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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

F107HyperSabr said:
Here is an idea:
- You can read the actual text of the immigration bill, SB 1070 in it's entirety by clicking on the following link.

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we should all read it and then we can hopefully make a more informed opinion about this bill innstead of walking into the arguement from a preset partisan postion.
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That link is broken. The State of Arizona took it down.... and now I am curious as to what they are hiding!
 
cholla said:
Closest one is in Mexico, they don't ask for our ID when we go they like it when we bring money into Mexico
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You should read their illegal immigrant laws. They make ours look like Mary Poppins
 
TBone said:
Good point, last time we had an election illegal aliens were lined up around the polling places to vote. They voted for Sheriff Joe, Russell Pearse, or Andrew Thomas.

If people of color and minorities voted, we would not have right wingers in power.
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You enjoy being an automatic sheep vote for the libs?
 
TBone said:
Yeah, and we will see how the right cries about this also. Should we encourage more violence like the right did when health care was passed.
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Yeah and where was all that voilence by the tea parties? Oh thats right, there wasn't any. :roll:

Would you like to keep eating or is your foot enough for now?
 
Vader said:
Actually, he is correct, texmaster. Immigration is a FEDERAL issue. That is the federal government has an immigration enforcement body and the states do not.

Jan Brewer signed her own recall papers when she signed that bill.

The SCOTUS will likely throw it out.... and when it does Arizona is going to have egg on its face.
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Again read more carefully. This is about illegals and the crimes they commit beyond the original crime of illegally entering the country.

If you had actually read the thread you would have seen my response on this and the link I provided.

I will bet you 50 dollars right now if you've got the balls via paypal that SCOTUS will not throw it out.

Ready to put your money where your mouth is?
 
Chappy said:
Wow! Just, wow! This bill is a colossal error.
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We have plenty of legal means for immigration. The illegal immigration problem needs to be managed, and no-one at the federal level really has the guts to deal with it, for fear of losing votes. I say kudos to Arizona.

If people are crossing the border illegally, then they are commiting crimes. Immigration criminals need to be sent back immediately.
 
Chappy said:
The issue is that in Arizona, you are now required by law to carry with you at all times proof of your citizenship or legal entry into the state and that a police officer can demand those papers for any reason; you are wearing the wrong sneakers; the shape of your hat suggests a foreign style, etc. I find it interesting that a non-Arizona drivers license may be insufficient proof that you are here legally.
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do you support people having to go through a background check to buy a firearm?
 
lizzie said:
We have plenty of legal means for immigration. The illegal immigration problem needs to be managed, and no-one at the federal level really has the guts to deal with it, for fear of losing votes. I say kudos to Arizona.

If people are crossing the border illegally, then they are commiting crimes. Immigration criminals need to be sent back immediately.
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true, even here in ohio its news because a local sheriff recently settled a lawsuit for 100K involving an illegal his men arrested and who was then deported. He made arresting illegals a major effort. THe problem is, legal hispanics often see attempts to get rid of illegals as "anti-hispanic" and too many politicians are afraid of that voting bloc
 
TBone said:
Good point, last time we had an election illegal aliens were lined up around the polling places to vote. They voted for Sheriff Joe, Russell Pearse, or Andrew Thomas.

If people of color and minorities voted, we would not have right wingers in power.
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if only net tax payers could vote, the dems would not win any more presidential elections
 
jamesrage said:
Does your polling place ask for ID or even a voter ID card?
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When I lived in Georgia, I was never asked to show my ID, though I believe the Republicans (since they took over the state government after that Gerrymandering scandal the Dems pulled in 2001) have altered that little oversight, over strong Democrat objections
 
TurtleDude said:
if only net tax payers could vote, the dems would not win any more presidential elections
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If only the GOP had been representing the people instead of bending over for lobbiests, Obama would have been runnerup....
 
UtahBill said:
If only the GOP had been representing the people instead of bending over for lobbiests, Obama would have been runnerup....
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what people

the net tax payers like me or the 47% who don't pay taxes and expect people such as me to pay for everything they want


Obama got lots of breaks-from the financial meltdown to the pernicious infection of white guilt. My country club is full of rich white women who voted for Obama so they could tell themselves they really were not "racist" even though that guy stood for everything that is hostile to their lifestyles.
I think your explaination of why this clown won the election is a bit simplistic and lobbyists had very little to do with it.
 
TurtleDude said:
THe problem is, legal hispanics often see attempts to get rid of illegals as "anti-hispanic" and too many politicians are afraid of that voting bloc
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I live in an area with lots of hispanics, and my experience is that many of them do not favor illegal immigration.
 
lizzie said:
I live in an area with lots of hispanics, and my experience is that many of them do not favor illegal immigration.
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probably true, but the ones who protest and howl the loudest are the ones the politicians cower to and those people (and some might be illegals) whine that cracking down on illegals is anti-hispanic

and I will admit that some of the anti immigration movement is made up of people who have a bigoted or racist animus.
 
