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Gulf of Mexico spill may hit coast this weekend

SgtRock said:
You really don't give a damn about the enviorment do you. Its people like you that give conservatives a bad name. What a ****ing jerk!
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LaMidRighter said:
Because that's all he has left.:lol:
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Actually, it's all he ever had to begin with.

Any wagers when His Obamaness is going to get off his ass and show up on the scene (if ever)?
 
Coronado said:
Actually, it's all he ever had to begin with.

Any wagers when His Obamaness is going to get off his ass and show up on the scene (if ever)?
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I'll say........four weeks from next Friday.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Really respectful, Jerry. I'm sure the families of the dead workers would really appreciate your attitude, not to mention the people of Texas and Louisiana, many already suffering under the recession, now facing the enormous economic impact that this calamity burdens them with.

Real classy.
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I think you either missed your nap, Jerry, or else had one too many. Maybe it's time to take a break...
 
Coronado said:
I gave you exactly what you asked for. Why are you still whining?
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If I remember your posts pal, it was YOU who was doing all the whining. You tried to bully and got it shoved in your face then ran away with your tail between your legs. :mrgreen:
 
ADK_Forever said:
If I remember your posts pal, it was YOU who was doing all the whining. You tried to bully and got it shoved in your face then ran away with your tail between your legs. :mrgreen:
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Hmm, I'm still here.

It seems you have an extremely poor memory. :shrug:

Now, do you have anything remotely topical to say? Hell, do you have anything to say that is relevant to the plane of reality the rest of us are on? If not, you are free to leave and **** all over some other thread.
 
SgtRock said:
Please, you can not be serious.
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I don't have a lot of time. These should satisfy any curiosity.

The Wall Street Journal reported after the disaster that the rig that exploded lacked a key safety feature required in other countries to limit the enormous amounts of oil currently being pumped into the ocean (emphasis mine):

The U.S. considered requiring a remote-controlled shut-off mechanism several years ago, but drilling companies questioned its cost and effectiveness, according to the agency overseeing offshore drilling...

U.S. regulators have considered mandating the use of remote-control acoustic switches or other back-up equipment at least since 2000. After a drilling ship accidentally released oil, the Minerals Management Service issued a safety notice that said a back-up system is "an essential component of a deepwater drilling system."

...By 2003, U.S. regulators decided remote-controlled safeguards needed more study. A report commissioned by the Minerals Management Service said "acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly."

According to the Journal, the device costs around $500,000. This may seem like a lot of money, until you consider the rig that exploded will cost $560 million to replace and that BP is spending $6 million a day to battle the oil spill. This is how cheap energy gets expensive, and quickly.

That doesn't even bring into play the losses that will undoubtedly be suffered by wildlife, tourism and commercial fishing in the Gulf as a result of the calamity. These costs, often referred to as "externalities" by political economists, rarely show up at the gas pump or on our heating bill.

A ProPublica report details how government regulators failed to require BP to account for externalities in their plans for the now-disastrous project:

One step in the process that oil companies must go through to get approval for drilling involves submitting an exploration plan that lays out worst-case scenarios. The Huffington Post points out that MMS did not require BP — which owns the well that blew up — to file a plan for reacting to a “potential blowout,” meaning an uncontrollable spill. According to The Huffington Post’s reporting, the more limited plan BP filed with MMS predicted that if worse came to worst, a spill would release 162,000 gallons of oil. The Deepwater Horizon spill has already exceeded that prediction.

All too often, opponents of cleaner energy cite cost as a reason not to pursue alternatives to oil, coal and gas. But isn't it time this generation learned the true cost of dirty energy in terms of both lives and treasure?
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Perhaps the government should have required this safety switch off device. Just as Exxon cried out that double-hulled tankers were too expensive and probably wouldn't help prevent disaster anyway just prior to the Valdez' hull being stripped open to the sea, Big Oil said that $500,000 was just too much money to spend on oil rig safety.

