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Memoir by George W Bush to be published in November

Agent Ferris said:
Don't forget the black helicopters, I just one a 3.90 1st place single table tournament for a buy in of a buck. Woot.
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You should be hearing the rotor blades right about now. Grab your cash and run.
 
Declassified Report: No Al Qaeda Link In Pre-War Iraq
Friday September 8, 2006

A newly-declassified (but redacted) 400-page Senate Intelligence Committee analysis of pre-war Iraq reports no evidence of a link between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. It concludes that Hussein "distrusted" al Qaeda and "viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime."

It includes a CIA determination that prior to March 2003, Saddam Hussein ''did not have a relationship, harbor, or turn a blind eye toward [Abu Musab al Zarqawi] and his associates.'' Instead, he "attempted, unsuccessfully, to locate and capture al Zarqawi." A US airstrike killed al Zarqawi this summer.

The document is a scathing indictment of the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), the document which presents a unified (some say political) front, reconciling or brushing over difference of opinion among various intelligence agencies. The NIE was used to justify attacking Iraq in March 2003.
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Hmmm… this is interesting…let’s read some more…

Both post-war and pre-war intelligence show "no credible information that Iraq was complicit in or had foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks or any other al Qaeda strikes."
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Oh.. my… gawd… wouldn’t THOSE facts have been helpful in determining whether we wanted to send our men and women to die in Bush’s War of Choice? You betcha!

The NIE is prepared by the Executive Branch -- all agencies are under the direct control of the President. However, Congress is supposed to provide oversight. Was the 2002 NIE flawed? That's obvious.
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Declassified Report: No Al Qaeda Link In Pre-War Iraq

How can Congress make intelligent decisions if they're not given all the facts?

Let me repeat that little jewel for kool-aid drinkers who don’t want to admit that Bush lied to us, “The NIE is prepared by the Executive Branch”. So, I wonder… who is at the top of the Executive Branch? Hmmm… oh yeah, that lying treasonist Bush (and Cheeney) was. And there are still some people in the country who think that Congress had "all" the facts when they voted to go to war. What has happened to our high schools these days. Maybe if our children played fewer games and studied more they wouldn't be taken in by those right wing lies.

This is all just more evidence that Bush lied, by hiding facts in those NIE reports, to take us to war. He belongs behind bars for his treasonist actions against America! I can't wait to read his book to see how he explains why he thought he needed to lie to the American people. He'll probably blame Rove for all those lies. Kinda like how his wife, in her book, insinuates that the real reason her class mate died in that crash was not because she wasn't paying attention and drove through a stop sign at over 50 mph and t-boned his car but, that he was driving a... "Corvair" :roll: and that darn stop sign, on a straight-as-an-arrow road, was "too small". This is truly proof that there is a God. How else would you explain how those two found each other? :2wave:
 
ADK_Forever said:
Hmmm… this is interesting…let’s read some more…



Oh.. my… gawd… wouldn’t THOSE facts have been helpful in determining whether we wanted to send our men and women to die in Bush’s War of Choice? You betcha!


Declassified Report: No Al Qaeda Link In Pre-War Iraq

How can Congress make intelligent decisions if they're not given all the facts?

Let me repeat that little jewel for kool-aid drinkers who don’t want to admit that Bush lied to us, “The NIE is prepared by the Executive Branch”. So, I wonder… who is at the top of the Executive Branch? Hmmm… oh yeah, that lying treasonist Bush (and Cheeney) was. And there are still some people in the country who think that Congress had "all" the facts when they voted to go to war. What has happened to our high schools these days. Maybe if our children played fewer games and studied more they wouldn't be taken in by those right wing lies.

This is all just more evidence that Bush lied, by hiding facts in those NIE reports, to take us to war. He belongs behind bars for his treasonist actions against America! I can't wait to read his book to see how he explains why he thought he needed to lie to the American people. He'll probably blame Rove for all those lies. Kinda like how his wife, in her book, insinuates that the real reason her class mate died in that crash was not because she wasn't paying attention and drove through a stop sign at over 50 mph and t-boned his car but, that he was driving a... "Corvair" :roll: and that darn stop sign, on a straight-as-an-arrow road, was "too small". This is truly proof that there is a God. How else would you explain how those two found each other? :2wave:
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A) The NIE is not produced by the Administration, the NIE is produced by the National Intelligence Council for the POTUS, the author of your article is clearly an idiot:

NIC MISSION
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The National Intelligence Council (NIC) is the Intelligence Community's (IC's) center for midterm and long-term strategic thinking. Its primary functions are to:
  • Lead the Intelligence Community's effort to produce National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) and other NIC products.

