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FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

jallman said:
I never claimed any of those things are meals, but you knew that already. A combination of three pieces of fruit and a handful of nuts makes a pretty decent lunch.
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For who? Are you claiming that everyone has the same caloric requirements as you? You're on a diet, after all.

jallman said:
No. What does that have to do with anything?

No. Again, what does that have to do with anything?
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It has everything to do with this thread. You are not in the socioeconomic bracket that I'm even talking about, so of course you can talk like it's so easy to make healthy changes.

jallman said:
No. Good choices like staying in school and studying a marketable skill make a huge difference. But again, that has little to do with anything in relation to this thread.
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And if you're a single parent, how do you make that happen? You're a conservative and I know you tend to be against entitlement programs. So tell me, how does a single parent with a low income job further their education and also spend money on higher quality food + spend more time on preparation of said food?

I don't think you understand the full array of reasons of why people choose to eat unhealthy, fast food in today's world. There is a positive correlation between poverty and fast food consumption. Does that matter to you?

jallman said:
I'm not going to apologize for looking after my own health. In fact, I am advocating that everyone do the same.
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Straw man. I wasn't attacking you for looking after yourself. I was pointing out that you have fewer opportunity costs which is WHY you can spend 10 hours a week at the gym. You are not counted as being in the lower class.

jallman said:
No. The talk is about government involvement in issues it should not be involved in. The talk is about the government providing an unnatural advantage to the weak willed, the stupid, and the infirm by making decisions for them. The talk is about the government involving itself in business models of private corporations rather than letting the market decide what the model should be.
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I don't think we can make any headway in this discussion until you are willing to expand your scope and understanding for why people consume this kind of food. You're too busy seeing it as an issue of stupidity and placing blame on the individual when it's a holistic problem. Marketing shapes those choices.

There are stupid people in every country, so why does yours have such a high obesity rate?

jallman said:
Not my argument.
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You said your problem is the government butting its nose in where it does not belong, but you have failed to demonstrate that's what's happening here. Is part of the government's job not to reasonably ensure public health/

jallman said:
And as I said: if the food's got too much salt in it for you, choose a different food.
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Most processed foods have too much salt in them.

jallman said:
Because I think we are shallowing our gene pool by removing the consequences of personal irresponsible behavior.
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Oh I see. So you're in favor of allowing the obesity, heart disease, and diabetes epidemic to continue to your country's detriment?

I care about my country having a healthy population. I guess that is the difference between you and I. That pretty much ends the debate then.
 
jallman said:
Well you know if they are part of the evil corporate food empire that is hell bent on dominating the world through passing on the diabeetus in salt, they should be regulated.
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You know, this is the kind of hyperpartisan behavior that prevents points like mine from being heard. I am not placing all the blame on the corporations. As I said, I'm in favor of a multi-pronged approach.

Some regulations are good. It's not black and white. Just because the government is regulating a certain business behavior does not mean that there is some liberal whacko lobby out to get the big evil corporate powers.

I'm a health professional and I see the benefits of this legislation.
 
winston53660 said:
Almond milk...BLEEEECH.
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I don't really like everything I eat either. But for someone with your troubles, almonds are one of the best things you could possibly be putting in your body. Almonds provide a good source of magnesium to mop up free radicals that are particularly damaging to the heart, they lower LDL cholesterol with decreases of 8-12% seen in as little as two weeks, and they provide a good source of proteins and plant sterols.

If you eat them along with blueberries, the effects of both are cumulative. ;)
 
jallman said:
I don't really like everything I eat either. But for someone with your troubles, almonds are one of the best things you could possibly be putting in your body. Almonds provide a good source of magnesium to mop up free radicals that are particularly damaging to the heart, they lower LDL cholesterol with decreases of 8-12% seen in as little as two weeks, and they provide a good source of proteins and plant sterols.

If you eat them along with blueberries, the effects of both are cumulative. ;)
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Oh I love almonds the nuts. I get the naked ones from Whole Foods. But almond milk, NU UH... milk comes from a cow not nuts!
 
