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White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

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White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

A white supremacist group rallied against illegal immigration in downtown Los Angeles Saturday as hundreds of counter-protesters gathered to shout them down in a tense standoff that included several arrests, thrown rocks and police in riot gear.

Police officers stood between the white supremacists and counter-demonstrators on the south lawn of Los Angeles' City Hall, where about 50 members of the National Socialist Movement waved American flags and swastika banners for about an hour.

While both sides should be allowed to be their, protesting, I only wish that a fw of the Nazi's had gotten angry, violent, and arrested rather then the counter-demonstrators...but that's just me.

Anyone think the Nazi's could be inciting others to riot, and be persecuted as such?
 
Never understood why the dregs of the white race tend to be the white "Supremacists"
 
A group of racist Nazi scum being counter protested against by pro-illegal scum.So basically it is a one anti-American(Nazis, seeing how they were our enemies in WWII) group being counter protested by another anti-American group(Pro-illegals seeing how they endorse an unarmed invasion of our country). Maybe next we will see PETA being counter protested by Code Pink or Code Pink being counter protested by Fred Phelps.
 
A group of racist Nazi scum being counter protested against by pro-illegal scum.So basically it is a one anti-American(Nazis, seeing how they were our enemies in WWII) group being counter protested by another anti-American group(Pro-illegals seeing how they endorse an unarmed invasion of our country). Maybe next we will see PETA being counter protested by Code Pink or Code Pink being counter protested by Fred Phelps.

The only other people who advance such ridiculous fallacies of equivalence are the Nazis/white supremacists themselves. They say, "But we just want to do for the white race what the NAACP does for the black race!" and things of that nature.
 
The only other people who advance such ridiculous fallacies of equivalence are the Nazis/white supremacists themselves. They say, "But we just want to do for the white race what the NAACP does for the black race!" and things of that nature.

Whites don't need white supremacists. We're already advantaged by history.
 
Whites don't need white supremacists. We're already advantaged by history.

"Whites" in the generic sense are, though it's traditionally been the "WASP" population that's been at the center of a white supremacist national history in the U.S., with "white ethnics" being discriminated against because of their religious deviance or perceived impurity. Hitler himself was certainly not a pan-white activist. And there are still certain "white ethnics" that aren't considered white by the general public, such as those within the Hispanic population...there's even confusion about the fact that Spaniards themselves are white.

But yes, you've certainly hit the general point. The NAACP formed due to the nee to unite against racial discrimination against a black minority. White supremacy (which the moderates among them will attempt to depict as "white nationalism" or "white separatism," though this is rarely legitimate), formed primarily for the purpose of opposing racial equality, but with the guise of opposing oppression of whites, since they consider affirmative action parallel to lynching, evidently. It's actually rather perverse that there are equivalences drawn between Nazis and the NAACP, or between Nazis and immigrant rights protesters.
 
A group of racist Nazi scum being counter protested against by pro-illegal scum.So basically it is a one anti-American(Nazis, seeing how they were our enemies in WWII) group being counter protested by another anti-American group(Pro-illegals seeing how they endorse an unarmed invasion of our country). Maybe next we will see PETA being counter protested by Code Pink or Code Pink being counter protested by Fred Phelps.

Just pointing out, the unarmed invasion is helping support our economy by taking the super low wage jobs no one else will.
 
You know, it's a good protest. It's just the wrong kind of people making it.
 
Just pointing out, the unarmed invasion is helping support our economy by taking the super low wage jobs no one else will.

The unarmed invasion is the reason the jobs pay so little no american will take them.
 
Nazi's are white supremacists? I thought they only favored people of the Aryan race, regardless if they're white.
 
White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.



While both sides should be allowed to be their, protesting, I only wish that a fw of the Nazi's had gotten angry, violent, and arrested rather then the counter-demonstrators...but that's just me.

Anyone think the Nazi's could be inciting others to riot, and be persecuted as such?

You really think the other side doesn't have racists?

Ever heard of La Raza?
 
The only other people who advance such ridiculous fallacies of equivalence are the Nazis/white supremacists themselves. They say, "But we just want to do for the white race what the NAACP does for the black race!" and things of that nature.

That just shows how ignorant you are on the subject.

Reconquista.

Look it up.

Racists are on both sides and to pretend only whitey can be racist is just pure ignorance.
 
You really think the other side doesn't have racists?

Ever heard of La Raza?

Yea, but that's no excuse to support the racist buttheads from our side. It's a good cause, but we can have a decent protest with saner people.
 
