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Critics Slam Decision to Name Navy Ship for John Murtha

Taking the side no one really expects from me...if people have a problem with the name, change it. I don't think it's a problem, it's just the name of a ship. I also don't think it is worth making a big deal over. If people don't like it, just change it, it's not a big deal.

They name ships as an honor to the person for whom it was named after. If such a naming is causing a partisan war then it's not worth the paint to put the name on the ship. The side issue is that should we name ships after political figures? I recall that there were people who were not happy with Reagan having a ship named after him.
 
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Oh please. Muetha publicly accused Marines OF MURDER WITHOUT EVIDENCE and REFUSED to apologized for it even after they were exonerated.

He willfully and knowingly aided the terrorists propaganda machine by airing unproven charges and concluding our marines were murders before seeing one shred of evidence.

What he did was far worse than Hanoi Jane because he brought legitimacy to Islamic terrorist propaganda.

I guess we will have agree to disagree. Jane was speading her evil during my war so I have the right to rant about her. You can have Murtha.
 
Oh please. Muetha publicly accused Marines OF MURDER WITHOUT EVIDENCE and REFUSED to apologized for it even after they were exonerated.

Which episode was this?
 
The ship could be nicknamed the USS Iron Porker and could serve alongside its sister ships the USS Benedict Arnold and the USS Jonathan Pollard

yeh and tin the same battle group as USS Chenney for exposing CIA emplyees!! tnump thump
 
Ya it takes a lot of courage and honor to falsely accuse murdering Iraqi civilians, "in cold blood," and then refusing to retract the statement after they were found innocent. :roll:

The Marines covered the crime up. Immunity was offered to some. All of them lied to investigators obstructing the truth... kinda like Libby did. The last guy is awaiting his trial and it looks like he'll go down for all of 'em. Murtha was courageous to expose it for what it reflects: the military was, and is, over deployed putting huge amounts of stress on our troops. Discharged vets have a much higher amount of suicides and domestic violence than ever in history. Why do you think that is? The courageous thing to do is speak up to fix things. The cowardly thing to do is to stick your head in the sand as if nothing is wrong.

What will ya'll say when the last guy is convicted?

Murtha is a hero.
 
The Marines covered the crime up. Immunity was offered to some. All of them lied to investigators obstructing the truth... kinda like Libby did. The last guy is awaiting his trial and it looks like he'll go down for all of 'em. Murtha was courageous to expose it for what it reflects: the military was, and is, over deployed putting huge amounts of stress on our troops. Discharged vets have a much higher amount of suicides and domestic violence than ever in history. Why do you think that is? The courageous thing to do is speak up to fix things. The cowardly thing to do is to stick your head in the sand as if nothing is wrong.

What will ya'll say when the last guy is convicted?

Murtha is a hero.

I thought that was the episode.

Murtha didn't apologize because it was an "obvious" cover up.
 
The Marines covered the crime up. Immunity was offered to some. All of them lied to investigators obstructing the truth... kinda like Libby did.

lol, the only guy who was tried for lying was found not guilty on all charges.

The last guy is awaiting his trial and it looks like he'll go down for all of 'em.

So you have one guy not charged with murder but rather with unpremeditated murder and you have 7 others who Murtha equally defamed who have had all charges outright dropped or have been found not guilty in a court of law.

What will ya'll say when the last guy is convicted?

Guilty until proven innocent, unless of course one is a jihadist held at Gitmo right? It's sad that you want to give accused terrorists more rights than accused marines, but we know which side you play for don't we?
 
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Except that never happened as it was Richard Armitage, pick up a ****ing paper.

Chenney had him do it ! Armitage was just the gopher. Why do you thing Chenney and his spawn are running their mouths so much? There are working on keeping the finger pointing away from them.
 
So you have one guy not charged with murder but rather with unpremeditated murder and you have 7 others who Murtha equally defamed who have had all charges outright dropped or have been found not guilty in a court of law.

The response was more schizophrenic than that, which implies something was deeply astray. Different persons involved in the trial had different priorities. Some people were genuinely interested in finding out exactly who was responsible and to what degree, others said there shouldn't even be a trial because no Iraqi would want to testify. The last position was particularly dubious. Basically translates into "damage control."


Guilty until proven innocent, unless of course one is a jihadist right?

If there are reasons to believe something is a cover up, we are free to argue them.

