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White Supremacists, Demonstrators square off in L.A.

So we can judge an organization by what any of its members may have said now?
That's your qualification. You stated La Raza has not endorsed that saying. La Raza is an organization and we know where they stand by what they choose or do not choose to tell the public. So you answered your own question before you asked it. Congrats.

Cool! I have some awesome signs proving all teabaggers are racist idiots!

I'm sure you've proven a lot of things to yourself. And what you do sexually is your business.

Come on, Ockham, don't pretend to be dumb to score points, it's pathetic.
I sometimes have to lower my level consciously to get others on board with concepts which elude them. It's temporary.
 
That's your qualification. You stated La Raza has not endorsed that saying. La Raza is an organization and we know where they stand by what they choose or do not choose to tell the public. So you answered your own question before you asked it. Congrats.

The motto that was claimed to be La Raza's is not it's motto. Case closed.

And this is hilarious: "we know where they stand by what they choose or do not choose to tell the public."

Did you really actually say that? Did you think first?
 
Rev. Wright, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan... Black Supremacists.

What good for one group of chaotic nutjobs is equally good for the others.

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You forgot Father Michael Pfleger, Pastor Jeremiah Wright, and Barry Soetoro.
 
It is too bad that it was the the NAZI White Supremacists group who took up the banner to counter protest the pro-illegals supporters. Illegal immigration is indeed a major pepoblem in our country and is and will continue to undermine the security, economy, govenmental, and social structures of our country unless it is stopped. I would like to think that some administartion soon will take this problem and solve it, or at least try to.

Reagan did nothing abut it. Bush I did about as much. Monica's Boyfriend would rather have didlled an illegal than throw one out. Shrub I made sounds about it but for practical purposes did about as much as the Intern Diddler did. What will BO POTUS do ??

Open the borders wide, give citizenship to any that walk across or are already here.

Then stand back and say he solved our illegal alien problem.
 
Has anyone else noticed this. Certain people or groups who are oppsed to illegal immigration are also opposed to legal immigration. Or put in another way certain people who dislike immigrants dislike all immigrants.

I am technically an immigrant since I came here on that proverbial boat as a 2 year old. I have been a target of anti- immigrant rhetoric but ostly when I hear such rhetoric the self styled "super patriot" doesn't realize that I am an immigrant since I grew up here and do not speak with an accept except a New England Yankee one.

I do fear that a cross over hatred attack will spill over from illegal immigrants to us legals, and it already has to a degree.

I am vehemently opposed to illegal aliens (they aren't immigrants, as immigrants, by definition, are here legally).

I am not opposed to immigrants as my wife is an immigrant. She has been here for 18 years. She is a property owner, a tax payer, has a BS in nursing, and is an RN with a job...... and she still has to wait in line to become a citizen whereas Illegal Aliens won't if Barry gets his way.
 
Never is an absolute - one person claiming to be a member of La Raza may have said it at some point whether publicly of which you may or may not be aware. Hence, what I said stands.

The claim was not that a member of La Raza said it. The claim was that it was an organizational motto. You understand the difference, right? Or don't you?

Ok. No one's comparing or making a claim one is the other.

It seems clear to me that La Raza has continually been mistaken for MecHa on this thread.
 
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And dig our ditches.
And manage our sewers.
And clean rich bastards homes.
And work the agriculture jobs.
And take your garbage to the dump.
And paint your house.
And do your yard work.
And clean public bathrooms.
And help people move furniture.
And do laundry for the hotels.
And help build our roads.
And fix holes in our roofs.

In other words, they do the jobs that Americans don't want to take. You should be saying thank you.

Got news for you...... all of those are fairly high paying low skill jobs that low skill citizens of this country would love to have, if they weren't taken by illegal aliens working under the table.

(and don’t tell me illegal aliens don’t work under the table….. I spent 25 years in the construction trades)
 
1. We do NOT pray to saints, we ask them to pray on our behalf, much as we would also ask a friend or fellow parishoner to do the same.

You keep telling yourself that. It is still praying. Unless the saint is alive and has a telephone there is no way to talk to a saint without praying. And why do you "talk" to a saint? IS it to ask/petition that saint for something much the same way when you pray to God you ask him/petition for something?

