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Christian preacher arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin

and in the military.

Does not apply to what we are talking about. When you enter the military you are under the UCMJ, not the Constitution.
 
We are talking the US civilian laws only. It is also criminal under the UCMJ, but it again does not apply.

Thanks anyway bud.

The post bringing it up did NOT make this clear, and the situation we are talking about happened OUTSIDE the U.S. Some Americans need to realize that the entire world does NOT revolve around the United States. There is a worse "Middle Kingdom" complex there than there is in China.
 
The post bringing it up did NOT make this clear, and the situation we are talking about happened OUTSIDE the U.S.

We were not talking about England. It was fairly clear.

Some Americans need to realize that the entire world does NOT revolve around the United States.

And some off worlders need to realize when people talk generally, they are talking about where they live. :roll:

There is a worse "Middle Kingdom" complex there than there is in China.

Because talking about something that happened overseas in the context of where you live is so middle kingdom. :doh
 
We were not talking about England. It was fairly clear.

Except that the instance in the OP was clearly in the UK


And some off worlders need to realize when people talk generally, they are talking about where they live. :roll:

And I was talking about where I live. Have a problem with that?


Because talking about something that happened overseas in the context of where you live is so middle kingdom. :doh

Another example of taking a statement out of context. Thanks for playing.
 
There are heterosexual activities that most Christians also regard as sins.

Of course, no one actually answered the point I made about homophobia and what makes some a homophobe...

Yes, but neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality are activities, they are simply drives inherent to our beings. You and I may well feel an attraction to a beautiful female, and the urge to act on that attraction. I expect a homosexual guy has an equivalent attraction to someone he sees as a beautiful male, and an urge to act on the attraction. Neither urge is inherently wrong or 'sinful'.

I'm not sure quite what point you made about homophobia, but true homophobia (a fear of homosexuals and homosexuality,) must logically stem from something which puts one's own sexuality and self concepts under threat.

Someone who is entirely confident in his own heterosexuality may not understand homosexual feelings, but he will not feel in any way threatened by homosexuality, or displays of affection by people of the same gender. Such overt displays may make people feel uncomfortable (they make me feel uncomfortable if they are too obvious,) but that is simply because we are creatures who are used to societal conditioning - that is certainly so in my case.

I am simply not used to seeing two males act towards each other in a way commonly observed between the sexes. But that does not make their behaviour in any way morally questionable, the problem lies with me - not with them. I have no doubt that as I see more of life, such feelings of discomfort will dissipate.

So, in my opinion, a true homophobe is someone who is so unsure of his own sexuality, that he feels threatened by the concept of homosexuality. It is a case of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks!" :mrgreen:
 
Yes, but neither heterosexuality nor homosexuality are activities, they are simply drives inherent to our beings. You and I may well feel an attraction to a beautiful female, and the urge to act on that attraction. I expect a homosexual guy has an equivalent attraction to someone he sees as a beautiful male, and an urge to act on the attraction. Neither urge is inherently wrong or 'sinful'.

But ACTING on said urges IS sinful.

I'm not sure quite what point you made about homophobia, but true homophobia (a fear of homosexuals and homosexuality,) must logically stem from something which puts one's own sexuality and self concepts under threat.

I actually wasn't trying to make any point on homophobia except that it is often used by liberals to paint conservatives who disagree with them on this subject.
 
The post bringing it up did NOT make this clear, and the situation we are talking about happened OUTSIDE the U.S. Some Americans need to realize that the entire world does NOT revolve around the United States. There is a worse "Middle Kingdom" complex there than there is in China.

I agree with your sentiments on this matter in general, Ludahai. There is a regrettable tendency on the part of a number of Americans to speak of everything in the US context, and to disregard the fact that this is an international forum. I accept the fact that the majority of posters here are from the USA, but that does not negate the need to be region specific. It is both a matter of common sense, and common courtesy. :)
 
Except that the instance in the OP was clearly in the UK

And the UK ****ed up. Infringed upon one of the most basic of all rights, that of religious expression. That's that.
 
actually i disagree. I think it would lead to Church Revival; becoming more like unto and more accepting of the World has weakened us and made us less appealing.

that is true. but like cupcakes and sitting on the couch; that which is easiest in the short term is most damaging in the long.

I agree completely. The church has abdicated its role as salt/light.
 
Actually, the Church DOES speak about those other sins. Have you ever been to Mass and hear a priest's homily?

Only rarely, I'm protestant. And no, those sins weren't addressed when I attended mass.
 
Except that the instance in the OP was clearly in the UK.

We were not talking about the OP. I explained this, and you chose to get all butt hurt.

And I was talking about where I live. Have a problem with that?

No, but Taiwan law has no bearing on what either of us were saying.

Another example of taking a statement out of context. Thanks for playing.

Not really. It is a perfect example of what you said not applying in any way.
 
"police community support officer" has a nice Orwellian ring to it.

They couldn't just give him the title of "Police officer" no?

I can't believe the dude got arrested for this. :rofl:
 
They couldn't just give him the title of "Police officer" no?

I can't believe the dude got arrested for this. :rofl:

No, they couldn't. The PCSO is not a police officer, but uniformed support, lacking many of the powers of a police officer. That's why the preacher was arrested by police officers and not the PCSO.
In the UK, section five of the Public Order Act is more often applied to noisy drunks, swearing and shouting and causing a disturbance. The police will tolerate so much, but eventually will offer a warning to the effect that enough is enough, and the next occurrence will result in an arrest.
It appears that this stage was reached with the preacher, and in the face of the warning, he chose to push his luck, safe in the knowledge that he could claim he was a martyr for his faith. The police called his bluff, and now a jury of his peers will decide the issue.
 
But ACTING on said urges IS sinful.

First off, you said 'homosexuality' was sinful. To my simple mind, homosexuality is the state of being homosexual, and does not imply homosexual acts.

Secondly, I included heterosexual urges which we all have, and you seem to be saying that acting upon all such urges is sinful. So whenever I have sex with some chick I am committing a sin? Who knew? :shock:

I actually wasn't trying to make any point on homophobia except that it is often used by liberals to paint conservatives who disagree with them on this subject.

You will need to be clearer than that. To paint conservatives as what - conservatives? Hardly a necessary characterisation if they are already admitted conservatives. :2wave:
 
Don't hate us because we're awesome. After all, if there were no us, you'd be posting from the People's Republic of China. Or rather, NOT posting.

Perhaps the U.S. would actually get consistent and recognize Taiwan rather then continue the hypocrisy of recognizing the illegal declaration of Kosovo.
 
Christian denominations and homosexuality



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.... I guess none of these people are 'Christians'....
Read Revelation, and you'll find out Jesus doesn't think many are Christian either.
 
Read Revelation, and you'll find out Jesus doesn't think many are Christian either.

I can't believe that 12,000 people from Philadelphia are going to heaven. :lol:
 
We don't have a problem with it, but we don't particularly care what is happening in Taiwan. You're largely irrelevant to us.
Wow catz. That's a good way to make friends :/ How right-wing of you.
 
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