NIC Mission
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B) You are referencing an article about the Phase 2 section of the Senate Intelligence Committees Report on Pre-War Intelligence, this was a report written as a retrospective of the intelligence failures prior to the war. It is not a report produced before the war to provide intelligence it is a report produced after the war to determine the failings of the intelligence community.

C) The Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release entitled the "Iraqi Perspectives Project, Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents (Redacted)," proves conclusively that Saddam was sponsoring terrorist activities with Islamic Radical Organizations (including AQ affiliates) against the U.S. right up to the fall of Baghdad.
 
Agent Ferris said:
A) The NIE is not produced by the Administration, the NIE is produced by the National Intelligence Council for the POTUS, the author of your article is clearly an idiot:
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The obvious response aside, do you really think that a report that is produced "for the president" will be released to Congress without his editing? i.e. Hiding inconvenient facts as "classified? I'll ask the same questions you ignored earlier. Who decides what is classified in those reports? Who decides what is declassified in those reports?

B) You are referencing an article about the Phase 2 section of the Senate Intelligence Committees Report on Pre-War Intelligence, this was a report written as a retrospective of the intelligence failures prior to the war. It is not a report produced before the war to provide intelligence it is a report produced after the war to determine the failings of the intelligence community.
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It addresses what was true, not true and not included in the "three NIE reports", or summaries. Those are very big differences. It addresses what was known before the war but, not divulged before the vote to go to war.

C) The Pentagon Review of the DOCEX release entitled the "Iraqi Perspectives Project, Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents (Redacted)," proves conclusively that Saddam was sponsoring terrorist activities with Islamic Radical Organizations (including AQ affiliates) against the U.S. right up to the fall of Baghdad.
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You sound like Dick Cheeney. To say "Iraq sponsored terrorism" has the intentional purpose of insinuating that Iraq sponsored Al Qaeda. This is 100% proven false. Iraq was an enemy of Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.

Dick Cheeny had the CIA create a fake document making it look like Hussein had met with a 9/11 hijacker. That document was then reported in the news, in the administration's personal newspaper, The New York Times. Then, on a Sunday political talk show the shooter referenced that fake document in that article in an attempt to validate the data in the article. Talk about "cooking the books"! Do you really thing that an administration as corrupt as they were would ever allow information out that discredited their lies? Nev-Ver! :2wave:
 
Some people have a hard time letting go of their Bush Derangement Syndrome.
 
ADK_Forever said:
The obvious response aside, do you really think that a report that is produced "for the president" will be released to Congress without his editing? i.e. Hiding inconvenient facts as "classified? I'll ask the same questions you ignored earlier. Who decides what is classified in those reports? Who decides what is declassified in those reports?
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For the last time the LOTUS had access to the entire NIE that the POTUS had.

It addresses what was true, not true and not included in the "three NIE reports", or summaries. Those are very big differences. It addresses what was known before the war but, not divulged before the vote to go to war.
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The only thing your article said about pre-war intelligence is that Saddam had no link to 9-11, but that was a claim never made by the administration to begin with. And yet again the Administration and the Congress both had access to the best intelligence report available at the time IE the NIE.

You sound like Dick Cheeney. To say "Iraq sponsored terrorism" has the intentional purpose of insinuating that Iraq sponsored Al Qaeda. This is 100% proven false. Iraq was an enemy of Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.
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Saddam did sponsor AQ affiliates.

Dick Cheeny had the CIA create a fake document making it look like Hussein had met with a 9/11 hijacker. That document was then reported in the news, in the administration's personal newspaper, The New York Times. Then, on a Sunday political talk show the shooter referenced that fake document in that article in an attempt to validate the data in the article. Talk about "cooking the books"! Do you really thing that an administration as corrupt as they were would ever allow information out that discredited their lies? Nev-Ver! :2wave:
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Of course you have something in the way of evidence of Cheney or anyone on his directive creating a fake document to that effect right?
 
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For the last time the LOTUS had access to the entire NIE that the POTUS had.
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Congress only has access to what the prez declassifies.

The only thing your article said about pre-war intelligence is that Saddam had no link to 9-11, but that was a claim never made by the administration to begin with. And yet again the Administration and the Congress both had access to the best intelligence report available at the time IE the NIE.
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Sure they/Cheeney did. Wrong again.

