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Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law

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I like the way CBS news calls them 'immigrants', not 'illegal immigrants'. Then they proceed to share the story of a family with 10, yes 10, children (all American citizens, naturally). They tug at our heart strings. Who could not sympathize with this honorable family?

They are currently unemployed.Sooooo, how are they supporting these 10 children that they so happily had? How much U.S. taxpayer money has gone to assist them in raising them? How many American middle class citizens deferred childbearing in order to pay the taxes to support this illegal immigrant family, that lives hand to mouth, never worrying about having another child?

Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law - CBS Evening News - CBS News

CBS) At Least 100,000 Illegal Immigrants Flee the State Fearing Legislation; Some Citizens Angered by Financial Impact

On a dusty block in Phoenix, 15 years of the Quintana family's possessions are for sale.

Manuela Quintana said that they decided to leave when the Arizona governor signed the new immigration law.

For years, their family thrived with jobs in restaurants and construction, reports CBS News correspondent Kelly Cobiella. Their 10 children were born here and are U.S. citizens. Both she and her husband are undocumented, and currently unemployed.

She said that her biggest fear is being put in jail and having her children taken away from her. Just the thought of moving scares their 12-year-old daughter Graciela.

"I think it's going to be my worst day," Graciela said.

Two years ago, this park was filled with families every weekend. Arizona was home to more than half a million illegal immigrants. Since then, at least 100,000 have left.
 
Ummmm, good? This is good news to me, frankly. Illegal immigrants should return to their country of origin, since they are breaking our laws by being here.

buh-bye, now. :2wave:
 
Look if they are illegals then they deserve to and need to go home. So if this flawed law has managed to get rid of illegals that is a good thing. As long as legall permanent residents and naturalized immigrants are not bothered then fine.

if it illegals going by bye then I say good go and go quickkly and go in large numbers. It's that simple !!!
 
Any remembrance of President Eisenhower and "Operation Wetback"?

Under President Eisenhower, with Special Inquiry Officers for hearings, the federal government, in 1954, was able actually to deport, voluntarily return or scare off possibly over 1.3 million illegal aliens from Mexico over about a year during Operation Wetback. In Texas, the federal government deported illegal aliens on trucks, busses and even by ship from South Texas to the port of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 500 miles south and points beyond. Of the 1.3m, approx. 700,000 made a voluntary exodus southward.

He wasn't concerned about political correctness or a particular voter bloc. He did what needed to be done. And ironically, he won a second term.
 
Outstanding, now we need to enact a federal law similar to the Arizona law and they will leave the country, problem solved.
 
Not more laws, just the backbone to follow through on the ones we have.
 
Ummmm, good? This is good news to me, frankly. Illegal immigrants should return to their country of origin, since they are breaking our laws by being here.

buh-bye, now. :2wave:
I don't think they are all going back to Mexico, probably just moving to a different state.
 
I don't think they are all going back to Mexico, probably just moving to a different state.

Who will probably imitate this law post haste once the effects are seen more clearly. And, a lot of them aren't from Mexico. They're from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Canada.
 
I like the way CBS news calls them 'immigrants', not 'illegal immigrants'. Then they proceed to share the story of a family with 10, yes 10, children (all American citizens, naturally). They tug at our heart strings. Who could not sympathize with this honorable family?

They are currently unemployed.Sooooo, how are they supporting these 10 children that they so happily had? How much U.S. taxpayer money has gone to assist them in raising them? How many American middle class citizens deferred childbearing in order to pay the taxes to support this illegal immigrant family, that lives hand to mouth, never worrying about having another child?

Immigrant Families Leave Arizona, Fearing Law - CBS Evening News - CBS News

They did similar stories when Oklahoma enacted HB1804. NExt will be how the poor farmers or construction companies are having a hard time finding workers.
 
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Ummmm, good? This is good news to me, frankly. Illegal immigrants should return to their country of origin, since they are breaking our laws by being here.

buh-bye, now. :2wave:

Why are there any more posts in this thread? This post was perfect.
 
Outstanding, now we need to enact a federal law similar to the Arizona law and they will leave the country, problem solved.
That's what I've been saying.
But this would likely not work as a natl law.

All we need do tho, is sanction employERS of illegals with:
1. Serious fines. Starting at $5000 per violation.
2. Fines and Jail time for second violations.

Simple really.
It would all be over in a few days- after they raided ie, the biggest 50 restaurants in LA, etc.
I live in NYC and the cleaner across the street is ALL Mexican illegals.
The Diner next to them.. the same.
And so it goes.

Nice to see what a real minimum wage would look like too. Probably more like $10 without the phony huge illegal pool, and before our college kids take what will then become decent jobs.
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This is good news. My wife told me that one of the local tv stations interviewed a similar family. The husband and wife came to the US illegally 10years ago. Had a bunch of kids. They are leaving Arizona. They think they will head to Colorado.

The reporter had to use an interpreter. Neither parent could speak english. So much for assimilating into the US.
 
I like the way CBS news calls them 'immigrants', not 'illegal immigrants'.

