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US bans offshore drilling as Deepwater Horizon slick hits land

USA-1 said:
Trivial? Negligible? It's already a third of Exxon Valdez.
This is why I despise right wingers. They don't care about Americans or America. They will destroy the environment for profit.
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And you call yourself independent?
 
American said:
And you call yourself independent?
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I am as about as independent as one can get. I am a fiscally conservative, gun owning, socially liberal, environmentalist. I have voted republican as much as democrat.

Independents have a variety of views. That's what make us independents.
 
USA-1 said:
I am as about as independent as one can get. I am a fiscally conservative, gun owning, socially liberal, environmentalist. I have voted republican as much as democrat.

Independents have a variety of views. That's what make us independents.
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But you DESPISE the right, which is where conservatives are. And btw you're earlier statement about the right is total bull****.
 
USA-1 said:
I am as about as independent as one can get. I am a fiscally conservative, gun owning, socially liberal, environmentalist. I have voted republican as much as democrat.

Independents have a variety of views. That's what make us independents.
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Pft, everyone has a variety of views. Only the kook fringe adhere to any sort of litmus test. You're not as unique as you think you are.
 
Jerry said:
Pft, everyone has a variety of views. Only the kook fringe adhere to any sort of litmus test. You're not as unique as you think you are.
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Compared to the right wingers here I am. I have never seen such a bunch of lock-steppers. They all take exactly the same stance on every issue.
 
USA-1 said:
Compared to the right wingers here I am. I have never seen such a bunch of lock-steppers. They all take exactly the same stance on every issue.
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American, what's your position on gay-marriage?
 
Jerry said:
American, what's your position on gay-marriage?
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I'm sure he supports it.:roll:
Is gay marriage a left wing thing or a freedom thing?
 
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Jerry said:
American, what's your position on gay-marriage?
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I have mixed feelings about it. Personally I don't like placing it on the same level as hetero marriage which is typically sanctified in a religious ceremony. However, I also cannot deny that liberties are not meant to extend to only some citizens. My religious mind is against it, but my belief in the Constitution means it should be allowed. What I hate the most is gay extremists trying to bring their cause into our schools to our children. That's where I draw the line.
 
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Compared to the right wingers here I am. I have never seen such a bunch of lock-steppers. They all take exactly the same stance on every issue.
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American, what's your position on gay-marriage?
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American said:
I have mixed feelings about it. Personally I don't like placing it on the same level as hetero marriage which is typically sanctified in a religious ceremony. However, I also cannot deny that liberties are not meant to extend to only some citizens. My religious mind is against it, but my belief in the Constitution means it should be allowed. What I hate the most is gay extremists trying to bring their cause into our schools to our children. That's where I draw the line.
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I've always argued that 'marriage should be given to anyone who meets the criteria, and only to those who meet the criteria. They can be straight, gay, closly related, arranged...it's all good, imo.

Not every hetero should marry and not every gay couple should marry. I can't support Gay-Marriage™ per-se because I don't think all gay couples are couples who should otherwise marry; but I DO support gays who are raising children to have "marriage". Neither do I support "hetero-marriage" for the same reason. . IMO claiming that they, as a whole identity group, should marry is making broad generalization with a mile wide brush.

IMO the common denominator is a couples intent to serve the purpose of marriage, not what identity group they belong to. If you want to serve the institution, you're in, if not, GTFO.


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The purpose of this tangent was to demonstrate that Conservatives do not walk in lock-step, and that you really can't make an accurate judgment about political groups per-se based off of the content of the single topic of this one thread.

American and agree on this issue, but that doesn't mean we agree on every issue as you claim.

So, ok, you need to go hate on some right-winGers, whatever. Let's just be clear that you aren't accomplishing anything in this thread by doing so.
 
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USA-1 said:
I'm sure he supports it.:roll:
Is gay marriage a left wing thing or a freedom thing?
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If you aren't serving the purpose of marriage, you don't deserve **** from marriage. If you just want some legal buffs for you hubby, cool, we can set that up, no problem...but that's not a marriage. That's you hanging out with your lover, not raising a family.
 
Jerry said:
If you aren't serving the purpose of marriage, you don't deserve **** from marriage. If you just want some legal buffs for you hubby, cool, we can set that up, no problem...but that's not a marriage. That's you hanging out with your lover, not raising a family.
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Marriage has nothing to do with raising a family.
 
USA-1 said:
Marriage has nothing to do with raising a family.
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Other than the fact that raising a family is the purpose of marriage, sure.

Just like how a funeral is always about marking the end of life and language is always about communication, socializing children is the purpose of creating marital ties no matter where you look on the globe, any society, at any point in history. "Cultural Universal", you should Google it.
 
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You are kidding, right?
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No but I think you are.

So, yeah, just got back from drill, we totally SMOKED the other detachments in the competition. I mean we didn't just win, we PWN'd, we ****ing owned their asses in every event. Land-nav, DnC, general knowledge, medical, and I got the best time dismantling/reassembling the M16 with a passing functions check.....we were baddass.

So while I was out being a winner with the Guard this weekend, did the world end?

But no seriously, did they lower the top-hat or insert that tube yet? Any news of any sort?

...technical news, not 'some politician/op-ed/talking-head said ABC' or 'some tree-huger said ZOMG Oh noes!1!!'....anything at least pretending to be semi-intelligent?
 