TurtleDude said:
what people

the net tax payers like me or the 47% who don't pay taxes and expect people such as me to pay for everything they want


Obama got lots of breaks-from the financial meltdown to the pernicious infection of white guilt. My country club is full of rich white women who voted for Obama so they could tell themselves they really were not "racist" even though that guy stood for everything that is hostile to their lifestyles.
I think your explaination of why this clown won the election is a bit simplistic and lobbyists had very little to do with it.
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Your country club?
I have always voted GOP, but when this last election cycle started I was saying that the DEMS would win. Their are millions of middle class folk who usually vote republican, but they got tired of seeing crooks and perverts betray the public trust , too many of which are republicans. When their retirement funds take a hit and the financiers are still enriching themselves at the expense of the common folk, they remember who took their side and who sided with the obscenely rich.
Wealth is fine, for those who earn it. But we have had too many people steal it....
ETHICS, look it up....
 
Oh noes!! If the cops have a reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime, they can ask you about it! OMG that is so horrible and now the state will fall apart because.... because.... cops are allowed to ask for your ****ing id!

:roll:
 
Porchev said:
This is simply about enforcing current laws. After decades of federal government inaction and misguided policies, it is time to hold accountable those who have no respect for United States' laws.
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Then PRESSURE the US Gov't to do their job. The last five presidential administrations have failed to do this. I work in law enforcement and to get a response from ICE is like pulling teeth. This is not a State function this is a Federal function. The state of AZ should NOT be paying its officers to enforce immigration laws, the FEDERAL Gov't should.

I don't want illegal aliens in AZ, in fact I want them gone, STOPPED at the BORDER. I don't want agencies with Bigoted intents, e.g. Sheriff Joe and Maricopa County Sheriff's Office to enforce this law because they racial profile, and are under current federal investigation for these abuses.

The law states "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S." SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet

Define what makes the person removable, would that be looking latino, speaking with an accent, being in a latino area, speaking spanish?

So, if me, who is latino, who paid over 25k in taxes, who served my country in the military,who was born in Prescott, AZ, whose family was born in Arizona and Texas, walks down the street in a latino part of Phoenix, AZ and chooses to dress in a quamvera and baggy pants, and chooses to speak spanish to each other, not to anyone else, can have a police officer, come up to me an ask me for an ID to prove my citizenship. This is the fear of the latino community. Who then enforces my rights to privacy?

Some will say that if I am here legally I have nothing to worry about, my response is if they were checking every anglo on the street to see if they were here legally, the anglo community would be up in arms.
 
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TBone said:
Then PRESSURE the US Gov't to do their job. The last five presidential administrations have failed to do this. I work in law enforcement and to get a response from ICE is like pulling teeth. This is not a State function this is a Federal function. The state of AZ should NOT be paying its officers to enforce immigration laws, the FEDERAL Gov't should.

I don't want illegal aliens in AZ, in fact I want them gone, STOPPED at the BORDER. I don't want agencies with Bigoted intents, e.g. Sheriff Joe and Maricopa County Sheriff's Office to enforce this law because they racial profile, and are under current federal investigation for these abuses.

The law states "Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S." SB1070 - 492R - Senate Fact Sheet

Define what makes the person removable, would that be looking latino, speaking with an accent, being in a latino area, speaking spanish?

So, if me, who is latino, who paid over 25k in taxes, who served my country in the military,who was born in Prescott, AZ, whose family was born in Arizona and Texas, walks down the street in a latino part of Phoenix, AZ and chooses to dress in a quamvera and baggy pants, and chooses to speak spanish to each other, not to anyone else, can have a police officer, come up to me an ask me for an ID to prove my citizenship. This is the fear of the latino community. Who then enforces my rights to privacy?

Some will say that if I am here legally I have nothing to worry about, my response is if they were checking every anglo on the street to see if they were here legally, the anglo community would be up in arms.
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I am as white as they come, and have been asked to show ID on the CA/AZ border, by Immigration officers.

If you want to be insulted by being asked for ID, go ahead, but I suspect that MOST of us, regardless of color, will take it in stride.
 
mike2810 said:
I didn't see anything in the bill pointing out one particular group of people. It points to "illegals"

So you being in Az like I am. What is your solution to the "illegal" problem?
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Require the US Government to Enforce the law, and protect our border. Don't allow them to give excuses for not doing this any longer. Make them do the sweeps. They stand back and watch the border states do their job.
And they let our state absorb the cost.

Get Kyle and McCain to get off their puts to put pressure on DHS. They wait to use this as campaigning point.
 
TBone said:
A you become a lemming vote for the GOP, what is your point?
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I'm not a republican. That was your second mistake.

Your first one was assuming liberal politicians are your buddies.
 
UtahBill said:
I am as white as they come, and have been asked to show ID on the CA/AZ border, by Immigration officers.

If you want to be insulted by being asked for ID, go ahead, but I suspect that MOST of us, regardless of color, will take it in stride.
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It is amazing the lengths liberals will go for the race card.

There are between 15-20 million illegals in this country.

Mexico is the #1 supplier.

Arizona is on the border with Mexico.

Are we supposed to throw logic completely out the window and pretend that most illegals in Arizona aren't Mexican?

And this law states that you cannot be stopped under suspeicion of being illegal. It has to be because of another crime the police suspect.

But the libs don't want to admit that. Nooooo. Lets keep building up the false racist argument.
 
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