Saddam did sponsor AQ affiliates.
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"Nowwwwww you're sounding like Cheeney. :lol:
"affiliates"? Seriously?

Of course you have something in the way of evidence of Cheney or anyone on his directive creating a fake document to that effect right?
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Absolutely.
A forged letter linking Saddam Hussein to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks was ordered on White House stationery and probably came from the office of Vice President Dick Cheney, according to a new transcript of a conversation with the Central Intelligence Agency's former Deputy Chief of Clandestine Operations Robert Richer.
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The Raw Story | Tape: Top CIA official confesses order to forge Iraq-9/11 letter came on White House stationery

Do you ever think to research any of those right wing talking points you regurgitate... before you regurgitate them? There is oodles of evidence debunking all your points. Look to the light... it will set you free.
 
ADK_Forever said:
Congress only has access to what the prez declassifies.
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The LOTUS had full access to the classified NIE, you have no idea what you're talking about.


Sure they/Cheeney did. Wrong again.
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Cheney never claimed that Saddam was responsible for 9-11 post the quote I'll be waiting with baited breath.

"Nowwwwww you're sounding like Cheeney. :lol:
"affiliates"? Seriously?
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Yes seriously, AQ is not a monolithic entity it's a franchise operation with affiliate cells operating independently from the main entity and also works in collusion with other like minded organizations. The bottom line is that Saddam was working with radical Islamist organizations to attack the U.S. and its interests.


Absolutely.

The Raw Story | Tape: Top CIA official confesses order to forge Iraq-9/11 letter came on White House stationery
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A) The Habbush Letter was after the war had already started. so it in no way proves that the administration lied to get us into the war as you asserted so why don't you try to quit shifting the goal posts every time you get PWNED by the facts. Even if true this letter was only used as a justification after the fact it was never used as a raison d'etre for the war.

B) There is an ongoing congressional investigation on the matter, nothing is proven yet.

C) Richer has denied that he was ordered by anyone to fabricate a letter.

D) Here is the actual transcript in question:

Ron Suskind: The Way of the World Transcripts

In it he never claims that they forged the letter themselves or that he knew for sure who the letter came from.


Do you ever think to research any of those right wing talking points you regurgitate... before you regurgitate them? There is oodles of evidence debunking all your points. Look to the light... it will set you free.
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All of your points have been thoroughly debunked, every single solitary one of them and now you go and shift the goal posts citing unproven assertions as if they somehow contradict anything I've said.
 
Agent Ferris said:
The LOTUS had full access to the classified NIE, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Cheney never claimed that Saddam was responsible for 9-11 post the quote I'll be waiting with baited breath.



Yes seriously, AQ is not a monolithic entity it's a franchise operation with affiliate cells operating independently from the main entity and also works in collusion with other like minded organizations. The bottom line is that Saddam was working with radical Islamist organizations to attack the U.S. and its interests.




A) The Habbush Letter was after the war had already started. so it in no way proves that the administration lied to get us into the war as you asserted so why don't you try to quit shifting the goal posts every time you get PWNED by the facts. Even if true this letter was only used as a justification after the fact it was never used as a raison d'etre for the war.

B) There is an ongoing congressional investigation on the matter, nothing is proven yet.

C) Richer has denied that he was ordered by anyone to fabricate a letter.

D) Here is the actual transcript in question:

Ron Suskind: The Way of the World Transcripts

In it he never claims that they forged the letter themselves or that he knew for sure who the letter came from.




All of your points have been thoroughly debunked, every single solitary one of them and now you go and shift the goal posts citing unproven assertions as if they somehow contradict anything I've said.
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Vice President Dick Cheney said Thursday the evidence is "overwhelming" that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq, and he said media reports suggesting that the 9/11 commission has reached a contradictory conclusion were "irresponsible."

"There clearly was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming," Cheney said in an interview with CNBC's "Capitol Report."
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CNN.com - Cheney blasts media on*al Qaeda-Iraq link - Jun 18, 2004

and it's bated breath
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Agent Ferris said:
Cheney never claimed that Saddam was responsible for 9-11 post the quote I'll be waiting with baited breath.
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No kidding?

