laws that govern prevention, oil spill liability, and preparedness and cleanup. The law affects pipelines, vessels, oil rigs, piers, and terminals (on shore) that transport, handle, or store crude oil and petroleum products. Many new and important provisions that will affect the DOD fuel facilities are contained in the act, including increased liability for oil spills, more comprehensive oil spill contingency plans, training and drill requirements, better response capability and tougher enforcement. Also, the OPA has strengthened the role of three separate federal agencies: The USCG, the EPA, and the U.S. Department of Transportation (Research and Special Programs Administration).
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They need to polish up the oil spill contingency plans required by this Act.
 
Hatuey said:
I wonder who you blamed for Katrina. ;) I bet you blamed the people who died for not being able to get out of the city.
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I blamed:

  1. The hurricane
  2. People that insisted on living in a city below sea level, although they were warned for at least 25 years what would happen if they got hit by a hurricane.
  3. The people that were too stupid to leave the city when they had the chance.

Any more questions I can help you with??
 
politics is HEADLINES

and these are a couple killers for the keystone klutzes currently occupying dc:

"bp exempted from damage study"

that'd be APRIL, 09

INTERIOR SEC SALAZAR

"obama #1 recipient of bp money"

ouch

and: "safety award for bp cancelled"

juxtapose with the white house's weaker warblings---

we've got "our boot on the neck of bp"

bp is a "serial abuser"

it turns out that the "abuser" is EXEMPT from paying any damages over 75 mil

the most incompetent cast of screw ups america has ever endured
 
Gill said:
I blamed:

  1. The hurricane
  2. People that insisted on living in a city below sea level, although they were warned for at least 25 years what would happen if they got hit by a hurricane.
  3. The people that were too stupid to leave the city when they had the chance.

Any more questions I can help you with??
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So then in that case you blamed people who had no means of responding to a hurricane and not the federal and state governments who had plans to deal with such a situation. In this case you're blaming the government for not running the same sort of plan even though it was an accident caused by a private company with enough means to avoid such an accident. Hm. Seems conveniently partisan.
 
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Hatuey said:
If the federal government had not granted BP an exemption we'd see a thread here by Libertarian and capitalist friends complaining about how the government is meddling in the free market. But the federal did grant the exemption and did not babysit BP as it was conducting business.

At what point does it become the fault of BP for not meeting the required safety standards? Do we even know what caused the accident yet?
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Do we even know what caused the accident yet?
What an excellent point to make.

Mr Obama should not be making wild threats to any person / Company.
As a (at one time) lawyer even he should know that until the evidence, all the evidence, has been presented to the Court of Inquiry all supposition is just that, it is not evidence.
 
Hatuey said:
So then in that case you blamed people who had no means of responding to a hurricane and not the federal and state governments who had plans to deal with such a situation. In this case you're blaming the government for not running the same sort of plan even though it was an accident caused by a private company with enough means to avoid such an accident. Hm. Seems conveniently partisan.
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Most had the means and the opportunity to leave N.O., as thousands of others did. They simply chose not to.

Partisan ?? You calling someone else partisan gave me a good laugh.
 
Gill said:
How's this:



They need to polish up the oil spill contingency plans required by this Act.
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nope.......the coast guard is repsonsible for contingency plans, NOT prevention. ROLES, gill, roles.

nothing in what you posted even remotely suggests the coast guard is responsible for PREVENTION, as you claimed, becasue they are NOT.
 
liblady said:
nope.......the coast guard is repsonsible for contingency plans, NOT prevention. ROLES, gill, roles.

nothing in what you posted even remotely suggests the coast guard is responsible for PREVENTION, as you claimed, becasue they are NOT.
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Really? I guess the word "prevention" that I highlighted in red and was listed as a Coast Guard responsibility was simply a typo ???
 
Based-on this article, it appears shenanigans have been happening for at last the last 8 years:

WASHINGTON — As Congress prepares to debate expansion of drilling in taxpayer-owned coastal waters, the Interior Department agency that collects oil and gas royalties has been caught up in a wide-ranging ethics scandal — including allegations of financial self-dealing, accepting gifts from energy companies, cocaine use and sexual misconduct.

In three reports delivered to Congress on Wednesday, the department’s inspector general, Earl E. Devaney, found wrongdoing by a dozen current and former employees of the Minerals Management Service, which collects about $10 billion in royalties annually and is one of the government’s largest sources of revenue other than taxes.

“A culture of ethical failure” pervades the agency, Mr. Devaney wrote in a cover memo.

The reports portray a dysfunctional organization that has been riddled with conflicts of interest, unprofessional behavior and a free-for-all atmosphere for much of the Bush administration’s watch.
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The New York Times > Log In
 
and the BOOMS were called for back in 1994

the point is---obama's sposed to FIX it

that's why he was elected

he failed
 
Hatuey said:
So then in that case you blamed people who had no means of responding to a hurricane and not the federal and state governments who had plans to deal with such a situation. In this case you're blaming the government for not running the same sort of plan even though it was an accident caused by a private company with enough means to avoid such an accident. Hm. Seems conveniently partisan.
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You didn't blame bitch about Bush and Brownie not doing enough to help? Be honest!!
 
Gill said:
Most had the means and the opportunity to leave N.O., as thousands of others did. They simply chose not to.

Partisan ?? You calling someone else partisan gave me a good laugh.
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Word on the oilfield street, is that engineers said not to put the fire out, but the CG ignored them and fought the fire, anyway. According to the engineers, putting the fire out caused nore harm than good.
 
apdst said:
You didn't blame bitch about Bush and Brownie not doing enough to help? Be honest!!
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Did I blame the government for not reacting when a government constructed levee failed? Ummm yes. Did I blame the government when a private company had an accident? No. Do you see the reason why? I'll give you a quick clue - In the first case - THE PEOPLE WHO CONSTRUCTED THE LEVEES WERE BLAMED - IN THE SECOND - THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OIL SPILL WERE BLAMED.
 
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