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Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

Cardinal said:
Why don't you answer anything straightforwardly?
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I did. I answered as straighforwardsly as possible.
Where did I say that one of the tenets of Christianity is that homosexuality is a sin?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
So, a set belief about homosexuality isn't a core aspect of Christianity.
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This may or may not be true -- but, for it to be true, you have to describe the tenets of Christianity to their full extent and show that what you described is, indeed, the full extent of those tenets.
 
Goobieman said:
I did. I answered as straighforwardsly as possible.
Where did I say that one of the tenets of Christianity is that homosexuality is a sin?
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When I said what I was told what constituted Chistianity, you didn't have a problem with it, but then in the next post went on to imply that the full tenets of Christianity were more in depth on the matter, so I asked where the tenets were listed, especially the ones that would shed more light on homosexuality. If you didn't imply this, then why did you bring the tenets up?
 
Goobieman said:
This may or may not be true -- but, for it to be true, you have to describe the tenets of Christianity to their full extent and show that what you described is, indeed, the full extent of those tenets.
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Okay, I've stopped caring what you think.
 
Cardinal said:
When I said what I was told what constituted Chistianity, you didn't have a problem with it...
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My statement that what you said was 'all well and good", it was in reference to you stating your admittedly confused opinion on the matter. I am certainly not going to tell you your religious beliefs are wrong, but to not disagree with you in no way necessitates that I agree what you said is factually correct.

but then in the next post went on to imply that the full tenets of Christianity were more in depth on the matter
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I said that "...you also need to consider if what you said is fully inclusive of all the tenets of Christianity". This implies nothing, it states openly that you need to consider the possibility that Christianity includes more than just that rather than simply assume what you stated is indeed the entirety of Christian tenets. Don't you agree?
 
Goobieman said:
My statement that what you said was 'all well and good", it was in reference to you stating your admittedly confused opinion on the matter. I am certainly not going to tell you your religious beliefs are wrong, but to not disagree with you in no way necessitates that I agree what you said is factually correct.


I said that "...you also need to consider if what you said is fully inclusive of all the tenets of Christianity". This implies nothing, it states openly that you need to consider the possibility that Christianity includes more than just that rather than simply assume what you stated is indeed the entirety of Christian tenets. Don't you agree?
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I think if someone were to respond to your questions as you've responded to mine you'd have given up on him by now, as I'm now doing with you.
 
ow my head hurts trying to keep up with this thread:confused:

I always thought that the only tenet of "Christianity" was belief in God and that Jesus Christ, son of God, died for our sins. The rest of the Bible is pretty much open to interpretation, which is why there are so many different sects of Christian believers. (I.E. those who believe homosexuality is something horrible and unforgivable and they're going to hell....and those who believe its a sin just like any other...and those who don't believe its a sin at all)Then there are religions that don't follow the Bible, who normally don't identify themselves as Christians, but as other things.

I guess my question is...as I am still confused...who said there are other tenets of Christianity and what are they?????
 
Objective Voice said:
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them [men] have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Similar wording is found in 1 Corinthians 6 -

9.Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived : neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10.Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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Right. There it is. (Thanks)
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
The central tenets of the Christian faith don't revolve around actions that are or are not a sin. They are affirmative beliefs, not lists of forbidden activities. Sin is between individual believers and God.
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+1, QFT, thank you.


When Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment was, he said all commandments hung on two things:

"Love the Lord thy God with all your mind/heart/soul, and love your neighbor as yourself". (slightly paraphrased for brevity.)


Are there some, like the Phelps clan perhaps, who are obsessive about homosexuality and sin? Yes, but most of us are not that monomaniacal.
 
When will homophobes learn to mind their own damn biz? I am guessing never
 
Goshin said:
+1, QFT, thank you.


When Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment was, he said all commandments hung on two things:

"Love the Lord thy God with all your mind/heart/soul, and love your neighbor as yourself". (slightly paraphrased for brevity.)


Are there some, like the Phelps clan perhaps, who are obsessive about homosexuality and sin? Yes, but most of us are not that monomaniacal.
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Which is one of the main problems I have with many evangelicals today. They forget to love those around them... they focus on sin, not love.
 
ludahai said:
Huh .. are you talking in the context of this article? What, preachers can't comment on their religious beliefs when asked?
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It was a general comment about some of the homophobic comments in this thread. Sorry:(
 
Kali said:
It was a general comment about some of the homophobic comments in this thread. Sorry:(
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Just clarifying... because people DO have the right to their religious beliefs, and I hope you don't think everyone who thinks homosexuality is a sin is a homophobe...
 
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ludahai said:
Just clarifying... because people DO have the right to their religious beliefs, and I hope you don't think everyone who thinks homosexuality is a sin is a homophobe...
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People have the right to think whatever they want but when it gets to the point of nasty and not thinking of the others rights? That is where it becomes homophobic. Sure: people have the right to think it is a sin and I have every right to find them a homophobe if they are up in someones biz thinking loving someone else is a sin.
 
Kali said:
People have the right to think whatever they want but when it gets to the point of nasty and not thinking of the others rights? That is where it becomes homophobic. Sure: people have the right to think it is a sin and I have every right to find them a homophobe if they are up in someones biz thinking loving someone else is a sin.
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Of course we don't know the exact circumstances, but if you THINK someone is a homophobe it doesn't make them a homophobe. People like to throw words around without thinking of what they mean or the implications behind them. Do I think homosexuality is a sin? yes. Do I think people who are homosexual should be harassed or have their civil rights taken away from them? Of course not. Does that make me a homophobe?
 
ludahai said:
Which is one of the main problems I have with many evangelicals today. They forget to love those around them... they focus on sin, not love.
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Funny how many "Christians" are so focused on what others are doing and not doing.....others sins..... that they forget that. If we would all worry more about our own lives and what WE are doing and how WE are living, life would be soooo much simpler.
 
ludahai said:
Just clarifying... because people DO have the right to their religious beliefs, and I hope you don't think everyone who thinks homosexuality is a sin is a homophobe...
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I simply do not understand why a lot of Christians focus on homosexuality being a sin. Their own Holy Book says that everyone is imperfect and everyone I have met has at least committed some sort of sin. So if we are all sinners, why is it the gays that get demonized? :thinking
 
EgoffTib said:
I simply do not understand why a lot of Christians focus on homosexuality being a sin. Their own Holy Book says that everyone is imperfect and everyone I have met has at least committed some sort of sin. So if we are all sinners, why is it the gays that get demonized? :thinking
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The same reason a kleptomaniac would get "demonized" for committing theft.
 
Jerry said:
The same reason a kleptomaniac would get "demonized" for committing theft.
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I guess you are not familiar with the phrase "hate the sin, love the sinner." By your logic, all Christians should be demonizing every single person they encounter for their transgressions against God.
 
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