As I stood in line to get my blood pressure taken at my school's health awareness fair I thought of this thread. While we may not agree if the government should do anything I think there is one point we all can agree on. Hopefully because of this story people will be more aware of what they put into their bodies and will start to eat healthier. I myself just spent 25 dollars at our school's farmer's market and got about 20 things.
 
Orion said:
You know, this is the kind of hyperpartisan behavior that prevents points like mine from being heard. I am not placing all the blame on the corporations. As I said, I'm in favor of a multi-pronged approach.

Some regulations are good. It's not black and white. Just because the government is regulating a certain business behavior does not mean that there is some liberal whacko lobby out to get the big evil corporate powers.

I'm a health professional and I see the benefits of this legislation.
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I'm pretty sure that was a joke. We were talking about cows, after all.
 
Kelzie said:
Obviously we need to regulate cows now too.
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Nah !! We just breed sodium free cows !!! lol

I am serious about labling because my wife has/had a cronic kidney condition ( which eventually led to kidney failure and a transplant ) which requires a low sodium diet therefore labels were and are vital. Back in the seventies before labeling or good labeling was available we had to shop in the "health food stores" for no salt ( most common source of sodium) items. The people who ran those stores were whacked out hippies. But they were Einsteins they smoked orgaic pot!!

We did not need the government to make our choices for us and once labeling was the regulation it made things easier. People need to use exactly what we used - common sense to avoid excess sodium. You know if some stupidton is not supposed to consume sodium but proceeds to eat salted chips, and nuts, and cold cuts ( which are big with sodium and nitrate presevatives) then that bozo deserves to die. MAybe some people are just too stupid to live and should not be iN the gene pool any longer.

A little harsh but if someone is that stupid or ignorant then even a 24/7 dose of government will not save them.
 
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Orion said:
For who? Are you claiming that everyone has the same caloric requirements as you? You're on a diet, after all.
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No, I am not on a diet. I haven't been on a diet since mid march. I just make healthy choices about what I eat when I am on the go and I am on the go for much of my day.

It has everything to do with this thread. You are not in the socioeconomic bracket that I'm even talking about, so of course you can talk like it's so easy to make healthy changes.
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I was a dirt poor college student and I still made healthy choices about what to eat.

And if you're a single parent, how do you make that happen? You're a conservative and I know you tend to be against entitlement programs. So tell me, how does a single parent with a low income job further their education and also spend money on higher quality food + spend more time on preparation of said food?
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Prioritizing. And understanding that being a little tired and/or missing Letterman while you make food in advance isn't going to kill you. But gubment cheese will kill you.

I don't think you understand the full array of reasons of why people choose to eat unhealthy, fast food in today's world.
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No, I don't understand why people choose to eat unhealthy. But I am glad to see you recognize that it's a choice all the same.

There is a positive correlation between poverty and fast food consumption. Does that matter to you?
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No. Not one iota. I don't care what the reason is. I don't actually care that they do it at all until I hear about an expansion of government power to keep them from making their own choices.

Straw man. I wasn't attacking you for looking after yourself. I was pointing out that you have fewer opportunity costs which is WHY you can spend 10 hours a week at the gym. You are not counted as being in the lower class.
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I spent many years of my adult life well below the poverty line. I still managed to keep myself healthy.

I don't think we can make any headway in this discussion until you are willing to expand your scope and understanding for why people consume this kind of food. You're too busy seeing it as an issue of stupidity and placing blame on the individual when it's a holistic problem. Marketing shapes those choices.

There are stupid people in every country, so why does yours have such a high obesity rate?
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Stupidity in Africa manifests itself in grabbing lions by the tail. Stupidity manifests itself in America by sucking down a supersized quarter pounder meal every day. In the end, it's still stupidity that takes the stupid out of the gene pool.


You said your problem is the government butting its nose in where it does not belong, but you have failed to demonstrate that's what's happening here. Is part of the government's job not to reasonably ensure public health/
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Reasonably, yes. Limiting how food is prepared, no.

Most processed foods have too much salt in them.
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So. Don't. Eat. So. Much. Processed. Food. How many ways can I spell that out?

