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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

LaMidRighter said:
Well, if the Democrats get a pass for the healthcare turd then Az. gets a pass on this IMO. It's a bad law but "something needed to be done", yall remember that right?
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Wow, in your mind two wrongs means a right? So since Timothy McViegh (sic) acted as an agent of the right, the left gets a free pass to do something similar. This is BS.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You can't blame Arizona at all on this. I don't see the problem with it. If you are here illegally, what is wrong with a state picking up the slack for the federal government? After all, the costs for medical care, housing, crime, and public education associated with those that come here illegally is primarily born by the states, so why not let the states help enforce immigration law?

I am left of center on a lot of issues. But the fact is, we can't afford to provide education and healthcare for the kids of every illegal that makes it across the Sonora Desert.
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This ain't about the cost of education or medical. It is about the lack of both parties in congress the GOP and Dem's doing something about this issue, so the states have to react. Unfortunately, AZ has ignorant law makers and a sheriff. This will come back to bite them on their ass. So, you think all illegals are from Mexico. Hey what about africans, chinese, and canadians. This is a piece of **** bill, and will cost AZ more. I hope the voters of our state get out and vote these idiots out of office.
 
mike2810 said:
Despicable. as in your opinion. I don't share it.

In AZ the democrats seem to be the party of "no". No to balanced budget, no to enforcing immigration laws, etc. When Janet N. was our gov. She did very little to nothing to slow down the influx. Nothing changes as Home Land Security. Maybe the Law will force the feds hand and do something for the border states.

In is interesting that other than make them proposing to make them all legal, the dems in Az have no produced a plan for illegal immigration.
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You're full of crap. Neopol. constantly pressure GW about this issue. Why is it AZ responsibility to protect the us border. I thought this was the USA responsibility.
 
American said:
I hope everyone noticed how the liberal Mexicans got violent over this new law.
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Yeah, and we will see how the right cries about this also. Should we encourage more violence like the right did when health care was passed.
 
CriticalThought said:
I agree with the Conservatives on this one. The feds have failed to act on what has become a growing problem. Arizona has a Constitutinal right to pass such a law and to enforce it. It may not be entirely fair, but something had to be done eventually and Arizona go there first.
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Show me where the States can racially profile and pass federal laws.
 
Porchev said:
More states should do what Arizona is doing since the federal government is doing very little about illegal immigration.

"...another step forward in protecting the state of Arizona."

"...the bill represents another tool for our state to use as we work to solve a crisis that we did not create and the federal government has refused to fix -- the crisis caused by illegal immigration." --Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer
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You mean elect idiots who are clueless?
 
Here is an idea:
- You can read the actual text of the immigration bill, SB 1070 in it's entirety by clicking on the following link.

Format Document

we should all read it and then we can hopefully make a more informed opinion about this bill innstead of walking into the arguement from a preset partisan postion.
 
TBone said:
You're full of crap. Neopol. constantly pressure GW about this issue. Why is it AZ responsibility to protect the us border. I thought this was the USA responsibility.
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IIRC, Janet was pressuring the FEDS to PAY the state of AZ the expenses incurred while dealing with illegals....
 
TBone said:
You mean elect idiots who are clueless?
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Clueless? How about electing more people with backbone like her and others that are simply asking law enforcement officials to actually enforce the law. Crazy isn't it?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Right, because the illegal alien horde is a great voting demographic for the dems. :ssst:
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Um... Reverend, how exactly are people without a social security number, a driver's license, or legal resident status going to cast a vote in any state or national election.

That's just stupid, right?:lol:;)

BTW-- in case you didn't read the whole thread, I believe the AZ bill can be effective as long as the police are smart about how they implement new procedures and don't let it turn into a PR trainwreck the left can jump on.

I wish CA would empower local law enforcement to check for ID when appropriate.
 
hazlnut said:
Um... Reverend, how exactly are people without a social security number, a driver's license, or legal resident status going to cast a vote in any state or national election.
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Does your polling place ask for ID or even a voter ID card?
 
Porchev said:
Clueless? How about electing more people with backbone like her and others that are simply asking law enforcement officials to actually enforce the law. Crazy isn't it?
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Really, backbone = passing laws that allow racial profiling and violations of us citizens rights. Also, when did the states become responsible for enforcing federal law. Yeah, politicians in arizona have guts stepping all over our civil rights, like a sheriff and ex county attorney who are under federal investigation for racial profiling, and for police harassment.

Arizona State Officials are spineless and were afraid to pressure Clinton, Bush, and Obama on fixing illegal immigration. God forbid the two loud mouth Senators Kyle and McCain pressuring the feds for some action.

These legislators and governer with backbone will have their law review by the Obama administration see line Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs immigration bill - latimes.com.

Before we know it, all state and county government will be under federal investigation for all the back bone going on in AZ.
 
