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Gun rights advocates rally in Washington, Virginia

Welcome to the state of NJ, where with the swipe of a pen, not only were citizens denied the sale of certain guns, but many instantly became outlaws, owning weapons that based on cosmetics were now banned.....



I owned a Marlin .22 at the time. I was an outlaw. :doh
You outlaw you!

You coulda put someone's eye out with that contraband .22. :rofl
 
You outlaw you!

You coulda put someone's eye out with that contraband .22. :rofl





dood, its a beutiful gun.


Quite the assault rifle. :ssst:


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With any gun control laws that have ever been passed. Has an honest citizen ever flat out been denied the sale of a gun?
Absolutely - 1994-2004 people were denied the purchase of all kinds of guns.
People are denied purchases of guns in several major US cities, and have been for decades.
 
Are you opposed to a backround check before buying a gun?
Background checks are a version of what we call 'prior restraint' where the government denies you the exercise of your right on the grounds that you might be doing something illegal. In our system, that violates our Constitution.

And so, we are opposed.
 
Background checks are a version of what we call 'prior restraint' where the government denies you the exercise of your right on the grounds that you might be doing something illegal. In our system, that violates our Constitution.

And so, we are opposed.

No, you aren't restrained from buying a gun due to a background check, unless you fail it.
 
No, you aren't restrained from buying a gun due to a background check, unless you fail it.

So you wouldn't be restrained from free speech as long as you pass a back ground check? What about permit/license and registration requirements for free speech,surely as long as you do those things your right to free speech is unrestrained.
 
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So you wouldn't be restrained from free speech as long as you pass a back ground check?

Not if I am able to speak in full.

What about permit/license and registration requirements for free speech,surely as long as you do those things your right to free speech is unrestrained.

Those are different things. Those aren't prior restraint, they're just restraint. Assuming those regulations are constitutional, a background check to make sure someone meets them certainly is. It's simply verifying. If you're under 18 and can't vote yet, it's not prior restraint on the right to vote to check your ID beforehand, even if you're actually over 18.
 
No, you aren't restrained from buying a gun due to a background check, unless you fail it.

what if you are delayed due to

1) someone else with a similar name has a felony

2) you are in a job that has alot of background inquiries--ie a court security officer, trust officer at a bank, federal agent etc

3) the clown at the BCI screws up

I have seen hundreds of delays where the person was not a criminal
 
I can't remember anything significant being said by the Obama administration on the issue. I'm not aware of any plans when it comes to gun control. It's being left up to the states, where it should be.

Of course the Obama Administration isn't saying anything. They have us distracted with Obamacare and bank reform, while they go quietly about their gun ban agenda in the UN.

U.S AGREES TO TIMETABLE FOR U.N. GUN BAN - Patriotic Resistance
 
what if you are delayed due to

1) someone else with a similar name has a felony

2) you are in a job that has alot of background inquiries--ie a court security officer, trust officer at a bank, federal agent etc

3) the clown at the BCI screws up

I have seen hundreds of delays where the person was not a criminal

That would suck, and we should fix that. But are mistakes unconstitutional?

If the regulations are constitutional, then making someone wait is worth keeping guns out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. That's the assumption inherent in the regulations anyway.

This is a bit like the "no-fly" list to stop terrorists from getting on planes. Some innocent people get caught up in it, but that doesn't mean we should scrap the list altogether.
 
Those are different things. Those aren't prior restraint, they're just restraint.
Those things are no different than a background. check.No background check no free speech, no registration no free speech, no permit/license no free speech.
 
If it came to that I would hope the citizenry of this great country would declare open season on anything wearing a powder blue helmet.

I foresee alotta blue helmets piled up all over the country.

It's coming. Wait and see.
 
If it came to that I would hope the citizenry of this great country would declare open season on anything wearing a powder blue helmet.

I foresee alotta blue helmets piled up all over the country.

It's coming. Wait and see.

It's not going to happen, but like with just about anything, I think you guys underestimate the level of apathy in this country.
 
It's not going to happen, but like with just about anything, I think you guys underestimate the level of apathy in this country.
I hope that it's just extremist bluster in that article, really I do. But I have read much of the UN gun agenda and it is concerning, as well, the UN tries to play "world governing body" a little too much for my liking and they are sovereignity killers. All that being said I hope things never come to violence, but if this particular extremist is correct, I hope the UN gets a loud and clear message from the American people in the way of body counts. As well, I agree with you on apathy in this country, but you'd have to agree that many are starting to wake up.
 
I hope that it's just extremist bluster in that article, really I do. But I have read much of the UN gun agenda and it is concerning, as well, the UN tries to play "world governing body" a little too much for my liking and they are sovereignity killers. All that being said I hope things never come to violence, but if this particular extremist is correct, I hope the UN gets a loud and clear message from the American people in the way of body counts. As well, I agree with you on apathy in this country, but you'd have to agree that many are starting to wake up.

I don't know. The only folks that I interact with who seem to give a **** are on DP. People are HERE because they give a crap.
 
It's not going to happen, but like with just about anything, I think you guys underestimate the level of apathy in this country.

Well, you're probably right. Not because, "it can't happen here", but because I don't think any country on the planet has the guts to put it's soldiers in such a position. However, you're only probably right.
 