Cheney inadvertently outed himself as a liar regarding a connection between 9/11 and Iraq. Taking us back to 2002 and 2003, in order to sell the Iraq war, one will recall that there were claims of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, pilot-less drones that Iraq could use to fly those weapons to the US, and claims that Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda to attack us on 9/11. Cheney weighed in on the reported link between 9/11, Al Qaeda and Iraq several times, yesterday being the most recent and revealing episode. As reported here, Cheney: No 'evidence' of Iraq, 9/11 link - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com in an Andy Barr article in Politico:

Former Vice President Dick Cheney says there was “never any evidence” that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq played any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

“On the question of whether or not Iraq was involved in 9/11, there was never any evidence to prove that,” Cheney said during an interview Monday night with Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren.
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The video of this interview can be seen at POLITICO.com: VIDEOS
Barr’s article goes on to point out that this directly contradicts what then Vice President Cheney said in a 2003 Meet the Press Interview on NBC when Cheney said:

“the Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack.”

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But there is even more evidence that Barr missed. Consider the 2004 interview Cheney had on CNBC as reported here at CNN, CNN.com - Cheney blasts media on*al Qaeda-Iraq link - Jun 18, 2004 when Cheney said:

"There clearly was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming "It goes back to the early '90s. It involves a whole series of contacts, high-level contacts with Osama bin Laden and Iraqi intelligence officials."
"The press, with all due respect, (is) often times lazy, often times simply reports what somebody else in the press said without doing their homework."
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OpEdNews - Article: Cheney Accidentally Admits to Lying About Connection Between 9/11 and Iraq

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiNtpIpD6k"]YouTube- Cheney: I never linked Iraq with 9/11. Oh really?[/nomedia]

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RytxVNM0llQ"]YouTube- Cheney lies on Iraq-Al Qaeda ties[/nomedia]

This guy certainly does have brass balls. He has the CIA write up a fake letter, waits for it to be published and then refers to it AS IF it has some credibility. What a liar and crook!

You can breath now. But, all of this is available to you too. All you have to do is look for it.

Yes seriously, AQ is not a monolithic entity it's a franchise operation with affiliate cells operating independently from the main entity and also works in collusion with other like minded organizations. The bottom line is that Saddam was working with radical Islamist organizations to attack the U.S. and its interests.
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Typical right wing word smithing lies.
Dick Cheeney lied and people died!
American people died!
Lots of American people died!

A) The Habbush Letter was after the war had already started. so it in no way proves that the administration lied to get us into the war as you asserted so why don't you try to quit shifting the goal posts every time you get PWNED by the facts. Even if true this letter was only used as a justification after the fact it was never used as a raison d'etre for the war.
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Just more proof of the Bush regime's lies to try to justify their lies that led us into a War of Choice.

B) There is an ongoing congressional investigation on the matter, nothing is proven yet.
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Really? How's that going?

In it he never claims that they forged the letter themselves or that he knew for sure who the letter came from.
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Good gawd man, the letter to the CIA, outlining all kinds of lies to tie up Bush and Cheney's lies, was written on the vice presidents stationary. Who do you think wrote it? The janitor? :doh

All of your points have been thoroughly debunked, every single solitary one of them and now you go and shift the goal posts citing unproven assertions as if they somehow contradict anything I've said.
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Are you feeling embarrassed yet? You should. Everything you've claimed has been proved wrong. If you need help searching for the truth let me know. I'd be happy to lead you to the light.
 
ADK_Forever said:
No kidding?


OpEdNews - Article: Cheney Accidentally Admits to Lying About Connection Between 9/11 and Iraq

YouTube- Cheney: I never linked Iraq with 9/11. Oh really?

YouTube- Cheney lies on Iraq-Al Qaeda ties

This guy certainly does have brass balls. He has the CIA write up a fake letter, waits for it to be published and then refers to it AS IF it has some credibility. What a liar and crook!

You can breath now. But, all of this is available to you too. All you have to do is look for it.



Typical right wing word smithing lies.
Dick Cheeney lied and people died!
American people died!
Lots of American people died!



Just more proof of the Bush regime's lies to try to justify their lies that led us into a War of Choice.



Really? How's that going?



Good gawd man, the letter to the CIA, outlining all kinds of lies to tie up Bush and Cheney's lies, was written on the vice presidents stationary. Who do you think wrote it? The janitor? :doh



Are you feeling embarrassed yet? You should. Everything you've claimed has been proved wrong. If you need help searching for the truth let me know. I'd be happy to lead you to the light.
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So when do you plan on proving all this bull**** you've been saying for years?
 
