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BBC: US weighs Iran military option

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Im guessing the US military is STILL in the area because they are planning to blow the hell out of Iran sometime in the future :roll:

If Iran decides to go for nuclear weapons, the US may not be able to permanently stop this from happening unless it is willing to occupy the country.
This is the candid conclusion of one US general testifying in front of the Senate but one that seems to have gone mostly unnoticed amid a flurry of statements on Iran over the past few days in Washington.
Gen James Cartwright, one of America's top uniformed officers, slowly edged towards that conclusion during a Senate testimony last week, underscoring the difficult choices facing the Obama administration as it weighs what do about Iran.

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Gen Cartwright agreed a military strike would only delay Iran


Since the US would probably be extremely apprehensive about even considering putting boots on the ground in Iran, the statement raises a key question - while the Obama administration publicly maintains that it will not allow Iran's current leaders to acquire nuclear weapons, is it privately discussing how to live with a nuclear Iran?
The military is averse to any action against Iran and Adm Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said a military strike would be 'his last option" and has warned of the unintended consequences of such a strike.
One of those consequences could be a boost in the life expentancy of the Iranian leadership.
If Iran comes under attack from the outside, Iranians will likely rally around their leaders or be forced to do so.
This would put an end to any internal dissent and delay the prospect of internal pressure for change. After all, a different Iranian leadership that cooperates more with the international community is another way of allaying concerns about Iranian nuclear ambitions.
But during the Senate testimony, which also featured the state department's No 3 official, William Burns, the senators questioning the panel also established that UN sanctions would probably not be tough enough to really have an impact on Tehran.

BBC News - US weighs Iran military option
 
good

and yet just last week, the DEFENSE SECRETARY states his own president has NO POLICY TO DEAL WITH IRAN

No effective policy on Iran, Gates says

these keystone klutzes are comprehensively clueless

they just did it again over VAT

the president says "maybe"

his PRESS SECRETARY, "no way"

the most incompetent leadership america has ever endured
 
The current Iranian military maneuvers near the Straits of Hormuz remind us that an attack on Iran will trigger a closure of these Straits to 30% - 40% of the world's oil flow.
 
The current Iranian military maneuvers near the Straits of Hormuz remind us that an attack on Iran will trigger a closure of these Straits to 30% - 40% of the world's oil flow.

We can handle the Iranian military, but at this time America simply lacks the resources necessary to occupy Iran.
 
We can handle the Iranian military, but at this time America simply lacks the resources necessary to occupy Iran.

Indeed, and although Iran could be a threat to a variety of nations, I don't think we'd see an international consensus to invade Iran, which means you'd once again be essentially on your own in there.
 
Re: BBC: US weighs Iran military option
LOL... Yeah right.
And Obama is going to reduce our taxes and cut spending... ROTFMAO.

We can handle the Iranian military, but at this time America simply lacks the resources necessary to occupy Iran.
Ah hell, let's create chaos and let them figure it out. We'll bring in loads of arms for the freedom fighters, stand guard on the border so the assholes can't escape, and watch as the masses squish them like a bug.

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Ah hell, let's create chaos and let them figure it out. We'll bring in loads of arms for the freedom fighters, stand guard on the border so the assholes can't escape, and watch as the masses squish them like a bug.

That sounds like a good way to get a lot of innocent people killed :roll:
 
The current Iranian military maneuvers near the Straits of Hormuz remind us that an attack on Iran will trigger a closure of these Straits to 30% - 40% of the world's oil flow.

For a day....... have you ever looked to see exactly what we would be fighting?

Iran ranks just 1 ahead of Mexico in world military strength.

World Military Strength Ranking

NAVY
Total Navy Ships: 65
Merchant Marine Strength: 92 [2008]
Major Ports and Harbors: 3
Aircraft Carriers: 0 [2008]
Destroyers: 0 [2008]
Submarines: 3 [2006]
Frigates: 3 [2006]
Patrol & Coastal Craft: 140 [2006]
Mine Warfare Craft: 5 [2006]
Amphibious Craft: 13 [2006]

AIR FORCE
Total Aircraft: 84 [2006]
Helicopters: 84 [2006]
Serviceable Airports: 331 [2007]

Military Strength of Iran

I mean come on..... Texas could kick their ass in a week. :roll:
 
We can handle the Iranian military, but at this time America simply lacks the resources necessary to occupy Iran.

You don't occupy them.... you blow them back into the stone age until they come to their senses and act like a responsible government.
 
You don't occupy them.... you blow them back into the stone age until they come to their senses and act like a responsible government.

Yeah cause that will create a stable, sensible government after you destroy their entire country :shock:
 
No one ever said it;d be hard to beat them. But you can kill every last one of their soldiers... then what?

