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Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

Navy, I am me. I am not "liberals". If you want to debate me, feel free. Just remember, I am not your "left wing friend", I am not any of your labels, and I don't fall for the whole try and change the topic when you got caught crap you love to play.

I don't give a **** about any whistlestoppers site, it has nothing to do with this discussion. Want to try and be on topic? I don't care where you think I might fit in or belong, it has nothing to do with this discussion. Want to try and stay on topic?
ROTFLMAO Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
Let me ask you a question......If gay marriage is so popular why do over 30 states have constitutional amendments against it and why did over 80 senators and Clinton sign a federal DOMA defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman?

I'm not saying that it is "popular". Popularity has very little to do with what is right and just.
There are a number of states that have Constitutional Amendments because they bought into the right-wing hysteria. Fortunately attitudes are changing....and not only changing...but changing rapidly.

Why did 80 Senators sign? Are you seriously going to base what is right and wrong off what Senators vote for? I guess you will when its convenient for you and you will disregard when it isn't.....that's par for the course.
 
You need to spend a little time with the Bible. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Because Jesus loves unconditionally does not mean action or lifestyle is unconditionally accepted.

I doubt very serious if any of our abortion and gay marriage lovers have ever read the good book............
 
You need to spend a little time with the Bible. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Because Jesus loves unconditionally does not mean action or lifestyle is unconditionally accepted.

Oh please. Just because I don't buy into your perverted version of Christianity?

I have spent a lot of time with the Bible and I think I understand the teachings of Jesus Christ, probably far better than you (based upon your misinterpretations of his teachings).
 
I doubt very serious if any of our abortion and gay marriage lovers have ever read the good book............

And many of us doubt whether you have actualy read a book....see how eas that generallization is?
 
I doubt very serious if any of our abortion and gay marriage lovers have ever read the good book............

I know from experience that many who say they have read it are liars. Most christians only know what comes out of the mouths of their preachers....
They don't call the bible the "unread best seller" for nothing...
 
I'm not saying that it is "popular". Popularity has very little to do with what is right and just.
There are a number of states that have Constitutional Amendments because they bought into the right-wing hysteria. Fortunately attitudes are changing....and not only changing...but changing rapidly.

Why did 80 Senators sign? Are you seriously going to base what is right and wrong off what Senators vote for? I guess you will when its convenient for you and you will disregard when it isn't.....that's par for the course.

Nah, they are those bible clutching gun touting American you boy Barry was talking about when he thought no one was listening............
 
...and with that, I think we've reached an impasse.

LOL, good gosh. LOL

Yeah....use the impasse and go read the bible....then come back to me and show me where Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality. I'll be waiting.
 
Nah, they are those bible clutching gun touting American you boy Barry was talking about when he thought no one was listening............

What are you talking about. This response has absolutely zero to do with the post you are responding to. Did you mean to reply to something else? :doh
 
Oh please. Just because I don't buy into your perverted version of Christianity?

I have spent a lot of time with the Bible and I think I understand the teachings of Jesus Christ, probably far better than you (based upon your misinterpretations of his teachings).

So a million churches completely missed the message, but disneydude managed to descramble the hidden clues? LOL

Didn't know I was trading messages with St. Disneydude.
 
I know from experience that many who say they have read it are liars. Most christians only know what comes out of the mouths of their preachers....
They don't call the bible the "unread best seller" for nothing...

A good man once said my left wing friend......."Let he without sin cast the first stone".
 
So a million churches completely missed the message, but disneydude managed to descramble the hidden clues? LOL

Didn't know I was trading messages with St. Disneydude.

Many churches do not preach hatred.....try again!!!!!
 
Nah, they are those bible clutching gun touting American you boy Barry was talking about when he thought no one was listening............

If they opened their bibles and read them, they wouldn't be toting guns....
 
What are you talking about. This response has absolutely zero to do with the post you are responding to. Did you mean to reply to something else? :doh

I am talking about the kind of people you are putting down.........
 
If they opened their bibles and read them, they wouldn't be toting guns....

Don't get me going on the second amendment my left wing friend...........You don't even want to go there...........
 
Don't get me going on the second amendment my left wing friend...........You don't even want to go there...........

What does the Second Amendment have to do with the Bible? Please Navy.....we do want to get you going there. Begin with the Biblical verse that talks about the Second Amendment.

"Blessed are the gun touters and bible clutchers".....yeah.....I don't think its in there.
 
Many churches do not preach hatred.....try again!!!!!

Not approving of gay marriage is not "preaching hatred". It doesn't have to do with hating anyone. It's about protecting the sanctity of what marriage actually is, and not re-writing Webster's Dictionary and centuries of history, religious and otherwise.
 
I'm so happy this didn't get on the ballot. They just barely got a majority in California who support gay marriage. Another two years to sure up the numbers will ensure that there won't be another Prop 8.
 
Not approving of gay marriage is not "preaching hatred". It doesn't have to do with hating anyone. It's about protecting the sanctity of what marriage actually is, and not re-writing Webster's Dictionary and centuries of history, religious and otherwise.

LOL....so Webster's Dictionary is now the sanctimonious source of all knowledge?

You need to not only study the Bible...you need to study your history as well. :doh
 
We live in a federal republic, created partially to protect the rights of the minorities from the views of the majority. As you saw from that graph that was posted, the majority of people didn't approve of interacial marriage until fairly recently. Does that mean it shouldn't have been allowed until the 90s?

we live in a constitutional republic, to be sure. but having the state grant your preferred relationship (be it man with a woman, man with a man, man with two women, and so forth) the status of "marriage" is not a right.
 
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