2. When we "venerate" a saint, it is showing heartfelt respect for the example that person shows the faithful and that we should also learn to apply their lessons in our own lives.

You do pray to saints.Quit living in denial. Do you even have an idea what venerate means? Lets look up a thesaurus to see what venerate is synonymous with.
Venerate Synonyms | Synonyms of Venerate and Antonyms of Venerate at Thesaurus.com

Synonyms: admire, adore, apotheosize, appreciate, be in awe of, cherish, deify, esteem, exalt, hallow, hold in awe, honor, idolize, look up to, love, put on a pedestal, regard, respect, reverence, think highly of, treasure, value, worship






3. As for "most Christians", you should know that there are nearly three times more Catholics than Protestants and then you have Eastern Orthodox in addition to Catholics and even Protestant sects like Anglicans.

Catholics are not Christians so yours stats are completely flawed. Christians only pray to God and do not keep idols(statues or icons of saints).
 
You keep telling yourself that. It is still praying.

No, we are telling YOU that because you are the one that is confused.

Unless the saint is alive and has a telephone there is no way to talk to a saint without praying. And why do you "talk" to a saint? IS it to ask/petition that saint for something much the same way when you pray to God you ask him/petition for something?

No, it is communion with the saints...fellowship as a form of veneration. communo sanctorum. Look it up.

You do pray to saints.

No we do not and no matter how many times you mindlessly repeat your talking point, it's not going to make it true.

Quit living in denial. Do you even have an idea what venerate means?

Much more of an idea than you seem to have.

Lets look up a thesaurus to see what venerate is synonymous with.
Venerate Synonyms | Synonyms of Venerate and Antonyms of Venerate at Thesaurus.com

Synonyms: admire, adore, apotheosize, appreciate, be in awe of, cherish, deify, esteem, exalt, hallow, hold in awe, honor, idolize, look up to, love, put on a pedestal, regard, respect, reverence, think highly of, treasure, value, worship

OK, and your point? Those are synonyms but they are no equivalent definitions in all cases.






Catholics are not Christians

Yes we are. Every source other than you (and possibly whatever dip**** preacher you've been listening to on the 700 Club at 4AM) lists Catholics as Christians. Because we are Christians. I don't care what some backwater swamp-snake handling evangelical has been telling you. Catholics are Christians.

so yours stats are completely flawed.

Says the guy who doesn't understand the words "pagan" or "Christians".

Christians only pray to God and do not keep idols(statues or icons of saints).

By your interpretation, if you keep a picture of your mother, you are breaking the Exodus scripture. Thank God your interpretation is just a ****ed up pile of horse****. Christians know to give praise to God for even the smallest of favors.
 
The motto that was claimed to be La Raza's is not it's motto. Case closed.

And this is hilarious: "we know where they stand by what they choose or do not choose to tell the public."

Did you really actually say that? Did you think first?

Sure. Why wouldn't I say it when you obviously didn't know. I'm here to help and while I agree, it's obvious to even the most ignorant of our society, you apparently needed to be reminded. You're welcome.
 
You keep telling yourself that. It is still praying. Unless the saint is alive and has a telephone there is no way to talk to a saint without praying. And why do you "talk" to a saint? IS it to ask/petition that saint for something much the same way when you pray to God you ask him/petition for something?

You obviously DON'T know what the word "pray" means.

You do pray to saints.Quit living in denial. Do you even have an idea what venerate means? Lets look up a thesaurus to see what venerate is synonymous with.
Venerate Synonyms | Synonyms of Venerate and Antonyms of Venerate at Thesaurus.com

Synonyms: admire, adore, apotheosize, appreciate, be in awe of, cherish, deify, esteem, exalt, hallow, hold in awe, honor, idolize, look up to, love, put on a pedestal, regard, respect, reverence, think highly of, treasure, value, worship

I prefer to look at a dictionary. My dictionary shows SEVERAL definitions for the word "venerate". As with many words in English, there are different meanings to a word depending on how it is used.

Once again, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is a FAR MORE authoritative source than anything YOU have referenced.


Catholics are not Christians so yours stats are completely flawed. Christians only pray to God and do not keep idols(statues or icons of saints).

