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Tens of thousands across U.S. protest Arizona immigration law

F107HyperSabr said:
People may interpret things diferently. I may see things diferently than you and you see things diferently than me. ?
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There is a difference between interpretation and blatantly lying. The pro-illegals are blatantly lying about what the bill does. Even before the modification the bill did not allow police to walk up to anyone to prove their legal status. This has been explained over and over again. LAWFUL CONTACT must first be made, that means you must be pulled over for speeding or some other traffic violation, that means DUI checks and other forms of lawful police contact. The pro-illegals are blatantly lying about what the bill does in order to demonize it.

The founding fathers had that all figured out that is why they created the Supremes and the Supremes have that great hit called InTerPreTaTion !!!

So in a 5 to 4 decision are you saying that the 4 who voted that way are liars
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Most of that stuff does not need interpretation it just needs to be taken literally and what the intentions were when each of those amendments were written, not some BS modern interpretation.
 
Chappy said:
It kind of puts the other better covered protests of late in perspective; tens of thousands of people across the nation in the streets demanding immigration reform. It's time for reform!

See also: “5 Myths about immigration” By Doris Meissner, The Washington Post, Sunday, May 2, 2010
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[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAaBgMmSrJo"]YouTube- Glenn Beck's History of Illegal Immigration[/nomedia]
 
Wow... a lot of people in the country are apparently willing to believe blatant lies about this law, and/or make up the lies about this law, and/or completely misunderstand this law, and/or don't have a ****ing clue what they're protesting.

I see most of them protesting a non-existent law. I say let them tilt at windmills while the rest of us get on with our lives with nought but a chuckle at them.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
As a legal immigrant I am of course in favor of an intelligent, safe, and fair immigration laws. I have always advocated the strict control of our borders.
As an American citizen I do not want to be treated diferently than any other American citizen just becasue I came here after I was born and was not aware that I should have selected American born parents before I was born. How stupid of me!!!
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This doesn't make any sense at all. If you are legally here, how have you been treated differently than any other American? My parents were born in Germany, how will I be treated differently? No authority has every treated me different.
 
Botom line is this.... if you're not legally allowed to be in America, for whatever reason, you have no business being there. Period.
 
bryann380 said:
Botom line is this.... if you're not legally allowed to be in America, for whatever reason, you have no business being there. Period.
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That's mostly true, but again, writing laws we won't enforce doesn't really help that much.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, laws aren't the problem. The will to enforce them is.
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So illegals have no will of their own?

The illegals are the problem. They force the law to be enacted. Personal responsibility
 
I get what he's saying to a point.

There's little point at this moment of putting more laws into place on a national level becasue the ones we have aren't being enforced. Its one of those things if you "ground" your kid and he just ignores it and leaves the house anyways will "grounding" him again do any good if you don't stick to it any better than the initial time?

The federal government clearly doesn't have the will to be tough about immigration laws right now and enforcing the ones we have, so adding more laws nationally will do no good.

Where I disagree with him is with regards to Arizona. See, while you may say the country as a whole doesn't have a strong enough will for the laws to be enacted, I would say it'd be a VERY difficult argument to say those on the border states don't. Arizona adding a law on top of federal law IS different, because its not relying on the Fed's to enforce the law. They are actually taking matters into their own hands because the federal government has utterly and completely failed them at doing its job.

Its precisely the governments pathetic efforts at enforcing current existing law that is causing situations like in Arizona. The "law" isn't the problem, he's right, we have decent law (it could be better). Its the enforcing of it. We could have the greatest, most perfect immigration law ever....if the people who are supposed to enforce it don't then it'd be as meaningless as what we currently have.
 
texmaster said:
So illegals have no will of their own?

The illegals are the problem. They force the law to be enacted. Personal responsibility
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That response makes little sense to me. People will always try to better their lives. So, while I agree people choose to break laws, some in understandable ways and others not so much, it has nothing to do with what I said. We, our leaders, have no will to enforce the laws we have. There are plenty of laws on the books to address this problem, but we don't enforce them. I would be surprised if we enforced these. It's all mostly show, and it will back fire on those who passed it. And this has nothing to do with any feeling at all about illegals, which I agree should not be here.
 
Zyphlin said:
I get what he's saying to a point.

There's little point at this moment of putting more laws into place on a national level becasue the ones we have aren't being enforced. Its one of those things if you "ground" your kid and he just ignores it and leaves the house anyways will "grounding" him again do any good if you don't stick to it any better than the initial time?