I don't know. The only folks that I interact with who seem to give a **** are on DP. People are HERE because they give a crap.
This is true, but seemingly the subscribership has been increasing here, and nationally polling is starting to show(even though I hate polls they do have some usage) that people are becoming more politically involved on all sides of the issues so we can't know whether that momentum will continue or not, but I hope that people keep up the interest because we are at a time where discussion is sorely needed.
 
This is true, but seemingly the subscribership has been increasing here, and nationally polling is starting to show(even though I hate polls they do have some usage) that people are becoming more politically involved on all sides of the issues so we can't know whether that momentum will continue or not, but I hope that people keep up the interest because we are at a time where discussion is sorely needed.

Though I agree that people are becoming slightly more involved, from what I see, most of these folks are ill-informed. They tend to get their information from "infotainment".
 
Though I agree that people are becoming slightly more involved, from what I see, most of these folks are ill-informed. They tend to get their information from "infotainment".
I'm 50/50 on that. The media in this country is horribly biased right now on every side of the aisle and it does us a disservice, then we have politicians who will say anything to get elected based on polls(which should be completely illegal BTW) and we never know where they stand. Then we have an electorate that just doesn't care. However I think the backend of the current theories are kicking in and the predicted results are starting to show in reality, when people start to see that things they enjoy are under attack, and that their paychecks are shrinking due to taxes while simultaneously not going as far, and then they see the rest of how they are being sold out it is starting to get people engaged. It's slow right now, but I see hope in the way the pace is increasing.
 
I'm 50/50 on that. The media in this country is horribly biased right now on every side of the aisle and it does us a disservice, then we have politicians who will say anything to get elected based on polls(which should be completely illegal BTW) and we never know where they stand. Then we have an electorate that just doesn't care. However I think the backend of the current theories are kicking in and the predicted results are starting to show in reality, when people start to see that things they enjoy are under attack, and that their paychecks are shrinking due to taxes while simultaneously not going as far, and then they see the rest of how they are being sold out it is starting to get people engaged. It's slow right now, but I see hope in the way the pace is increasing.

Perhaps. I'm not thrilled with the direction, though. Most of what I see is "this sucks", and "I don't like this" rather than, "let's try this" or "here's an idea".
 
Perhaps. I'm not thrilled with the direction, though. Most of what I see is "this sucks", and "I don't like this" rather than, "let's try this" or "here's an idea".
I am going to coin a term here. GPS, or General Populace Syndrome; Here is my take on this, most people are interested in maintaining a personal/familial/inner circle quality of life and therefore are not interested in the bigger picture. These folks are great people, but politics and critical thinking over an extended range of subjects are not skills they developed due to either less of a desire to learn or an ability to use secondary thoughts in life's pursuits rather they choose learning to facilitate a desired lifestyle and so now the ultimate payload cache of this lack of critical thinking development is showing because things have gotten bad quickly, so, we have people who know a situation sucks and they need for more advanced thinkers to offer solutions because the intellectuals of note have failed, leaving a dissatisfied populace without immediate and direct discourse.

As well, higher education isn't what it used to be. If colleges and universities would facilitate the kind of on the move critical thinking required of bad situations we would have a public of millions of free thinking, unfettered problem solvers.

We have a lot of work to do.:(
 
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I am going to coin a term here. GPS, or General Populace Syndrome; Here is my take on this, most people are interested in maintaining a personal/familial/inner circle quality of life and therefore are not interested in the bigger picture. These folks are great people, but politics and critical thinking over an extended range of subjects are not skills they developed due to either less of a desire to learn or an ability to use secondary thoughts in life's pursuits rather they choose learning to facilitate a desired lifestyle and so now the ultimate payload cache of this lack of critical thinking development is showing because things have gotten bad quickly, so, we have people who know a situation sucks and they need for more advanced thinkers to offer solutions because the intellectuals of note have failed, leaving a dissatisfied populace without immediate and direct discourse.

As well, higher education isn't what it used to be. If colleges and universities would facilitate the kind of on the move critical thinking required of bad situations we would have a public of millions of free thinking, unfettered problem solvers.

We have a lot of work to do.:(

I like your term. The concept is one I have professed for a long time. Ultimately, most folks couldn't care less about what happens unless it affects them and the inner circle in which they live. Unfortunately, what most folks don't realize is that we are all connected in some way, and what affects some, affects others... and so on. Humans by their very nature are self-focused, and though social beings, are not socially process oriented. What one gets out of things is often as far as one can see.
 
I am going to coin a term here. GPS, or General Populace Syndrome; Here is my take on this, most people are interested in maintaining a personal/familial/inner circle quality of life and therefore are not interested in the bigger picture. These folks are great people, but politics and critical thinking over an extended range of subjects are not skills they developed due to either less of a desire to learn or an ability to use secondary thoughts in life's pursuits rather they choose learning to facilitate a desired lifestyle and so now the ultimate payload cache of this lack of critical thinking development is showing because things have gotten bad quickly, so, we have people who know a situation sucks and they need for more advanced thinkers to offer solutions because the intellectuals of note have failed, leaving a dissatisfied populace without immediate and direct discourse.

As well, higher education isn't what it used to be. If colleges and universities would facilitate the kind of on the move critical thinking required of bad situations we would have a public of millions of free thinking, unfettered problem solvers.

We have a lot of work to do.:(



Sheeple. :mrgreen:
 
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