This is an echo of the same protests of cost containment we heard from Massey Energy ahead of the explosion that killed 25 in West Virginia. Meanwhile, energy-related deaths continue to mount as a Kentucky mine collapsed this week, claiming two lives.

The Obama Administration has wisely put their latest decision to expand offshore drilling on hold in light of the situation in the Gulf. And perhaps Deepwater Horizon, along with the recent rash of mine deaths, will encourage the Senate to consider an energy plan that would force us to account for the true cost of energy. And just maybe we could get industry to chip in on the bill with their historic profits, instead of with the valuable currency that is workers' lives and our environment.
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If Deepwater Horizon is This Generation's Exxon Valdez, How Long Will it Take Us to Learn the True Cost of Oil? | BuzzFlash.org

Gulf oil spill: latest updates | Environment | guardian.co.uk

t r u t h o u t | Whistleblower: BP Risks More Massive Catastrophes in Gulf

We will be suffering from Bush's raping of this country for many, many years. Where are all the honest, America loving Republicans? When are they going to start complaining about what Don Bush and his thugs did to this country?

Obama has to make more safety features mandatory as well as tightening up oil drilling regulations. Those ****ers don't give a **** about our country or their employees. Businesses do NOT police themselves. Those 11 workers died for oil corporation profits. It's pure and simple.
 
Coronado said:
Hmm, I'm still here.

It seems you have an extremely poor memory. :shrug:

Now, do you have anything remotely topical to say? Hell, do you have anything to say that is relevant to the plane of reality the rest of us are on? If not, you are free to leave and **** all over some other thread.
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It is a waste of time engaging you in a "topical" conversation, or any kind. You have exposed yourself as a bully who hides behind the skirts of the internet and runs away when confronted.

G'nite Francis. :mrgreen:
 
SgtRock said:
At the moment the politics of this leak are not important. Stoping the leaks and doing everything possible to lesson the impact to the ecosystems of the gulf coast should be the top priority.
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That sounds suspiciously like:

"Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who. We are here today to witness the union of two young people in the joyful bond of the holy wedlock."
 
Skateguy said:
The gulf already has hundreds of miles of "dead zones" where nothing can live. That along with flesh eating bacteria, that can do a person in. And with all the poison being dumped into the gulf daily via the Mississippi river, what does a little organic oil hurt? I will not let that water touch my skin, or get in my eyes. It is a very polluted in many areas. .
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You are right. The Mississippi River is a very large effluent canal that flushes (literally) its toilet into the Gulf of Mexico every day. Sewage also pours into the Gulf from Florida and the other Gulf states, and Mexico and Cuba.

My wife and I used to go to the Florida Gulf coast for a weekend occasionally, but it's just too goddam dirty for us anymore. The Gulf is an enormous sewer, with the concentration of impurities increasing every day.

So, maybe some of the guys here on this thread are right. A couple million gallons of oil won't make any real difference. If you pour a little more ****t into a cesspool, who cares. Still smells the same.

http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p2583.pdf
 
ADK_Forever said:
We will be suffering from Bush's raping of this country for many, many years. Where are all the honest, America loving Republicans? When are they going to start complaining about what Don Bush and his thugs did to this country?

Obama has to make more safety features mandatory as well as tightening up oil drilling regulations. Those ****ers don't give a **** about our country or their employees. Businesses do NOT police themselves. Those 11 workers died for oil corporation profits. It's pure and simple.
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I appreciate the articles that you posted, they were interesting. However, the political commentary was hyperbolic and unnecessary. T his is one of those cases where you could have let the story speak for itself.

Unlike you, I actually live on the gulf coast. This spill will impact my area. I'm fully aware of the costs.

Corporations will do what we as a nation require them to do. BP did the minimum that was legally required of them because WE ALL let them. Trying to blame one person for this is absolutely ludicrous and intellectually dishonest.

America is addicted to cheap oil. The leaders of BOTH PARTIES need to use this as an opportunity to force us out of that addiction.

