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Torpedo blast likely sank warship: SKorea minister

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SEOUL, South Korea – An explosion caused by a torpedo likely tore apart and sank a South Korean warship near the North Korean border, Seoul's defense minister said Sunday, while declining to assign blame for the blast as suspicion increasingly falls on Pyongyang.


Defense Minister Kim Tae-young said an underwater explosion appeared to have ripped apart the vessel, and a torpedo blast seemed the most likely cause. Investigators who examined salvaged wreckage separately announced Sunday that a close-range, external explosion likely sank it.
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If it turns out that North Korea attacked and sank the ship, then this was an act of war, and we must react accordingly. Attacking North Korea is beset with many problems, which is why we must at least consider the use of nuclear forces. At any rate, we need to make sure that North Korea will never rattle it's sabres ever again.

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danarhea said:
If it turns out that North Korea attacked and sank the ship, then this was an act of war, and we must react accordingly. Attacking North Korea is beset with many problems, which is why we must at least consider the use of nuclear forces. At any rate, we need to make sure that North Korea will never rattle it's sabres ever again.

Article is here.
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At what cost?
 
damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
 
Wiseone said:
NEWS FLASH: People shoot at each other every day, the President has more to do than sit in a war bunker.
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But, IMO, the recent bill should have been on the bottom of any list.

I did not and do not agree with the approach taken to the issue.
 
The Prof said:
i know

he has to go to IOWA (LOL!) to SELL the bill he just PASSED

then, he has to go to the NEW HAMPSHIRE MEDIA MARKET to talk to DORIS

44 - Obama's 17-minute, 2,500-word response to woman's claim of being 'over-taxed'

LOL!

you betcha

he's busy
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Damn it. Give it a ****ing rest. I would like to see a discussion here, without all the damn trolling. This thread is not about Obama and taxes. It is about North Korea's sinking of a South Korean ship. Please stay on topic without being disruptive, or get the **** out of the thread!
 
Jetboogieman said:
Prof, do you have anything positive to say about Obama? anything at all?
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He plays hoops real well, seems to like golf, has a nice smile, is a helluva teleprompter reader, and can turn on the "black minister church" voice at will. He's very good at acting like he knows what he's doing, he's exudes confidence without a basis in that confidence, has a nice family, and can say two diametrically opposed things in the same breath and without the media or his political supporters knowing.

But back on topic - what exactly are we to do about this? Sanctions? Blockade? Another stern talking to and more complaints to China? Best thing to do is nothing at all because that's exactly what will happen.
 
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danarhea said:
Damn it. Give it a ****ing rest. I would like to see a discussion here, without all the damn trolling. This thread is not about Obama and taxes. It is about North Korea's sinking of a South Korean ship. Please stay on topic without being disruptive, or get the **** out of the thread!
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oh, for goodness sake, calm down

exactly what our president was doing at the exact moment the ship went boom, then gurgle, gurgle, guys dying...

very, very pertinent

sorry the beating he must take is so relentless, but that's part of being president

carry on with your discussion
 
danarhea said:
If it turns out that North Korea attacked and sank the ship, then this was an act of war, and we must react accordingly. Attacking North Korea is beset with many problems, which is why we must at least consider the use of nuclear forces. At any rate, we need to make sure that North Korea will never rattle it's sabres ever again.

Article is here.
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You really have to wonder what makes Kim Jong tick.

I had a friend who was on the USS Pueblo. The one thing he told me you have to realize is that the North Koreans think totally different than us.
It makes one wonder if he is not trying to do a little provoking to test our response. I for one just don't feel like we can afford another money drain in going to South Korea to fight.
 
The Prof said:
oh, for goodness sake, calm down

exactly what our president was doing at the exact moment the ship went boom, then gurgle, gurgle, guys dying...

very, very pertinent

sorry the beating he must take is so relentless, but that's part of being president

carry on with your discussion
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How is the President supposed to control exactly where he is when something unforeseen happens in the world? I suppose you plan Bush for being in a kindergarten room when 9/11 happened?

Anyway I don't see this ship sinking during into a new war, perhaps an end to talks and business between ROK and DPRK, along with the end to any meaningful aid.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Stick to the topic. This is not about Obama, taxes or anything to do with this administration.
 
Seriously?

You guys turned a thread about events that might indicate a future war in Korea into a discussion about the merits/demerits of the current president?