Right under the headline of linked story:

At Least 100,000 Illegal Immigrants Flee the State Fearing Legislation

You even quoted it.
 
Good, now all the out of work Arizonians can get jobs mowing lawns, cleaning houses, picking fruit and washing dishes.

Or we'll watch AZ scramble to try to find someone to do these minimum wage jobs and the economy will suffer.

We'll see.....
 
Good, now all the out of work Arizonians can get jobs mowing lawns, cleaning houses, picking fruit and washing dishes.

Or we'll watch AZ scramble to try to find someone to do these minimum wage jobs and the economy will suffer.

We'll see.....
Funny, I have a family member who owns and runs a landscaping company in Tempe. Neither he nor anyone on his payroll is an illegal immigrant. I know several restaurant owners in the area too, they don't have anyone washing dishes for them that is not a legal citizen. Can't speak for the house cleaning but strongly suspect there are plenty of people in this economy to fill that role. We won't go into the fruit picking jobs lost in Arizona for fairly obvious reasons, mostly Obama's "work card" program.;)
 
Good, now all the out of work Arizonians can get jobs mowing lawns, cleaning houses, picking fruit and washing dishes.

Or we'll watch AZ scramble to try to find someone to do these minimum wage jobs and the economy will suffer.

We'll see.....


If those businesses can not find citizens to do those jobs for minimum wage then logic would dictate that minimum wage is not enough to do those jobs. And even if they can not find any citizens to work those jobs no matter how high they raise the pay or what benefits they include, there is a legal means for an employer to employ foreign workers(of course they means paying that migrant worker what the national wage is for that job. So this boo hoo we won't be able to find any workers to replace illegals is a load of crap.

H-2A Visa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Process of Employment

Employers anticipating a shortage of agricultural workers and in need must apply at least 45 days before certification is necessary. This means an active effort, including newspaper and radio advertising, in areas of expected labor supply. Such recruitment must be at least equivalent to that conducted by non-H-2A agricultural employers in the same or similar crops and area. The employer must agree to give preference and engage in active recruitment of U.S. workers. The H-2A certification is valid for up to 364 days. As temporary or seasonal agricultural employment, the work is performed during certain seasons of the year or for a limited time period of less than one year when the employer can show that the need for the foreign worker is truly temporary. [2]

Before the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) can approve an employer's petition for such workers, the employer must file an application with the U.S. Department of Labor stating that there are not sufficient workers who are able, willing, qualified, and available, and that the employment of aliens will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of similarly employed U.S. workers. The statute and departmental regulations provide for numerous worker protections and employer requirements with respect to wages and working conditions that do not apply to nonagricultural programs. The Department's Employment and Training Administration (ETA) administers the labor certification program, while the Wage and Hour Division, Employment Standards Administration (ESA) has responsibility for enforcing provisions of worker contracts. [3]

In employing a worker, the employer must guarantee to offer each worker employment for at least three-fourths of the workdays in the term of the contract period. If the employer affords less employment, then the employer is obligated to pay the amount of which they would have earned if they had worked the contracted period.

Employing H-2A Workers


Wages

The wage or rate of pay must be the same for U.S. workers and H-2A workers. The hourly rate must also be at least as high as the applicable Adverse Effect Wage Rate (AEWR), federal or state minimum wage, or the applicable prevailing hourly wage rate, whichever is higher. The AEWR is established every year by the Department of Labor for every state except Alaska.

If a worker will be paid on a piece rate basis, the worker must be paid the prevailing piece as determined by the State Workers Agency, or SWA. If the piece rate does not result in average hourly piece rate earnings during the pay period at least equal to the amount the worker would have earned had the worker been paid at the hourly rate, then the worker’s pay must be supplemented to the equivalent hourly level. The piece rate offered must be no less than what is prevailing in the area for the same crop and/or activity. [4]
 
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I see a lot of yellow lawns and green pools in Arizona's future. Fast food is sure to slow down too.
 
If those businesses can not find citizens to do those jobs for minimum wage then logic would dictate that minimum wage is not enough to do those jobs. And even if they can not find any citizens to work those jobs no matter how high they raise the pay or what benefits they include, there is a legal means for an employer to employ foreign workers(of course they means paying that migrant worker what the national wage is for that job. So this boo hoo we won't be able to find any workers to replace illegals is a load of crap.

It's always been a load of crap.
I'm pretty liberal on immigration but when it comes to guest worker programs and things of that nature I get steamed.

This has been going on for so long that the prevailing wage for some of these industries has been dropped to minimum wage.
Industries will exploit the guest worker programs to hell.

I checked my states Department of Labor job board to find some part time work and the veggie/fruit picker pay has gone down.
It used to be in the mid to upper $8, now it's at minimum wage.
That is some real ass busting work.
 