Haditha killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allegedly, five Iraqi men, a taxi driver and four teenagers, were ordered out of their car and shot dead in the street principally by Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich. After their deaths, Lt. William T. Kallop, according to his statements to investigators, arrived on the scene. Kallop and others report receiving small-arms fire, which they attributed to a nearby house. Kallop gave the order "to take the house."[20] Nineteen of those killed were in three adjacent houses which U.S. Marines entered, throwing in grenades and shooting with automatic rifles.[21] According to Kallop,

"The Marines cleared it the way they had been trained to clear it, which is frags first. … It was clear just by the looks of the room that frags went in and then the house was prepped and sprayed like with a machine gun and then they went in. And by the looks of it, they just . . . they went in, cleared the room, everybody was down."[20]

On November 20, 2005 a Marine press release from Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi reported the deaths of a U.S. Marine and 15 civilians. It said that the death of the civilians was a consequence of a roadside bomb and Iraqi insurgents. The initial U.S. military statement read:

"A US marine and 15 civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb in Haditha. Immediately following the bombing, gunmen attacked the convoy with small arms fire. Iraqi army soldiers and Marines returned fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding another."[2][22]

Eman Waleed, a nine-year-old child who witnessed the incident, described the U.S. Marines entering their house. She said:

"I couldn't see their faces very well - only their guns sticking in to the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny."[2]

The director of the local hospital in Haditha, Dr Wahid, said that the 24 bodies were brought in two American humvees [2] to the hospital around midnight on November 19. While the Marines claim that the victims had been killed by shrapnel from the roadside bomb and that the men "were saboteurs", Dr Wahid said that there were "no organs slashed by shrapnel in any of the bodies". He further claimed that it appeared that "the victims were shot in the head and chest from close range."[2]

Soon after the killings, the mayor of Haditha, Emad Jawad Hamza, led an angry delegation of elders up to the Haditha Dam Marine base allegedly complaining to the base captain.[2]

The Marine Corps paid $38,000 to the families of 15 of the dead civilians.[23].

The key point is that the soldiers were moving around; regardless of whether this allegation is right, based on the demographics of the people who were killed, we had to place the marines as moving around for these killings to make sense.
 
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Chenney had him do it ! Armitage was just the gopher. Why do you thing Chenney and his spawn are running their mouths so much? There are working on keeping the finger pointing away from them.

Wow you're joking right? Richard Armitage was a) not in the Bush inner circle, and b) was a well known beltway gossip.

Of course you have some evidence to present backing up your claim that Armitage was speaking on the behalf of anyone when he leaked the identity of Plame to Novak right? Oh wait you have the "Cheney's spawn running around running their mouths," well touche sir, that'll hold up in any court in the Continental United States, Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico to boot.

Do the gene pool a favor and go jump off a bridge before you procreate. KTHXBAI.
 
cheney directed richard armitage to leak to novak that it was plame who selected wilson...

LOL!

armitage...

and CHENEY!

LOLOL!

now, there's a TEAM!
 
Wow you're joking right? Richard Armitage was a) not in the Bush inner circle, and b) was a well known beltway gossip.

Of course you have some evidence to present backing up your claim that Armitage was speaking on the behalf of anyone when he leaked the identity of Plame to Novak right? Oh wait you have the "Cheney's spawn running around running their mouths," well touche sir, that'll hold up in any court in the Continental United States, Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico to boot.

Do the gene pool a favor and go jump off a bridge before you procreate. KTHXBAI.

So since you are unable to come up with an intelligent position you decided to make a childish attaempt at an insult. You lose. But you know that already, don't you!!
 
why did armitage whisper it to NOVAK, of all people?

LOL!
 
So since you are unable to come up with an intelligent position you decided to make a childish attaempt at an insult. You lose. But you know that already, don't you!!


An intelligent position like: "look at Cheney's spawn running around with their mouths open," an intelligent position like that?

Oh you must mean an intelligent position like facts surrounding the case like I don't know the undisputed fact that Armitage is the one that leaked the name, he has not stated that he was acting on orders from anyone, no one of note has made the assertion that he was acting on orders from anyone, there is no evidence that he was acting on orders from anyone, and that it is well known that he was not a member of the Bush inner circle and was in fact a renowned Beltway Gossip? Intelligent positions like those?

So, like I said do the gene pool a favor and ****ing kill yourself. KTHXBAI
 
I personally liked the idea of naming a Sewer Plant or Manure Farm after Bush, so I suppose that is fair.

BDS apparently remains active in a victim long after the administration has ceased to operate
 
An intelligent position like: "look at Cheney's spawn running around with their mouths open," an intelligent position like that?

Oh you must mean an intelligent position like facts surrounding the case like I don't know the undisputed fact that Armitage is the one that leaked the name, he has not stated that he was acting on orders from anyone, no one of note has made the assertion that he was acting on orders from anyone, there is no evidence that he was acting on orders from anyone, and that it is well known that he was not a member of the Bush inner circle and was in fact a renowned Beltway Gossip? Intelligent positions like those?