Boomyal said:
They always used to before the advent of liberal inspired vote by mail!
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Yeah, right after the advent of the conservative voting machine and hanging chad. Remember that one.
 
TBone said:
Show me where the States can racially profile and pass federal laws.
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The law doesn't explicitly racially profile. You can be illegally in the country if you are from Mexico or if you are from Norway. Also, the law only affects Arizona, so it is a state law, not a federal law.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Right, because the illegal alien horde is a great voting demographic for the dems. :ssst:
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Good point, last time we had an election illegal aliens were lined up around the polling places to vote. They voted for Sheriff Joe, Russell Pearse, or Andrew Thomas.

If people of color and minorities voted, we would not have right wingers in power.
 
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TBone said:
Really, backbone = passing laws that allow racial profiling and violations of us citizens rights. Also, when did the states become responsible for enforcing federal law. Yeah, politicians in arizona have guts stepping all over our civil rights, like a sheriff and ex county attorney who are under federal investigation for racial profiling, and for police harassment.

Arizona State Officials are spineless and were afraid to pressure Clinton, Bush, and Obama on fixing illegal immigration. God forbid the two loud mouth Senators Kyle and McCain pressuring the feds for some action.

These legislators and governer with backbone will have their law review by the Obama administration see line Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signs immigration bill - latimes.com.

Before we know it, all state and county government will be under federal investigation for all the back bone going on in AZ.
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This is simply about enforcing current laws. After decades of federal government inaction and misguided policies, it is time to hold accountable those who have no respect for United States' laws.
 
TBone said:
This ain't about the cost of education or medical. It is about the lack of both parties in congress the GOP and Dem's doing something about this issue, so the states have to react. Unfortunately, AZ has ignorant law makers and a sheriff. This will come back to bite them on their ass. So, you think all illegals are from Mexico. Hey what about africans, chinese, and canadians. This is a piece of **** bill, and will cost AZ more. I hope the voters of our state get out and vote these idiots out of office.
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I didn't see anything in the bill pointing out one particular group of people. It points to "illegals"

So you being in Az like I am. What is your solution to the "illegal" problem?
 
TBone said:
You're full of crap. Neopol. constantly pressure GW about this issue. Why is it AZ responsibility to protect the us border. I thought this was the USA responsibility.
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So when the Feds did nothing, what did she do? Now that she is in charge of Home land Security, What has she done to improve the border security?
I agree that the feds should have the lead. The Feds have not done much. Maybe they will now.
 
It is an outrage that the Federal govt. has allowed such an important national policy of managing immigration, protecting sovereignty and security by allowing the number of illegals into the US from all our borders. Maybe this law will wake up the Feds to do something now.

Legal immigrants and naturalized citizens should be proud of what they have accomplished in the US. Illegals are breaking existing federal law. It shows no respect for the US. No matter what the reason for coming to the US illegally. IMO they are criminals and at best trespassers.

Play the race card all you want, it still does not make it right to come into a country illegally. I think everyone should step back, take a deep breath and see how the AZ law plays out. If it gets struck down, then all the fears are for naught. If it is upheld, lets see how law enforcement applies the law.

IMO, it is beyond time for the US to do something to control all of our borders and manage legal immigration.
 
TBone said:
Really, backbone = passing laws that allow racial profiling and violations of us citizens rights.
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If a bank is robbed and the employees call the police to report the crime and they discribe the robber as being a black male would it make any sense to stop white females?

If 85% (example number) of illegal immigrants are of hispanic decent it only makes sense to start there.

Now I am not up to par on current laws in AZ but in the state of TN where I am from it was already illegal not to carry state approved ID. (not that it was ever enforced)

And why are you making such a issue of this? If I am stopped and checked occationaly to insure my legal status I am ok with it. I dont mind a little inconvenience if it helps better our country. After all its only a few minutes of my time.
 
TBone said:
Good point, last time we had an election illegal aliens were lined up around the polling places to vote. They voted for Sheriff Joe, Russell Pearse, or Andrew Thomas.

If people of color and minorities voted, we would not have right wingers in power.
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If a person is legal to vote and don't, who's fault is that?
 
mike2810 said:
It is an outrage that the Federal govt. has allowed such an important national policy of managing immigration, protecting sovereignty and security by allowing the number of illegals into the US from all our borders. Maybe this law will wake up the Feds to do something now.
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I think the only thing the federal government would do is throw a bunch of money at the situation to not really do anything but make it look like they are doing something. Like the virtual fence and the national guard on the border with no authority to detain or arrest illegals.
 
texmaster said:
Crime is state issue.

Try again Hatuey
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Actually, he is correct, texmaster. Immigration is a FEDERAL issue. That is the federal government has an immigration enforcement body and the states do not.

Jan Brewer signed her own recall papers when she signed that bill.

The SCOTUS will likely throw it out.... and when it does Arizona is going to have egg on its face.
 
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