Oh I see. So you're in favor of allowing the obesity, heart disease, and diabetes epidemic to continue to your country's detriment?
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It's never to a country's detriment to have weakness and stupidity removed from the breeding pool.

I care about my country having a healthy population.
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Me, too.

I guess that is the difference between you and I. That pretty much ends the debate then.
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Oh yes, now comes the "OMG, you're such big meanie. Won't someone think of the CHILDREN!!!!?!!!?!???!?" schtick.

Save your breath. I am not moved by emotional displays.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh I love almonds the nuts. I get the naked ones from Whole Foods. But almond milk, NU UH... milk comes from a cow not nuts!
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Do me a favor and eat lots of them. At least a handful a day. And some blueberries in your steel oats every day.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh I love almonds the nuts. I get the naked ones from Whole Foods. But almond milk, NU UH... milk comes from a cow not nuts!
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See your point ! I laugh when I see "Soy Milk " or Silk Soy Milk. Come on now that is not milk, it's soy juice. Or bean juice for God's sake. This is were labeling is important for the ignorant so the label will tell the numbnuts that there are buying bean juice not milk.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
See your point ! I laugh when I see "Soy Milk " or Silk Soy Milk. Come on now that is not milk, it's soy juice. Or bean juice for God's sake. This is were labeling is important for the ignorant so the label will tell the numbnuts that there are buying bean juice not milk.
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LMFAO The people who buy that (and I buy coconut milk myself), buy it for a reason. Because it's NOT cow's milk. That IS the reason they buy it. Some people are vegans, some have lactose intolerance, some just like the alternative milks better.
 
rivrrat said:
LMFAO The people who buy that (and I buy coconut milk myself), buy it for a reason. Because it's NOT cow's milk. That IS the reason they buy it. Some people are vegans, some have lactose intolerance, some just like the alternative milks better.
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I love almond milk. If I have a choice between it and regular milk, I will choose the almond milk.

If I do drink regular milk, it's got to be whole milk from glass bottle, ice cold and the cream scooped off the top before I pour it. And I usually use the cream in place of butter on a slice of toast.
 
jallman said:
I love almond milk. If I have a choice between it and regular milk, I will choose the almond milk.

If I do drink regular milk, it's got to be whole milk from glass bottle, ice cold and the cream scooped off the top before I pour it. And I usually use the cream in place of butter on a slice of toast.
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I've not tried almond milk but I imagine it's super high in protein. Since I'm trying to increase my protein intake, I might give it a try.

The coconut milk was surprisingly good. And I don't mean the thick canned stuff. I'm talking the cow milk alternative stuff. lol

As for cow's milk, I went to whole awhile back. Then to organic. And now to non-homogenized. And yes, glass bottles. :) I'm going to try and find a local dairy to buy from.
 
rivrrat said:
LMFAO The people who buy that (and I buy coconut milk myself), buy it for a reason. Because it's NOT cow's milk. That IS the reason they buy it. Some people are vegans, some have lactose intolerance, some just like the alternative milks better.
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I have had a minor case of lactose intollerance but I just avoid that stuff. Yet as much as I miss good ice cream unless I take Lactate I refuse to eat that soy bean bloppo make believe frozen curd ball stuff.

BTW do coconuts have udders!!! sorry !! no more, back to seriousocity !!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
I have had a minor case of lactose intollerance but I just avoid that stuff. Yet as much as I miss good ice cream unless I take Lactate I refuse to eat that soy bean bloppo make believe frozen curd ball stuff.

BTW do coconuts have udders!!! sorry !! no more, back to seriousocity !!
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Stick some rum in with that coconut milk add ice blend and wallah;)
 
jallman said:
I love almond milk. If I have a choice between it and regular milk, I will choose the almond milk.

If I do drink regular milk, it's got to be whole milk from glass bottle, ice cold and the cream scooped off the top before I pour it. And I usually use the cream in place of butter on a slice of toast.
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Where do you get your milk? Straight from the cow?;)
 
jallman said:
I love almond milk. If I have a choice between it and regular milk, I will choose the almond milk.