More ignornace. You will have to answer for that one day.
 
You keep telling yourself that. It is still praying. Unless the saint is alive and has a telephone there is no way to talk to a saint without praying. And why do you "talk" to a saint? IS it to ask/petition that saint for something much the same way when you pray to God you ask him/petition for something?

Apparently, according to this, I pray to my dad. Somehow that does not bother me though.
 
Sure. Why wouldn't I say it when you obviously didn't know. I'm here to help and while I agree, it's obvious to even the most ignorant of our society, you apparently needed to be reminded. You're welcome.

Could you try making sense?

The motto isn't their motto. Case closed. It's amazing the tortured logic you'll lower yourself to in order to continue a simple falsehood. Don't debase yourself further.

You haven't come out and said you oppose raping nuns yet, BTW.
 
Jalisco. You?

"New."

Jalisco is an important and culturally rich Mexican state. It is the home of Guadalajara, the second-most populous metropolitan area in the country (second only to Mexico City itself), is the birthplace of mariachi music, as well as a famous alcoholic spirit first created from blue agave plant in a town called Tequila.

It is also a predominantly white state, despite the popular misconception in the U.S. that Mexicans are themselves a racial group, rather than a multi-racial national group. And the immigrants to the United States are primarily composed of lower class Indians (including mestizos) from the southern states, such as the Mixtec of Oaxaca. It's quite possible and simple for a white from Jalisco to be racist against an Indian from Oaxaca, even if they're both "Mexican-American." It's no more difficult than white racism against Indians here, and considering the social structure of Mexico, probably far easier. I don't know you and I haven't seen that your writing indicates that, but it's not impossible for "Mexicans" to be racist against "Mexicans." :shrug:

The Mexican comic book character "Memin Pinguin" is based on rather stereotypical "blackface" imagery and assumptions about the lifestyles of the black Mexican population (which also confuses most people).

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It's no surprise that the character is supposed to be Cuban, since a large part of the Cuban population is also black and was for a long time perceived as stupid.
 
You obviously DON'T know what the word "pray" means.

Then what are you doing when you are talking to the saints. Are you petitioning/asking them, offering them thanks or praise for something??Are you just shooting the **** with them telling them what you scored on your favorite Xbox game or how your damn kids are getting on your nerves or something else?


I prefer to look at a dictionary. My dictionary shows SEVERAL definitions for the word "venerate". As with many words in English, there are different meanings to a word depending on how it is used.
Funny how none of those synonyms are "talk to", "to petition", "to ask for something" and etc. Which is what Catholics do when they pray to saints. But most of those synonyms fall along the lines of what Catholics do with saints which is worship and idolize, make graven images and ect.


Once again, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is a FAR MORE authoritative source than anything YOU have referenced.


The Catholic church is nothing more than a pagan religious organization living in denial about the fact that they are pagans.So they are hardly a source to be trusted on what is and isn't paganism.


More ignornace. You will have to answer for that one day

Perhaps you should learn how to spell ignorance first before accusing someone of being ignorant.
 
Perhaps you should learn how to spell ignorance first before accusing someone of being ignorant.

Perhaps you should learn the meanings of the words "venerate", "pagan", and most importantly "Christian" before you start trying to be a grammar nazi over a typo.

You got pwned by your own ignorance, champ.
 
Got news for you...... all of those are fairly high paying low skill jobs that low skill citizens of this country would love to have, if they weren't taken by illegal aliens working under the table.

(and don’t tell me illegal aliens don’t work under the table….. I spent 25 years in the construction trades)

In what mother****ing country are these high paying low skill jobs? Please for ****s sake - what COUNTRY are you talking about where digging a ditch is a high paying job? How many ditches are you digging that you could make ANY kind of real living out of the act? This blue collar fallacy that at any point in history cleaning people's toilets was a way to make a living is simply a lie to hide the fact that all the people wanting those jobs are failures in life. Seriously, get an education and you won't have to take somebody's garbage out for a living.
 