So, like I said do the gene pool a favor and ****ing kill yourself. KTHXBAI

go on keep up your childish retorts HA HA HA !! i LOVE IT WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER!!
 
BDS apparently remains active in a victim long after the administration has ceased to operate

No BDS with me at all, but it is apparent that ODS is running wild with many righties.
 
Here is a very good article on this sad story.

Two and a half years ago, on a cool sunny morning in Haditha, Iraq, he was just another leatherneck, part of the time-honored hoo-rah fraternity. Then, on a routine resupply mission, a roadside bomb exploded beneath a vehicle in his convoy, killing one member of Dela Cruz's Kilo Company and injuring two others.

Dela Cruz escaped physical harm. But what happened on the morning of November 19, 2005, and what Dela Cruz would later say about it, would hurt him in every other way—even as it would help turn Haditha into a household name as notorious and controversial as Abu Ghraib.

Today, Dela Cruz's testimony underlies accusations that what occurred that morning—the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians, including babies, women, and elderly people, by a squad of marines—was a revenge-driven massacre. His words form the basis of a homicide charge against his squad leader and friend, Frank Wuterich, a man Dela Cruz continues to call "a great marine."
Witness at Haditha - Chicago magazine - July 2008 - Chicago
 
An intelligent position like: "look at Cheney's spawn running around with their mouths open," an intelligent position like that?

Oh you must mean an intelligent position like facts surrounding the case like I don't know the undisputed fact that Armitage is the one that leaked the name, he has not stated that he was acting on orders from anyone, no one of note has made the assertion that he was acting on orders from anyone, there is no evidence that he was acting on orders from anyone, and that it is well known that he was not a member of the Bush inner circle and was in fact a renowned Beltway Gossip? Intelligent positions like those?

So, like I said do the gene pool a favor and ****ing kill yourself. KTHXBAI

Anyone want to try and help this guy out ? I have already sucessfully raised my children and I have no desire to try and correct some other parent's mistakes.

This is just classic "like I said do the gene pool a favor and ****ing kill yourself."
 
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Murtha made his claims after being briefed on an ongoing U.S. military investigation sparked by TIME's story, which detailed allegations that 15 Iraqis at Haditha might have been shot by Marines--not killed by a bomb, as the Marines had said. "It's much worse than was reported," said Murtha, the top Democrat on the House Defense Subcommittee.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1196435,00.html#ixzz0lNKndb3L

This is not the Haditha post but since some people are spouting out that Murtha is some piece of bacteria or fecal matter it seems as if a reading of what actually was revealed is appropriate.

It was as I recall it that Murtha was briefed and I also recall that he had an unofficial source that gave him information. It appears to me as it did when this story broke Murtha over-reacted and made a terrible mistake in that he made a rush to judgment. My opinion is that Murtha reacted in a way that he believed that the Marines behaved badly. Subsequent events proved that Congresman Murtha behaved badly in that he made a premature conclusion regarding the actions of those Marines. I feel that Murtha acted out of a sense of misplaced ‘shame’ in that he must have actually believed that the Marines acted badly at Haditha. I also feel that on the other hand some people are making rather harsh conclusions about him Murtha. It is incomprehensible to be to believe that Murtha a Marine would say or do anything to hurt The Corps. I can understand the emotions involved in the hateful spewing and spitting at Murtha but I also feel that is also an over-reaction , a sad mistake, and rush to judgment based upon emotions or possibly some other reason such as partisanship rather than facts and events.
 
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To a certain degree I can understand Fonda siding with the Vietcong, after all she was a pinko commie hippy piece of shit scumbag so she was siding with her fellow communist.Just like many hippy scum did in the 60s by fleeing to Canada and organizing so called anti-war rallies to destroy the war effort on the US side. That said she is still a piece of **** traitor who betrayed this country and should hanged.I will never buy her movies because I do not want none of my dollars going to her, nor will I even illegally download her movies because I do not want to contribute to what ever ratings or popularity or satisfaction that someone is still watching her movies. The only reason she got away with betraying this country was because she was a famous celebrity and when she ever dies she better keep her grave site a secret.


Murtha on the other hand was a marine and basically back stabbed the military right in the back by falsely accusing some military service members to toss the salad of anti-war scum for votes, a Judas basically. Yes what Fonda did was ****ed up as treasonous and much more worse than what Murtha did. If you notice I did say "The only thing that would make that more insulting to the military as naming a Army base after Jane Fonda." I did noy say "just as insulting".

Just out of curiousity , what did Vietnam ever do to you?
 
Which one is the former Marine who volunteered to go to Vietnam?

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