This is not a partisan issue. It's an AMERICAN issue, and we are ALL responsible for it.
 
tryreading said:
You are right. The Mississippi River is a very large effluent canal that flushes (literally) its toilet into the Gulf of Mexico every day. Sewage also pours into the Gulf from Florida and the other Gulf states, and Mexico and Cuba.

My wife and I used to go to the Florida Gulf coast for a weekend occasionally, but it's just too goddam dirty for us anymore. The Gulf is an enormous sewer, with the concentration of impurities increasing every day.

So, maybe some of the guys here on this thread are right. A couple million gallons of oil won't make any real difference. If you pour a little more ****t into a cesspool, who cares. Still smells the same.

http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p2583.pdf
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The issue of sewage in the gulf is minor compared to agricultural runoff from the northern states via the Mississippi and other rivers that flow into the gulf.

The Dead Zone | Healthy Waters | Our Work

Florida has been engaged in a legal fight for YEARS with Georgia over keeping the rivers healthy to protect our local environment and seafood industry.

However, an oil spill this massive will pose major harm.

And, the Florida gulf coast is some of the most beautiful stretch of unspoiled water and beaches in the world. Far cleaner, clearer, and bluer than the Atlantic.



Frankly, we don't miss tourists like you.
 
For the record: If you eat meat. Or plants. Or grains. Or drive a car...

You're responsible for the condition of the gulf and this oil spill. You're part of the problem.
 
I used to do a lot of fishing around the outlet of the mississippi river. You can actually see the mud from the Mississippi river from the river ro one hundred miles into the gulf. It is a light brown color.

The taxpayers will foot the bill for BP because they are to big to fail.:(
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I used to do a lot of fishing around the outlet of the mississippi river. You can actually see the mud from the Mississippi river from the river ro one hundred miles into the gulf. It is a light brown color.

The taxpayers will foot the bill for BP because they are to big to fail.:(
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No. CONSUMERS will foot the bill for BP because we will end up paying for their losses at the pump, as well as for every other driller and oil producer to retroactively fit wells with new safety devices. BP isn't an American company.
 
this thing is an environmental disaster

it's still bleeding at a precipitous rate, there's no stopping it, and it's likely to leak faster

it's gonna hit the EASTERN coast of florida

for EIGHT DAYS obama did nothing

indeed, admiral mary landry of the coast guard said on day 2: "the oil that was on the surface appeared to be merely residual oil from the fire"

anyone with a memory couldn't help but flash back to dhs' immediate response to mutallab's attempt to blow a plane out of the skies over detroit on christmas

a genuine "the system worked" moment

indeed, napolitano's dept of homeland security waited until DAY EIGHT to declare the gulf disaster "a spill of national significance"

not until DAY EIGHT did she "request a more robust response from the dod"

the white house has done nothing to contain this catastrophe

except play politics

and the admin is becoming increasingly defensive

gibbs released a "readout" of all the calls to governors the white house has made

a phone log---LOL!

these are the actions the white house has taken

on DAY EIGHT it (because this president is proficient at pointing fingers) began blaming bp

he said he wasn't gonna go to louisiana

then he said he was

he originally stood by his plan to drill off the eastern seaboard and above alaska

then the next day he reversed himself and put his plan on hold

unbelievable

so what in the way of real action has the white house taken in resonse to this catastrophe?

on DAY SEVEN, tuesday, april 27: HE WENT BACK TO IOWA!

LOL!

for the SECOND TIME since health care passed, he went to campaign kickoff country

last time his purpose, he said, was to convince his african american, youth, female and hispanic base that the health care he'd just CRAMMED was actually good for them

this time, he visited ottumwa, according to the ny times, to: "criticize senate republicans for blocking proposed legislation to tighten regulation of the financial system," to "convince voters before the midterm elections that his economic policies were working despite the high unemployment rate," to "extol the benefits of the economic stimulus plan..."