I see a lot of yellow lawns and green pools in Arizona's future. Fast food is sure to slow down too.
Niggling lil problem with that bromide is that most "fast food" is a corporate endeavor and most certainly not hiring illegal immigrants. Thanks be to God that the sacrifice of green pools and yellow lawns (most lawns I have seen in AZ are pebble or of the colorful rock variety or completely free of grass) is a truly tolerable one compared to the billions of dollars in cost and effect that illegal immigration has upon the US and this state. Somehow I suspect all three situations (oh the horror!:roll:) won't last too long.

But there you have it folks, we better not enforce actual immigration laws, because of yellow lawns and green pools and fast food! Talk about priorities.:doh
 
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Look if they are illegals then they deserve to and need to go home. So if this flawed law has managed to get rid of illegals that is a good thing. As long as legall permanent residents and naturalized immigrants are not bothered then fine.

if it illegals going by bye then I say good go and go quickkly and go in large numbers. It's that simple !!!
If legal immigrants are bothered, that's their problem. Maybe they have something hide.
 
To the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies theme.

The Ballad Of Paco Gomez

Come and listen to a story about 'ol Paco
A poor eeleegal, that was in a bit if a hassle,
He found one day while steal'in someone's yob,
That the law man said you're doin somethi'in wrong.

Break'in the Illegal immigration law that is
You're now a criminal here
In our great state of Arizona

Well the first thing you know Paco's moved his ass,
His 14 kids said "iss a too dangerous in dis plass man"
Said "Mehiko is where I wanna be"
So they loaded up the truck and moved to NYC.

Bloomberg Hills that is.
Friend of illegals.
Health care, education and NY ID's for free.

Well now it's time to leave the 'ol AZ.
And move our ass to Bloomberg NYC.
We ain't comm'in back to this locality
Because we love Bloomberg's NY hospitality

Dumb**** gringo ee is man. And Presidente toooo man. Now we're bring'in even more family man.

We have not com'in back now, not to a stink'in Mehiko or Arizona maaaan... y'hear?

.
 
Simple really.
It would all be over in a few days- after they raided ie, the biggest 50 restaurants in LA, etc.
I live in NYC and the cleaner across the street is ALL Mexican illegals.
The Diner next to them.. the same.
And so it goes.

Nice to see what a real minimum wage would look like too. Probably more like $10 without the phony huge illegal pool, and before our college kids take what will then become decent jobs.
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And don't forget the painters and construction workers, restaurant delivery bicyclists, chicken-factory employees, strawberry pickers, etc.

These jobs will either have to start paying livable wages - or the jobs will vanish.

While we're at it, lets put a 1,000-percent tax on Walmart to force it to end its practice of purchasing Chinese-made product.

Prices will definitely rise over time - but so will wages, at long last. Employers will have to actually pay what the market will bear, as opposed to simply just importing more illegal aliens to "take jobs no american would want."

Of course they don't want them - who TF is going to do back-breaking labor for $5/hour, when the cushy banker jobs in suits and in air-conditioned offices pay 10 times more? The reality is that the 2 should be reversed, where the hard-to-fill, more strenuous jobs pay more than the cushy office jobs, that's the way a market economy is supposed to work.
 
It's always been a load of crap.
I'm pretty liberal on immigration but when it comes to guest worker programs and things of that nature I get steamed.

This has been going on for so long that the prevailing wage for some of these industries has been dropped to minimum wage.
Industries will exploit the guest worker programs to hell.

I checked my states Department of Labor job board to find some part time work and the veggie/fruit picker pay has gone down.
It used to be in the mid to upper $8, now it's at minimum wage.
That is some real ass busting work.

This is why I believe every avenue(significant wage increases and benefits increases,bringing in workers from other cities and states and etc) should be sought out first before a company is allowed to import workers. Migrant workers should not be used as a tool to subvert wages, nor should American workers have to compete with imported workers.
But regardless of such it is still a lie by pro-illegals that farmers,construction companies can't find legal workers or that we need to relax the rules of migrant work visas.
 
And don't forget the painters and construction workers, restaurant delivery bicyclists, chicken-factory employees, strawberry pickers, etc.

Legal workers do those jobs in a lot of states.Its not like white people,black people and what ever else just suddenly became lazy or thought that such work was beneath them(as a lot of libs think.).

These jobs will either have to start paying livable wages - or the jobs will vanish.

Trying to run a business when you can not afford legal workers makes as much sense as buying a $300,000 dollar home when you are single and flip burgers at McDonalds.

While we're at it, lets put a 1,000-percent tax on Walmart to force it to end its practice of purchasing Chinese-made product.

I believe outsourcing should be discouraged and that tariffs should be increased enough to discourage outsourcing. I am not sure if a 1000% percent tax would be needed.


Of course they don't want them - who TF is going to do back-breaking labor for $5/hour, when the cushy banker jobs in suits and in air-conditioned offices pay 10 times more?
The reality is that the 2 should be reversed, where the hard-to-fill, more strenuous jobs pay more than the cushy office jobs, that's the way a market economy is supposed to work.

I agree. Mostly because companies/business should have to offer competitive wages to attract legal U.S. workers. They should not be allowed to circumvent this by hire illegals or importing legal migrant workers. Supply and demand is a two way street.
 
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