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Tens of thousands across U.S. protest Arizona immigration law

I can support immigration reform, as long as the first step is control the borders and stop the flow into the US. Any reform then needs to have harsher penalties for those who enter illegally.
 
Well some people feel that the law especially beore the tweaking can be interpreted to allow profiling.

It doesn't allow for racial profiling, it doesn't even allow police to go up to you and ask for you to prove your status.they have to stop you for speeding or some other offense hence the Lawful Contact part of the bill.

But let's say that someone thinks that !! Ok so how does that make them liars?

When they have been told over and over again it does not so such thing and possibly even shown the bill, it is a lie to say it does something when it does not. The bill is not that long, it is not a bill the feds wrote and it would probably take only two or three post to paste the bill in its entirety.

Now let's discuss the crimnal aspect.

A lot of those people are illegals which is a crime, a lot of those people harbor illegals which is a crime and a lot of those people employ illegals which is a crime.

If the demonstartors has not commited a crime and convicted they are not criminals.
All of those people however a pro-criminals seeing how they are protesting an anti-illegal immigration law.

If they are illegals they are criminals but do we know how many illegals were at the demonstration ?

I didn't say they were all criminals. Some are pro-criminals.

so they were virtually liars, criminals and thieves / oh my
Their lies are not virtual. They deliberately lie to smear Arizona's anti-illegal immigration law. Illegals and pro-illegals do not like such laws and will do what ever they can to demonize such laws.
 
I can support immigration reform, as long as the first step is control the borders and stop the flow into the US. Any reform then needs to have harsher penalties for those who enter illegally.

As a legal immigrant I am of course in favor of an intelligent, safe, and fair immigration laws. I have always advocated the strict control of our borders.
As an American citizen I do not want to be treated diferently than any other American citizen just becasue I came here after I was born and was not aware that I should have selected American born parents before I was born. How stupid of me!!!
 
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But let's say that someone thinks that !! Ok so how does that make them liars?

When they have been told over and over again it does not so such thing and possibly even shown the bill, it is a lie to say it does something when it does not. The bill is not that long, it is not a bill the feds wrote and it would probably take only two or three post to paste the bill in its entirety.


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People may interpret things diferently. I may see things diferently than you and you see things diferently than me. The founding fathers had that all figured out that is why they created the Supremes and the Supremes have that great hit called InTerPreTaTion !!!

So in a 5 to 4 decision are you saying that the 4 who voted that way are liars ?
 
My bad it was the basic human rights they are given Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Sorry about that I had gotten confused a little bit.

Huh.... Why don't you go to China and do your little "moral good" over there and tell me how it went AFTER you get out of prison. And try going there without getting a visa. Gotta follow the analogy that illegal immigrants have every right to live and such.

Illegal aliens are trespassing. Simple as that. They are not supposed to be there. I suspect it can be the same if you want to trespass into the White House. You have human rights. So tell me how it goes for you.
 
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I can support immigration reform, as long as the first step is control the borders and stop the flow into the US. Any reform then needs to have harsher penalties for those who enter illegally.

The Democratic Senate bill has strict border enforcement and a biometric-based national ID for employment enforcement. Some say it could have been written by Republicans. We'll just have to see how the politics plays out.
 
Illegal immigration is a problem. It needs to be cracked down on. Starting with the businesses that use illegals.

Someone coming here legally is cool. It is all the illegal trafficking and the crime that comes with it that is the real problem.
 
Who cares, they're all dirty illegals that hate America. Even if they're not illegal, they're still brown, and I don't like them.

*A parody Post*
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Hummm, their 'BROWN'?
Well boy, a man saved my life in Nam. When I was healing from two bullet wounds someone told me that a guy saved my life. I did something stupid I got mad after a friend of mine from the states was killed. I rushed some ten or more guys in the trees, on ground and elsewhere.
I asked who the guy was and I was told that his name was Eddy Givens.
Later I found him and thanked him.
He lives about 10 miles from me and we get together often.
He is a black man.
Just pray that if you need help from someone like me (a white man) I won't help you cause you are white.
 
They have human rights that were given to them by the Geneva convention.

Then let them have those rights in Mexico. They have no right to be in the United States. Note, I DID day they have the right to be HUMANELY returned to Mexico. What more do they have than that?
 
The numbers kinda put the tea parties to shame don't they?
 
The numbers kinda put the tea parties to shame don't they?

A little thing like jobs and responsibility hinder the ability of gathering large numbers.
 
It's generally true that people with jobs do not have time to protest period. That is why in the sixties and early seventies the anti-war moement was filled with 'students'.

BTW - Where are the Tea Party leaders getting all of the TeasCups to protest ? Are they all laid off Lipton employees ?

Nope. We take time off from our jobs, because we won't have any left if we don't.
 
It kind of puts the other better covered protests of late in perspective; tens of thousands of people across the nation in the streets demanding immigration reform. It's time for reform!

See also: “5 Myths about immigration” By Doris Meissner, The Washington Post, Sunday, May 2, 2010

Ok so I have a question for liberals in general.

Many of you oppose this bill in Arizona, will you also oppose the current immigration bill in Congress which requires citizens to have biometric IDs?
 