The federal government clearly doesn't have the will to be tough about immigration laws right now and enforcing the ones we have, so adding more laws nationally will do no good.

Where I disagree with him is with regards to Arizona. See, while you may say the country as a whole doesn't have a strong enough will for the laws to be enacted, I would say it'd be a VERY difficult argument to say those on the border states don't. Arizona adding a law on top of federal law IS different, because its not relying on the Fed's to enforce the law. They are actually taking matters into their own hands because the federal government has utterly and completely failed them at doing its job.

Its precisely the governments pathetic efforts at enforcing current existing law that is causing situations like in Arizona. The "law" isn't the problem, he's right, we have decent law (it could be better). Its the enforcing of it. We could have the greatest, most perfect immigration law ever....if the people who are supposed to enforce it don't then it'd be as meaningless as what we currently have.
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Fair enough. Where we differ is that I don't think states have the will either. In fact, I would argue the problem is even more local than that. Those who do business in a community need the cheap labor, local officials know this, so they turn a blind eye and don't enforce very few laws.
 
Boo Radley said:
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That response makes little sense to me. People will always try to better their lives. So, while I agree people choose to break laws, some in understandable ways and others not so much, it has nothing to do with what I said. We, our leaders, have no will to enforce the laws we have. There are plenty of laws on the books to address this problem, but we don't enforce them. I would be surprised if we enforced these. It's all mostly show, and it will back fire on those who passed it. And this has nothing to do with any feeling at all about illegals, which I agree should not be here.
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The difference this time is that the state is holding itself accountable and not putting blind faith in the federal government to do its job.
 
texmaster said:
The difference this time is that the state is holding itself accountable and not putting blind faith in the federal government to do its job.
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I wouldn't put too much faith in that. Again, this is usually ignored at a local level.

But if it doesn't fix things, what next?
 
ludahai said:
I have no problem with legal immigrants, but ILLEGAL immigrants have no right to be in the United States and the only rights they DO have is to be humanely deported back to the country of their origin.
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Better yet, a one way ticket to Washington, D.C. Let our elected politicians deal with them...
 
RyrineaHaruno said:
You do know Biometric_passport are a little bit different. They are to make sure that a person is who he says he is. The reason I am against the law in Arizona is because I think it will give polices more thing to harasses people about. Plus, I also think it is kind of a stupid law myself.
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The new federal immigration legislation will require biometric ID's.
It's being sold as a method of stopping illegal labor but it doesn't work when an employer purposefully hires illegal labor.
 
Boo Radley said:
I wouldn't put too much faith in that. Again, this is usually ignored at a local level.

But if it doesn't fix things, what next?
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Remember they can be sued for ignoring it as well.
 
texmaster said:
Remember they can be sued for ignoring it as well.
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We'll see how well that actually holds up. I predict 10 years from now, we'll have the exact same complaints with no improvement. Mark that down. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
We'll see how well that actually holds up. I predict 10 years from now, we'll have the exact same complaints with no improvement. Mark that down. ;)
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Marked! :D

And you could very well be right

How does it feel? Being "right"? Pretty good huh :D :D
 
Meanwhile, back in Phoenix, Arizona.......................

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Now THAT's an interesting way to protest this law. LOL.
 
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danarhea said:
Meanwhile, back in Phoenix, Arizona.......................

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Now THAT's an interesting way to protest this law. LOL.
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Excerpted from “Suns to wear ‘Los Suns’ jerseys for Game 2” By BOB BAUM, AP Sports Writer, YAHOO! Sports, 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
[SIZE="+2"]T[/SIZE]he Phoenix Suns will wear “Los Suns” on their jerseys in Game 2 of the Western Conference semifinals on Wednesday night, owner Robert Sarver said, “to honor our Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of Arizona, and our nation.”

The decision to wear the jerseys on the Cinco de Mayo holiday stems from a law passed by the Arizona Legislature and signed by Gov. Jan Brewer that has drawn widespread criticism from Latino organizations and civil rights groups that say it could lead to racial profiling of Hispanics. President Barack Obama has called the law “misguided.”

Sarver, who was born and raised in Tucson, said frustration with the federal government’s failure to deal with the illegal immigration issue led to the passage of what he called “a flawed state law.” …
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Wow. That's quite a statement coming from a sports team.
 
danarhea said:
Meanwhile, back in Phoenix, Arizona.......................

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Now THAT's an interesting way to protest this law. LOL.
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THis photo came from well before this law was passed, though the Suns will be bringing out the Los Suns jerseys again .. but it will be against the Spurs, not against the long-ago eliminated Knicks.
 
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