400th post

Jobs done..... other than warning them "one more peep out of you and we'll be back"
 
Yeah cause that will create a stable, sensible government after you destroy their entire country :shock:

That's a fact. Knock out their power grid, knock out their military, knock out their oil production. Let them stew in that for a bit and the people will do the rest.
 
That's a fact. Knock out their power grid, knock out their military, knock out their oil production. Let them stew in that for a bit and the people will do the rest.

Yeah cause the first thing I want to do when a superior foreign power comes and drops fire from the sky destroying my country and making me even poorer then I already am, is to want a government just likes theirs that will make any concession they want to them :mrgreen:

Dude, by attacking Iran in any way shape or form, you strengthen their government because that government shows it's willing to stand up to you, and by striking them, the people will only look more and more to that strong government for protection. In desperate times, people turn to crazy, yet strong people sometimes.

Yes there are many opposition members in Iran, and that party should have won. But the country will be united by any strike against it, especially when there is inevitable collateral damage.
 
Its quite possible to simply obliterate nuclear and or rocket facilities from the air leaving the rest of the country untouched. If we announced the attacks ahead of time, we could probably avoid any collateral damage. The Iran would certainly retaliate for such an action, it would result in a lot less money and lives wasted. Obtaining air supremacy, eliminating air defenses and destroying hardened targets is fairly trivial. We could easily do it every few years if required and it would still be far cheaper than a full scale invasion and occupation.
 
Yeah cause the first thing I want to do when a superior foreign power comes and drops fire from the sky destroying my country and making me even poorer then I already am, is to want a government just likes theirs that will make any concession they want to them :mrgreen:

Dude, by attacking Iran in any way shape or form, you strengthen their government because that government shows it's willing to stand up to you, and by striking them, the people will only look more and more to that strong government for protection. In desperate times, people turn to crazy, yet strong people sometimes.

Yes there are many opposition members in Iran, and that party should have won. But the country will be united by any strike against it, especially when there is inevitable collateral damage.

Ask me if I give a ****. I really don't care if Iran ever becomes a responsible government.

Send them back into an 18th century existence and keep them there, they will no longer be a threat to anyone.... or would you prefer to put it off until they have killed 15 or 20 million people and then start worrying about it.
 
Ask me if I give a ****. I really don't care if Iran ever becomes a responsible government.

Send them back into an 18th century existence and keep them there, they will no longer be a threat to anyone.... or would you prefer to put it off until they have killed 15 or 20 million people and then start worrying about it.

Remember, we weren't attacked by nukes, or wmds, or any government. People hijacked that plane. And not heavily armed people. Actions have consequences, and we don't really make ourselves any safer by blowing Iran back to the 18th century.
 
Remember, we weren't attacked by nukes, or wmds, or any government. People hijacked that plane. And not heavily armed people. Actions have consequences, and we don't really make ourselves any safer by blowing Iran back to the 18th century.

Sure we do... we keep a totally insane government from acquiring nuclear weapons. To me that seems to be a worthwhile endeavor. Or would you rather wait to worry about it until after they’ve killed 15 or 20 million people?
 
The current Iranian military maneuvers near the Straits of Hormuz remind us that an attack on Iran will trigger a closure of these Straits to 30% - 40% of the world's oil flow.

yeah... if only the US had some kind of naval presence that was more powerful than any other in the region...... we could call it the '5th Fleet' or something.... ;)


if Iran get's into a pissing match with the US; Iran loses. badly. that is why she is so desperate to get nukes and put them on missiles.
 
Sure we do... we keep a totally insane government from acquiring nuclear weapons. To me that seems to be a worthwhile endeavor. Or would you rather wait to worry about it until after they’ve killed 15 or 20 million people?

the target will be Israel. Israel has nukes on subs. Israeli subs will retaliate. you really think the deaths will be limited to 15 or 20 million people? we're talking about the potential glassing of significant chunks of the entire region.
 
That sounds like a good way to get a lot of innocent people killed :roll:

Freedom has its costs.

Of course these kooks aren't killing innocents. Would never do that would they?

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I'm getting a sneaking suspicion that to some people in this forum, an innocent Iranian woman or childrens life, has less value than an American woman or childrens life.
 
I'm getting a sneaking suspicion that to some people in this forum, an innocent Iranian woman or childrens life, has less value than an American woman or childrens life.

You mean an innocent American woman or children's life... you put innocent with Iranian but not with American. Faux pas or on purpose?
 
You mean an innocent American woman or children's life... you put innocent with Iranian but not with American. Faux pas or on purpose?

It wasn't on purpose, I meant to say they're both innocent. Niether deserve to die, and are equal as human beings. But I was merely wondering if anyone viewed the Iranian civilian as less of a person then the American one.
 
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