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In what mother****ing country are these high paying low skill jobs? Please for ****s sake - what COUNTRY are you talking about where digging a ditch is a high paying job? How many ditches are you digging that you could make ANY kind of real living out of the act? This blue collar fallacy that at any point in history cleaning people's toilets was a way to make a living is simply a lie to hide the fact that all the people wanting those jobs are failures in life. Seriously, get an education and you won't have to take somebody's garbage out for a living.

It's all about potential, and all anyone can do is fulfil theirs to the max.

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That doesn't mean you are not right regarding high-paying jobs for this group, just that they are not necessarily failures.
 
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In what mother****ing country are these high paying low skill jobs? Please for ****s sake - what COUNTRY are you talking about where digging a ditch is a high paying job? How many ditches are you digging that you could make ANY kind of real living out of the act? This blue collar fallacy that at any point in history cleaning people's toilets was a way to make a living is simply a lie to hide the fact that all the people wanting those jobs are failures in life. Seriously, get an education and you won't have to take somebody's garbage out for a living.

Let's take your points, and I use that term loosely, one at a time.

Ditch digging. How are most ditches dug? A backhoe. What does a backhoe operator make? About $14.45 to $21.28 an hour.

PayScale - Heavy Equipment Operator Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

Cleaning toilets. Who cleans toilets besides home owners? Maids, janitors and housekeepers. How much do maids, janitors and house keepers make? Between $9.31 and $12.32 per hour.

Building Cleaning Workers

Garbage. Who takes that out? Sanitation workers. How much do they get paid? $10.13 to $18.16

PayScale - Sanitation Worker Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

Granted, these jobs don't pay as much as sucking off the public tit, but for low skill jobs they ain't all that bad. BTW........ none of the above counts in bennies, just buck per hour.
 
In what mother****ing country are these high paying low skill jobs? Please for ****s sake - what COUNTRY are you talking about where digging a ditch is a high paying job? How many ditches are you digging that you could make ANY kind of real living out of the act? This blue collar fallacy that at any point in history cleaning people's toilets was a way to make a living is simply a lie to hide the fact that all the people wanting those jobs are failures in life. Seriously, get an education and you won't have to take somebody's garbage out for a living.

Get an education? For people who don't have a college education those are decent jobs. Don't you think, Hatuey?

Hey, maybe you could get an education here, if you qualify:

Mason LIFE
 
Let's take your points, and I use that term loosely, one at a time.

Ditch digging. How are most ditches dug? A backhoe. What does a backhoe operator make? About $14.45 to $21.28 an hour.

PayScale - Heavy Equipment Operator Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

Now you're being intentionally dishonest as usual. A heavy equipment operator is NOT digging ditches which is the point people have made to you. The jobs illegals do are so low skill level that the training involved is minimal. Becoming a heavy equipment operator requires certification that no foreman on any working site would lack on for legal and safety reasons:

Heavy Equipment Operator: How Do I Become a Heavy Equipment Operator?

Heavy equipment is a category of machinery, which includes bulldozers, cranes, excavators, forklifts, and many others. Because of the large size and great strength of these machines, Heavy Equipment Operators must be well trained and highly skilled.

Cleaning toilets. Who cleans toilets besides home owners? Maids, janitors and housekeepers. How much do maids, janitors and house keepers make? Between $9.31 and $12.32 per hour.

Building Cleaning Workers

Garbage. Who takes that out? Sanitation workers. How much do they get paid? $10.13 to $18.16

PayScale - Sanitation Worker Wages, Hourly Wage Rate

Granted, these jobs don't pay as much as sucking off the public tit, but for low skill jobs they ain't all that bad. BTW........ none of the above counts in bennies, just buck per hour.

Picking more information as you see fit. The middle 50% of sanitation workers make just slightly above minimum wage at somewhere between $7.25 and $11. With only the highest 10% making above $13.

Building Cleaning Workers

The middle 50 percent earned between $7.92 and $11.10. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $7.09, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $13.72. Median hourly wages in general medical and surgical hospitals were $10.31, while median hourly wages in the traveler accommodation industry were $8.75 in May 2008.

Show me the number of illegal immigrants who have taken over the jobs above. What percentage of the 4.1 million people working in sanitation are illegals? Otherwise you're just cherry picking your information and making up **** as you go. The fallacy continues. But whatever you need to make yourself feel like cleaning up **** entitles you to $15 an hour.
 
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