Granted, there may be a very oblique connection, in that the USA may be involved in a Korean war, and the merits/demerits of the current US president might have some affect on such...but still.

No discussion about a potential war?
 
War with North Korea is going to result in the deaths of thousands of South Koreans. Unless the stakes are high enough to be worth the cost, war is not an option. Losing a boat is a minor detail in comparison. Extreme sanctions are already in place and diplomatic protests have been issued a hundred times before. Do nothing may not sit will in the stomach, but there aren't really any better options at the moment.
 
rathi said:
War with North Korea is going to result in the deaths of thousands of South Koreans. Unless the stakes are high enough to be worth the cost, war is not an option. Losing a boat is a minor detail in comparison. Extreme sanctions are already in place and diplomatic protests have been issued a hundred times before. Do nothing may not sit will in the stomach, but there aren't really any better options at the moment.
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I expect that the most that will come directly from this is the sinking of a NK ship or two.

Personally I would give a warning to NK leadership to scuttle two ships or see 4 go to the bottom of the ocean.

But as you say all out war over this particular incident is not worth it to the South Koreans, as Seoul is in the direct line of fire
 
danarhea said:
If it turns out that North Korea attacked and sank the ship, then this was an act of war, and we must react accordingly. Attacking North Korea is beset with many problems, which is why we must at least consider the use of nuclear forces. At any rate, we need to make sure that North Korea will never rattle it's sabres ever again.

Article is here.
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We can do it through proxy ie south korea but not directly imo
 
Crosscheck said:
You really have to wonder what makes Kim Jong tick.

I had a friend who was on the USS Pueblo. The one thing he told me you have to realize is that the North Koreans think totally different than us.
It makes one wonder if he is not trying to do a little provoking to test our response. I for one just don't feel like we can afford another money drain in going to South Korea to fight.
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I certainly don't doubt it but dud your friend talk about what specifically was different about them?
 
texmaster said:
We can do it through proxy ie south korea but not directly imo
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That approach is beset with problems. North Korea has thousands of long range artillery pieces that can hit Seoul. That is why, IMHO, we need to get involved, and whatever we do needs to be done hard, fast, and decisively.
 
danarhea said:
That approach is beset with problems. North Korea has thousands of long range artillery pieces that can hit Seoul. That is why, IMHO, we need to get involved, and whatever we do needs to be done hard, fast, and decisively.
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North Korea's entire existence and relevance in this world depends upon the United States getting involved... so I say we ignore them. They'll dry up and whither away. The last thing we need to do is give them a reason to become relevant. If they take action against any other country while we're ignoring them, we either attack them and waste them, or we go in with a coalition and China at the front of the pack to depose the existing regime. But acting on our own makes no sense tactically, strategically or politically.

Since NK thrives off attention, why would we give them the one thing they want and need? Doesn't make sense to me.
 
danarhea said:
If it turns out that North Korea attacked and sank the ship, then this was an act of war, and we must react accordingly. Attacking North Korea is beset with many problems, which is why we must at least consider the use of nuclear forces. At any rate, we need to make sure that North Korea will never rattle it's sabres ever again.

Article is here.
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How about open season on any North Korean flagged vessel?.... military and civilian? (also known as a Naval Blockade)

I really do hate the idea of having to pull out the nukes….. China might get involved and end up spilling my drink.
 
Why couldn't we just support an effort by the South Koreans to assassinate NK's nutty leader? Kill big Brother and his henchmen, then try to dismantle their 1984 style society.

Bringing out the war guns, nukes or not, would just wind up killing a lot of innocent people. It would be infinitely better to simply and quietly do away with the few who are causing the problem in the first place.
 
The Prof said:
oh, for goodness sake, calm down

exactly what our president was doing at the exact moment the ship went boom, then gurgle, gurgle, guys dying...

very, very pertinent

sorry the beating he must take is so relentless, but that's part of being president

carry on with your discussion
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It was a South Korean ship, so what difference does it make what Obama was doing? Don't you think a better question would be what was the South Korean President doing?
 
danarhea said:
That approach is beset with problems. North Korea has thousands of long range artillery pieces that can hit Seoul. That is why, IMHO, we need to get involved, and whatever we do needs to be done hard, fast, and decisively.
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Plus the fact that we still have a lot of American service men and women in South Korea. If the north should attack or invade, Americans will likely be killed. If they shell Seoul, Americans will definitely be killed.
 
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