Yea, but that's no excuse to support the racist buttheads from our side.

Show me one place where I said I support those neo nazis. Please do not lie about what I say.

And don't pretend you weren't inferring it either.
 
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Show me one place where I said I support those neo nazis. Please do not lie about what I say.

And don't pretend you weren't inferring it either.

He was not. You misunderstood what he said.

PS I don't see anything racist about La Raza? It is an Hispanic help org, so what?
 
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He was not. You misunderstood what he said.

No I didn't. He responded to me suggesting we should not support these neo nazis.

There was no need to say it because no one on this thread ever said one word of support for them.

But go ahead and explain why he said that even though no one had defended the neo nazis. What possible point was to be made making a statement of response to an action no one took?

PS I don't see anything racist about La Raza? It is an Hispanic help org, so what?

La Raza aka the race. You would literally have to be a fool not to see the connection but if you need more:

One of America's greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

"Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we...should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot...Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas ... It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny." (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. ... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. ... We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."


- HUMAN EVENTS

Their form of racism is no different than white supremacists.

Is every member of La Raza a racist? No. But the message they send is clear. They look out only for their own race and see American borders as an invasion of "their" land.
 
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Its really a shame that white people who want to celebrate their race (for the right reasons) are looked down upon. I feel like this is because whites in general have no unifying culture.

Now wait. Before you jump down my throat, what I mean to say is that since the white population is so large and so spread out across the world, there is nothing that unites them. Of course, there are cultural norms that unify Italians and Irish and Germans and so on, but not whites in general. This is why its looked down upon.

However, it seems impossible for whites as a whole to create a unifying culture, because in general, the white "culture" is essentially everything that is "not non-white." What I mean is that Italians have specific cultural concepts, Irish have concepts, Germans have concepts, but the entire white race does not have these things to call specific.

Okay, now you can jump down my throat.
 
No I didn't. He responded to me suggesting we should not support these neo nazis.

There was no need to say it because no one on this thread ever said one word of support for them.

But go ahead and explain why he said that even though no one had defended the neo nazis. What possible point was to be made making a statement of response to an action no one took?

You are reading WAY to much into it man. WAY to much.

La Raza aka the race. You would literally have to be a fool not to see the connection but if you need more:

One of America's greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

"Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we...should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot...Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas ... It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny." (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

"In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. ... Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. ... We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."

That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: "For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing."


- HUMAN EVENTS

Their form of racism is no different than white supremacists.

Is every member of La Raza a racist? No. But the message they send is clear. They look out only for their own race and see American borders as an invasion of "their" land.

Oh no! we should run in fear because it means "the race". :doh

Dude, they are celebrating the race and culture they come from and legally trying to help each other. Nothing racist about that. So I guess Saint Patric's day is racist for celebrating the Irish. :lol:

Tex your argument on this is out there man.
 
You are reading WAY to much into it man. WAY to much.



Oh no! we should run in fear because it means "the race". :doh

Dude, they are celebrating the race and culture they come from and legally trying to help each other. Nothing racist about that. So I guess Saint Patric's day is racist for celebrating the Irish. :lol:

Tex your argument on this is out there man.

I was under the impression that Saint Patrick's day was celebrated because he brought Catholicism to the pagans(although that seems kind ironic seeing how Catholics are pagans) in Ireland in which the rest of the world now sees as a national drinking holiday, not because of Irish identity.
 
Never understood why the dregs of the white race tend to be the white "Supremacists"

Well, because at some level they know they are the dregs of society, and rather than deal with this realization in a way that might elevate them above that status in some real way, they go the easy route by creating this fantasy.
 
Oh no! we should run in fear because it means "the race". :doh

Dude, they are celebrating the race and culture they come from and legally trying to help each other. Nothing racist about that. So I guess Saint Patric's day is racist for celebrating the Irish. :lol:

Tex your argument on this is out there man.

Sure, there is nothing wrong with celebrating your race I guess... But fascist groups like the KKK have not and are not just "celebrating." They torture and kill anyone who doesn't look like them. You can't just go around doing horrible things to people and call it celebrating. It's madness.
 
I was under the impression that Saint Patrick's day was celebrated because he brought Catholicism to the pagans(although that seems kind ironic seeing how Catholics are pagans) in Ireland in which the rest of the world now sees as a national drinking holiday, not because of Irish identity.

Jam I love you but wow.

So I guess the wearing of green, Irish dance and music, green beer and all the kiss me I'm Irish buttons are just sort of there? :lol:
 
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