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the mms is not forthcoming

ap has filed foia, freedom of information act requests

mms keeps changing its answers

and the subsidiary of salazar's interior also "whited out" passages without explanation

by all accounts, "inspections of the rig" were "not as claimed"

indeed, deepwater horizon last year WON A SAFETY AWARD!

AP IMPACT: Fed'l inspections on rig not as claimed - Yahoo! News

Earlier AP investigations have shown that the doomed rig was allowed to operate without safety documentation required by MMS regulations for the exact disaster scenario that occurred; that the cutoff valve which failed has repeatedly broken down at other wells in the years since regulators weakened testing requirements; and that regulation is so lax that some key safety aspects on rigs are decided almost entirely by the companies doing the work.
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this, like goo in the gulf, aint goin away

not obama's katrina, but his chernobyl
 
The Prof said:
the mms is not forthcoming

ap has filed foia, freedom of information act requests

mms keeps changing its answers

and the subsidiary of salazar's interior also "whited out" passages without explanation

by all accounts, "inspections of the rig" were "not as claimed"

indeed, deepwater horizon last year WON A SAFETY AWARD!

AP IMPACT: Fed'l inspections on rig not as claimed - Yahoo! News



this, like goo in the gulf, aint goin away

not obama's katrina, but his chernobyl
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Is it the government job to babysit corporations? I guess the nanny state better start babysitting. Bigger government here it comes.
 
Jerry said:
BBC News - BP says latest scheme to halt US oil leak working well

Oh man, I'm so sorry guys, it looks like they're getting the situation under control. Oh well, so much for 3x/8x Exxon Valdez. Maybe next time we'll have something valid for you get all worked up over.
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It already could be worse than Exxon Valdez. Estimates of the amount oil spewing from the leak have been grossly underestimated.
It's really sad when some people make light of a disaster like this.

http://www.bellona.org/articles/articles_2010/tar_swamp

Oil has been spewing since the rig Deepwater Horizon exploded April 20, killing 11 people and sinking two days later. The government shortly afterward estimated the spill at 210,000 gallons or 5,000 barrels a day, a figure that has since been questioned by some scientists who fear it could be far more. BP executives have stood by the estimate while acknowledging there's no way to know for sure.
 
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USA-1 said:
It already could be worse than Exxon Valdez. Estimates of the amount oil spewing from the leak have been grossly underestimated.
It's really sad when some people make light of a disaster like this.

BP finally confirms spill 10 times worse than thought as tar balls make mainland and bayous buckle down - Bellona

Oil has been spewing since the rig Deepwater Horizon exploded April 20, killing 11 people and sinking two days later. The government shortly afterward estimated the spill at 210,000 gallons or 5,000 barrels a day, a figure that has since been questioned by some scientists who fear it could be far more. BP executives have stood by the estimate while acknowledging there's no way to know for sure.
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The US Coast Guard originally estimated that 5,000 barrels a day was gushing from the broken pipe on the sea floor, but sophisticated scientific analysis of ocean bottom video made available Wednesday by the oil company BP shows that the true figure is closer to 70,000 barrels a day.
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70K, 210K....quite a difference there. Well at least alarmists still have something to cling to. To bad the situation is coming under control, though. I hope your numbers are right so you folks can milk a few votes out of it....hell call Mikel More, maybe he can shoot a "documentary": Diving for Deepwater?
 
Jerry said:
70K, 210K....quite a difference there. Well at least folks have something to cling to. To bad the situation is coming under control, though. I hope your numbers are right so you folks can milk a few votes out of it....hell call Mikel More, maybe he can shoot a "documentary": Diving for Deepwater?
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The US Coast Guard originally estimated that 5,000 barrels a day was gushing from the broken pipe on the sea floor, but sophisticated scientific analysis of ocean bottom video made available Wednesday by the oil company BP shows that the true figure is closer to 70,000 barrels a day.

The figure of 5,000 barrels a day was hastily produced by government scientists in Seattle. It appears to have been calculated using a method that is specifically not recommended for major oil spills.

This means the oil spilling into the Gulf has already far exceeded the equivalent of the 1989 Exxon Valdez tanker accident in Alaska, which spilled at least 250,000 barrels or 11 million gallons of oil. The study was performed by Steve Werely, an associate professor at Purdue University, using a technique called particle image velocimetry.

The method is reported to be accurate within 20 percent, meaning the actual leak is between 56,000 barrles a day and 84,000 barrels a day. As shocking as the news may be, the figures were eventually bound to emerge as being far higher than Coast Guard estimates.
 
USA-1 said:
The US Coast Guard originally estimated that 5,000 barrels a day was gushing from the broken pipe on the sea floor, but sophisticated scientific analysis of ocean bottom video made available Wednesday by the oil company BP shows that the true figure is closer to 70,000 barrels a day.

The figure of 5,000 barrels a day was hastily produced by government scientists in Seattle. It appears to have been calculated using a method that is specifically not recommended for major oil spills.

This means the oil spilling into the Gulf has already far exceeded the equivalent of the 1989 Exxon Valdez tanker accident in Alaska, which spilled at least 250,000 barrels or 11 million gallons of oil. The study was performed by Steve Werely, an associate professor at Purdue University, using a technique called particle image velocimetry.

The method is reported to be accurate within 20 percent, meaning the actual leak is between 56,000 barrles a day and 84,000 barrels a day. As shocking as the news may be, the figures were eventually bound to emerge as being far higher than Coast Guard estimates.
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Mhmm I'm one of those rare members who actually reads sources before responding to a post. Did you have anything new to add? If not, then neither do I atm.
 
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