If I do drink regular milk, it's got to be whole milk from glass bottle, ice cold and the cream scooped off the top before I pour it. And I usually use the cream in place of butter on a slice of toast.
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I love Almond Breeze, if you know that brand. :D

Whole milk in a glass bottle is expensive here, for some reason.
 
Orion said:
I love Almond Breeze, if you know that brand. :D

Whole milk in a glass bottle is expensive here, for some reason.
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I like the vanilla but for some reason I can't stomach the chocolate.
 
Kelzie said:
Well of course it's not about choice. It's about sodium not being so present in everything that it's difficult to find something processed without it. This way, people have go out of their way to consume it. They still can. I imagine a lot less will though, because people are lazy. Hence, our obesity problem.
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And with that comes the omnipotent invitation from government to tell us how to run our businesses and our lives.

You know, the state of most Homo Sapiens is to be lazy. Ben Franklin noted this with his "keeping the Republic" comment. That is their choice to be lazy. It is their free will to chose this state. It is their free will to eat salt. It is the mfg.'s free will to produce products with salt quantities they deem just right to sell their product.

Seeing as laziness is the state of man, perhaps a few hundred pin heads in government can organize our entire lives? That is what your comments advocate. There is always and forever a role for government to dictate every aspect of our lives... because people are too lazy.

The contrast between abortion and salt is an interesting one. We can "rightfully" kill a million bambini's a year, but cannot allow mfg.'s to put salt in the food in the quantities they see fit. The left and their Trons are a curious beast, if only for the contradictions.

I wonder how they will square traditional food specialties under these laws? You know, those preserved with salt or very salty brine. Do they get an exception from the salt police? Do they have to be labeled with special warnings? If so, why? Or will these foods be removed from shelves because of a small portion of a fat, lazy, slobs in our society? I don't mean physically fat, lazy slobs, I mean intellectually fat, lazy and ignorant slobs.

PS. Did they ever teach you anything about The Constitution in school or was it only the Commi Manifesto?

May I call you Ward?

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jallman said:
No, I get it at whole foods or trader joe.

But I grew up on milk straight from the cow. Or the goat.
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I love goat cheese. I know, I know, I am just asking for it by saying that.:roll:
 
zimmer said:
And with that comes the omnipotent invitation from government to tell us how to run our businesses and our lives.
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Not our lives. And they already monitor hundreds of chemicals in food. Are you upset with the ammonia limit in ground beef?

You know, the state of most Homo Sapiens is to be lazy. Ben Franklin noted this with his "keeping the Republic" comment. That is their choice to be lazy. It is their free will to chose this state. It is their free will to eat salt. It is the mfg.'s free will to produce products with salt quantities they deem just right to sell their product.
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The manufacturers support it. Now where's your argument?

Seeing as laziness is the state of man, perhaps a few hundred pin heads in government can organize our entire lives? That is what your comments advocate. There is always and forever a role for government to dictate every aspect of our lives... because people are too lazy.
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I don't see the direct line between processed food containing less salt and the government running our entire lives. Can you draw me a road map?

The contrast between abortion and salt is an interesting one. We can "rightfully" kill a million bambini's a year, but cannot allow mfg.'s to put salt in the food in the quantities they see fit. The left and their Trons are a curious beast, if only for the contradictions.
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I haven't actually seen the movie, so your references continue to be lost on me. Just add more salt! Are you really that lazy that the thought of having to get up to get your salt shaker sends you into a conservative seizure?

I must say though that I am very flattered that you have payed such close attention to my posts. Do you drink organic milk?

I wonder how they will square traditional food specialties under these laws? You know, those preserved with salt or very salty brine. Do they get an exception from the salt police? Do they have to be labeled with special warnings? If so, why? Or will these foods be removed from shelves because of a small portion of a fat, lazy, slobs in our society? I don't mean physically fat, lazy slobs, I mean intellectually fat, lazy and ignorant slobs.
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Good god I hope so. Prosciutto is god's hammy gift to mankind. I'm assuming only certain industries will be affected.

PS. Did they ever teach you anything about The Constitution in school or was it only the Commi Manifesto?
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It might have come up a time or two.

May I call you Ward?

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...interesting question. May I call you Al?
 
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