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Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

Goobieman said:
As I said -- a designer defition, not related to an -actual- phobia.
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You can say it till you are blue in the face but it doesn't make you correct. The actual definition includes contempt or aversion. Also, that does nothing to speak to the modern usage of the entire word and not just the root word.

You're still wrong. Learn to live with it or change.
 
jallman said:
The American Heritage dictionary is an authoritative source. Also was the very first one I came across.
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Funny how it is the only one that supports you, while numerous others do not.
Why do you -choose- to ignore those?

I didn't make you wrong.
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You're right -- because I am right.
Not much I -can- do about that.
 
Goobieman said:
Funny how it is the only one that supports you,
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I don't know what you want me to do about you being wrong. If you figure out a plan for remedying the situation, let me know, but until then, you just have to learn to live with being wrong. :shrug:
 
jallman said:
You can say it till you are blue in the face but it doesn't make you correct.
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No.... being correct, as proven, makes me correct.
Nothing you or I can do about that.
 
jallman said:
I don't know what you want me to do about you being wrong. If you figure out a plan for remedying the situation, let me know, but until then, you just have to learn to live with being wrong. :shrug:
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I'm sorry that you simply cannot admit the clear and present truth of the situation, that you have cherry-picked a definition on the sole basis that you like that defintion, and have similarly chosen to ignore all of the authoritative definitions that show you are wrong.

Nothing I can do about you willfully choosing to be wrong, and since you -choose- to be wrong, there's no reason for me to continue to illustrate this to you.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Sure I did! I agreed that homosexuality is a sin...nothing more.
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Do you agree that it is an abomination?

Don't presume to know my religious convictions just because you've read a few posts by me. I'm a long way from being as you say...a religious "fundamentalist". People who start religious cults are religious fundamentalist (not to mention nuts cases). I'm a long way from being cultish.
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I totally believe you. ;) Maybe if you protest some more, I'll believe you even more.
 
Goobieman said:
I'm sorry that you simply cannot admit the clear and present truth of the situation, that you have cherry-picked a definition on the sole basis that you like that defintion, and have similarly chosen to ignore all of the authoritative definitions that show you are wrong.

Nothing I can do about you willfully choosing to be wrong, and since you -choose- to be wrong, there's no reason tfor me to continue to illustrate this to you.
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Do you hear that, Jall? There is nothing more that Goobie can do for you. :mrgreen:
 
Goobieman said:
I'm sorry that you simply cannot admit the clear and present truth of the situation,
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I admitted that you were wrong, I demonstrated that you were wrong, and offered to help alleviate your affliction. But you must help yourself first.

There's nothing else I can do for you until you want to be right. You have to want it. Right now, you seem content with being wrong. That's your choice.
 
jallman said:
I admitted that you were wrong, I demonstrated that you were wrong, and offered to help alleviate your affliction. But you must help yourself first.

There's nothing else I can do for you until you want to be right. You have to want it. Right now, you seem content with being wrong. That's your choice.
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Do you think there is a dictionary 12 step program somewhere out there? If so, I can think of at least 2 posters who need it.
 
I was curios, so I decided to see what Wiki said about [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia]Homophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame].

Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people identified or perceived as being homosexual. Definitions[1][2][3] refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear.
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Catz Part Deux said:
Do you agree that it (homosexuality) is an abomination?
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In the eyes of God...yes. He has an extreme dislike for those who have sexual relations with members of the same sex.

Do I believe there are people out there who truly have an extreme dislike for homosexuals? Yes.

Do I? No.

Do I agree with the lifestyle? No.

Do I condemn homosexuals for the lifestyle they lead? No.

It's their choice to live how they want to live. I choose not to condone the lifestyle nor participate in it. But I certainly don't go around telling people who live that lifestyle they're an abomination to God or anyone else. Now, if someone who is a homosexual should ask my opinion, I'd say to them exactly what I've said herein, but I would leave them to lead their life as they see fit. Maybe I would encourage them to change their behavior, but I wouldn't force my opinon upon them nor would I look down at them for it.

Hate the sin, not the sinner.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Do you think there is a dictionary 12 step program somewhere out there? If so, I can think of at least 2 posters who need it.
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Well the first step would be learning to ****ing read. Then I the other 11 would be easy for them.
 
Goobieman said:
As I said -- a designer defition, not related to an -actual- phobia.
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Yes, it's a designer definition. A definition designed for the word it's defining. :doh

We should just make a 'battle of the dictionaries' forum for a couple of the members here.
 
Goobieman said:
I could have only 'skipped over' that 'second defintion' if said defintion were present in any of the cites I presented. That it was not defeats your point and reinforces mine.

But wait - here's more:
-combining form extreme or irrational fear or dislike of a specified thing:
AskOxford: -phobia

-an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
Phobia - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

-An unreasonable sort of fear that can cause avoidance and panic. Phobias are a relatively common type of anxiety disorder.
Phobia definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms easily defined on MedTerms

-A phobia is an intense but unrealistic fear that can interfere with the ability to socialize, work, or go about everyday life, brought on by an object, event or situation.
Phobias - definition of Phobias in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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Interesting how none of these defintions include in any way the terms 'dislike' or 'contempt'.
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Well except for one that ... does. :shock:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Do you have a quote of what the preacher said? And the volume at which it was said? Please share. I can't help but feel you are witholding information.

I was referring to the verses provided by Objective Voice which did in fact use the term as justification for why homosexuality is a sin.
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No you were referring to the preacher. You know, the subject of the OP.

Your dancing is atrocious. They quote him IN the article.

It is amusing how you deny talking about the preacher then demand his exact words be produced as a rebuttal.

No abomination reference. You've been busted again making up information.
 
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I would say homosexuality is a "sin of the flesh" just like being promiscuous, a drunk, an adulterer etc.

Basically as the bible describes it when you give into "the pleasure of the flesh" you become more full of "jealousies, rages, conceit, lies, etc. etc." and society is worse for it.

That doesn't mean anyone should be harassing and condemning gay people, in fact, that is more of a sin IMO than being gay.

Is that really an arguable point? I see it as a "truth" aside from the bible personally, its more psychology than anything.
 
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SingleCellOrganism said:
That doesn't mean anyone should be harassing and condemning gay people, in fact, that is more of a sin IMO than being gay.
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I don't believe that being gay is a sin, because I don't believe in the concept of sin. However, I do wish that more Christians saw it like you've stated it here. Unfortunately, even on this board, you're probably in the minority.
 
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