The Democratic Senate bill has strict border enforcement and a biometric-based national ID for employment enforcement. Some say it could have been written by Republicans. We'll just have to see how the politics plays out.

Biometric IDs don't stop people who work under the table, nor do they stop employers who don't require them.
 
Biometric IDs don't stop people who work under the table, nor do they stop employers who don't require them.

You do know Biometric_passport are a little bit different. They are to make sure that a person is who he says he is. The reason I am against the law in Arizona is because I think it will give polices more thing to harasses people about. Plus, I also think it is kind of a stupid law myself.
 
This law will never go into effect. The federal government will continue to fail at enforcing our immigration laws and if anyting will grant amnesty to criminal aliens. The border will not be secured and the illegals will continue to flood into our country. Americans will continue to die at the hands of illegals and states will not be able to do a damn thing about it. And all of this increases tentions between the open borders people and the national sovereignty people.

sooner or later somethings gotta give.

and in the mean time Sgt Rock prepares for the inevitable
 
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People are protesting and its about things that I like! We should pay attention to them and think they're great and do what they say! YAY!

:roll:

Anyways, all well and good, we saw this last time this came up major. Who would've imagined, a large amount of people...many (not all) of which are likely criminal by their very presense in this country...are protesting that the Federal Government of the country they're not citizens in grant them amnesty of their crimes and gift them citizenships based on the virtue that so many of them broke the laws.

Wonderful.

To the person saying how this bill could've been written by republicans, etc, and it has border enforcement.

We HAVE border enforcement. We HAVE laws against employing illegals.

I don't give a **** about any Bill that has amnesty + those things. Why? Because why in holy hell am I supposed to believe that the Federal Government is going to enforce NEW laws when they're not enforcing the old.

I will not support any immigration bill that includes a form of amnesty until such a point that this administratin, or whatever future administration, first shows its actually SERIOUS about enforcement and security. It is then, and only then, that I'd be willing to support a candidate and a bill that dealt with those who are breaking our laws and ****ting upon our legal system.
 
I do not hold it against immigrants that they are here illegally. We obviously have the jobs and need the labor or they wouldn't come here. We are the hypocrites for wanting the one without allowing for the other. We have these demands for labor and yet we have an unrealistic immigration strategy.

So what I would like to see is the following:
  1. Create a visa-on-demand program at the border. If someone shows up and passes a terrorist check, give them a 1 year visa automatically.
  2. Provide instructions to get a green card once here with an on-demand visa
  3. Provide all illegal immigrants with an on-demand visa.
  4. If an illegal immigrant is caught in a felony, make em do the time then deport them
  5. If a visa holder or green card holder commits a felony, also make em do the time then deport them
  6. Legalize drugs - this should shutdown border smuggling
  7. Don't worry about the border - this country is not a prison.
 
Ah the tolerant left kicking and punching those they disagree with :roll:

Three people were attacked and at least two others were arrested. The people assaulted were part of the Minutemen demonstration, a group in favor of Arizona's new immigration law.

They said a large group of immigrants' rights supporters followed them to the BART station on Market Street and started punching and kicking them, and calling them names.

"They said we were racists, and we were against them, and against their town, and against San Francisco," said Parker Wilson with the Bay Area National Anarchists. "What they were saying, they said we need to get out and called us racists, and that we need to go home. And then they just attacked my friends and me."




Thousands across Bay Area protest new Arizona immigration law - 5/01/10 - San Francisco News - abc7news.com
 
So much fuss over simply trying to enforce immigration laws?

Other countries enforce THEIR immigration laws, which are more strict than ours, so why can't we enforce ours?

If the fed doesn't get serious about this, citizens of the border states will, the ugly way.
 
"tens of thousands gather to protest"

Oh - now we're suppose to give a **** about what tens of thousands of people oppose in this country?

Tens of thousands of people rallied AGAINST the healthcare bill but the President just made jokes at their expense and turned a blind eye - and passed it anyway.

Tens of thousands of people protested the War in the Middle East but no one cared or made efforts to satisfy them.

Tens of thousands of people have been tortured, kidnapped or their lives otherwise upended because of the actions and decisions of these illegal immigrants in question.

For every ten-thousand who protest this piece of legislature I'm SURE there are MORE who support it.

by following our government's very "American" example - protests numbers in such large groups mean nothing.
 
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This law will never go into effect. The federal government will continue to fail at enforcing our immigration laws and if anyting will grant amnesty to criminal aliens. The border will not be secured and the illegals will continue to flood into our country. Americans will continue to die at the hands of illegals and states will not be able to do a damn thing about it. And all of this increases tentions between the open borders people and the national sovereignty people.

sooner or later somethings gotta give.

and in the mean time Sgt Rock prepares for the inevitable

I would like to hear specifics about this preparation.


As to the topic, what will make this bill any more effective than anything else passed to date? Laws are already on the book that should have seriously curbed illegal immigration, but that haven't. The problem isn't one where another law is needed, but one where we need to find the will to enforce the ones we have already. I see nothing in this bill that actually does this. In fact, I would argue no law written can. It has to do with everyone being willing to enforce the law. If we're not, any law can be ignored.
 
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