Moon said:
Saying that Iraq and Al Qaeda had a relationship is not the same as saying Iraq was responsible for 9/11. I'm pretty certain that if Dick Cheney meant that Iraq was responsible for 9/11, he'd have said so. I don't think he's one to mince words.
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This is Cheeney's forte! He uses someone else or another (forged or debunked) document to insinuate what he wants people to believe. He's very good at saying what he wants to without actually saying it.
 
Cheney Admits to Lying About Iraq-9/11 Connection, Sort of - J.E. Robertson - Open Salon

According to a book by Washington Post investigative reporter Barton Gellman, former Republican House leader Dick Armey, who was skeptical of the need to invade Iraq, at the outset, has said he changed his mind when Cheney, then vice president, told him in no uncertain terms "that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had direct personal ties to al-Qaeda terrorists and was making rapid progress toward a suitcase nuclear weapon".

As reported by the Washington Post:

Cheney's assertions, described by former House majority leader Richard K. Armey (Tex.), came in a highly classified one-on-one briefing in Room H-208, the vice president's hideaway office in the Capitol. The threat Cheney described went far beyond public statements that have been criticized for relying on "cherry-picked" intelligence of unknown reliability. There was no intelligence to support the vice president's private assertions, Gellman reports, and they "crossed so far beyond the known universe of fact that they were simply without foundation."
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ADK_Forever said:
Years:confused:

Care to expand on this?
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Oh come on, you've been harping on Bush and Cheney for years, even making the same assertions over and over. If it was all provable there would have been an impeachment when the Dems took over Congress.
 
American said:
Oh come on, you've been harping on Bush and Cheney for years, even making the same assertions over and over. If it was all provable there would have been an impeachment when the Dems took over Congress.
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Years?

If you don't appreciate why they were never prosecuted then you aren't as aware of things as you portray.
 
misterman said:
Cheney Admits to Lying About Iraq-9/11 Connection, Sort of - J.E. Robertson - Open Salon
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This is yet another issue that Dick Cheney could be prosecuted for. And for Dick Army to admit this that shows just what an infraction Cheeney's lies were. Army said had Cheeney not told him those lies that he would have voted against voting to give Bush carte blanc to use violence against Iraq. And if he voted against it, others would have followed.

Bush and Cheney lied...

...... and Americans died!
 
ADK_Forever said:
Years?

If you don't appreciate why they were never prosecuted then you aren't as aware of things as you portray.
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So to answer his question you can't prove it.


Thank you for your honesty.
 
ADK_Forever said:
No kidding?


OpEdNews - Article: Cheney Accidentally Admits to Lying About Connection Between 9/11 and Iraq

YouTube- Cheney: I never linked Iraq with 9/11. Oh really?

YouTube- Cheney lies on Iraq-Al Qaeda ties

This guy certainly does have brass balls. He has the CIA write up a fake letter, waits for it to be published and then refers to it AS IF it has some credibility. What a liar and crook!

You can breath now. But, all of this is available to you too. All you have to do is look for it.
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A) The Czechs still stand by their story.

B) There was a relationship between Iraq and AQ the question is whether it was a collaborative relationship.

C) None of those quotes by Cheney quote him as saying that Iraq played any roll whatsoever in the 9-11 attacks, nice try though.

Typical right wing word smithing lies.
Dick Cheeney lied and people died!
American people died!
Lots of American people died!
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Saddam was plotting with Islamist radicals (including AQ affiliates) to kill Americans right up until the fall of Baghdad.

Just more proof of the Bush regime's lies to try to justify their lies that led us into a War of Choice.
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You haven't provided a single scrap of evidence that the administration lied to lead us into war.

Really? How's that going?
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Ask the head of the investigative committee.

Good gawd man, the letter to the CIA, outlining all kinds of lies to tie up Bush and Cheney's lies, was written on the vice presidents stationary. Who do you think wrote it? The janitor? :doh
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Richer says he didn't know who wrote it.

Are you feeling embarrassed yet? You should. Everything you've claimed has been proved wrong. If you need help searching for the truth let me know. I'd be happy to lead you to the light.
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Um no actually it hasn't you have yet to prove a single one of your assertions, you've been PWNED by the facts.
 
Agent Ferris said:
There was a relationship between Iraq and AQ the question is whether it was a collaborative relationship.
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Let me guess... your tv only gets Fixed Noise entertainment network. :doh

They were enemies!
 
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