THESE are your president's priorities

the most incompetent, CRASS politician at the national level america has ever produced

too slick

BP Is Criticized Over Oil Spill, but U.S. Missed Chances to Act - NYTimes.com

Oil slick poses political peril for Obama - Washington Times

Obama not going to Gulf yet, maybe later?

RealClearPolitics - Politics - May 01, 2010 - Obama to go to Gulf soon for oil spill update

White House defends offshore drilling plan | Reuters

Will Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Jeopardize Obama's Offshore Drilling Policy, Energy Bill? - ABC News

In Greeting Iowa Voters, Obama Focuses on Finances - NYTimes.com
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I appreciate the articles that you posted, they were interesting. However, the political commentary was hyperbolic and unnecessary. T his is one of those cases where you could have let the story speak for itself.

Unlike you, I actually live on the gulf coast. This spill will impact my area. I'm fully aware of the costs.

Corporations will do what we as a nation require them to do. BP did the minimum that was legally required of them because WE ALL let them. Trying to blame one person for this is absolutely ludicrous and intellectually dishonest.

America is addicted to cheap oil. The leaders of BOTH PARTIES need to use this as an opportunity to force us out of that addiction.

This is not a partisan issue. It's an AMERICAN issue, and we are ALL responsible for it.
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You're quite welcome. I think the truth about why BP and other oil companies are allowed to operate a dangerous business in a dangerous manner is very necessary. None of it was hyperbolic. The Repubs and George W Bush lessened regulations in every area imaginable for the sole purpose of allowing those companies to make more money! It really is that simple. And it is very important that we know this.

Now, Obama has to step up and tighten all those regulations. Someone on one of these threads made a very simple, yet intelligent statement, that of course all the rightees made fun of. If those oil companies cannot guarantee that they can operate safely 5,000 feet under the ocean then they shouldn't be allow to do so. Period. This should not be a political issue. Sadly, it is.

I've lived in Louisiana, spent time fishing in the gulf and still have friends down there whose livelihood depends on the fishing industry. Not that that should matter. We all have a right to care about the environment and the ecosystems of this country and others. This catastrophe was preventable. We should all want to ensure it never happens again... no matter where we live.
 
The Prof said:
for EIGHT DAYS obama did nothing
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This is bull**** and you know it. Provide links that he did NOTHING.

You're just trying to make Obama look more ridiculous than Bush did with his "New Orleans flyover" and his "Good work Brownie".

I'll check back to see what you come up with.
 
ADK_Forever said:
The Repubs and George W Bush lessened regulations in every area imaginable for the sole purpose of allowing those companies to make more money! It really is that simple. And it is very important that we know this.
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Really. What regulation did they loosen that led directly to this problem? It isn't that regulations were loosened. It was that companies weren't required to utilize a very expensive piece of technology that wasn't invented until the early 2000s. And, that isn't a LOOSENING of regulations. It appeared that there was a negative cost/benefit equation to this piece of technology...that the costs outweighed the possible risks.

Just like oil tankers weren't required to have double hulls until after Exxon Valdiz....

Your posts are so disingenuous.
 
provide links he did something

LOL!
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Really. What regulation did they loosen that led directly to this problem? It isn't that regulations were loosened. It was that companies weren't required to utilize a very expensive piece of technology that wasn't invented until the early 2000s. And, that isn't a LOOSENING of regulations. It appeared that there was a negative cost/benefit equation to this piece of technology...that the costs outweighed the possible risks.
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Did you say/type that with a straight face? There was legislation, or an effort, to require that safety device on all oil rigs. The Repubs, led by Cheney and his oil buddies, complained. They didn't want the expense. So, we could have had it but, we don't.

Do you really believe an oil company when they say something shouldn't be used because "there was a negative cost/benefit equation to this piece of technology...that the costs outweighed the possible risks"? Really?

Just like oil tankers weren't required to have double hulls until after Exxon Valdiz....
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And who didn't want those double hulls?

Your posts are so disingenuous.
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Unlike yours:confused:
 
he went to iowa

LOL!
 
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