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Gay Marriage Fails to get on California Ballot

Navy Pride said:
Actually if you want to get technical is the way we do business in this country us the "Will of the people" not activist judges from the bench...If you don't like our system of law maybe you should move to China and try theirs......
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The so called " Will of the People" gets knocked down all the time like in the case of the anti miscegenation laws.
 
Navy Pride said:
I am disappointed in you Winston...Is that your best shot? Oh well I should be great full, at least you did not call me a bigot or a homophobe yet...
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Well if it walks like a duck....
 
winston53660 said:
Study: Gay Marriage Good For Economy

(AP) Same-sex weddings could create hundreds of new jobs and pump hundreds of millions of dollars into California's economy, according to a new study released Monday.

Gay couples are projected to spend $684 million on flowers, cakes, hotels, photographers and other wedding services over the next three years - so long as voters don't put a halt to the same-sex marriage spree, according to a study by the Williams Institute at University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.

Study: Gay Marriage Good For Economy - CBS News
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So your position is that it should be permitted because of the money that will be spent?.....:confused:
I don't think that justifies it one iota......;)
 
Navy Pride said:
Actually if you want to get technical is the way we do business in this country us the "Will of the people" not activist judges from the bench...If you don't like our system of law maybe you should move to China and try theirs......
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Don't bother giving me that "activist judge" line, college boy. You know full well that people only use it when they see a court decision go the wrong way.

This ain't a democracy. It never has been, never will be. Plenty of the most important changes made in the history of our nation have been against "the will of the people."
 
What about the Contracts Clause of the U.S. Constitution?

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

Does legal marriage require a legal contract?
 
winston53660 said:
The so called " Will of the People" gets knocked down all the time like in the case of the anti miscegenation laws.
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If a law is wrong like Roe V Wade it will be overturned God willing..........The DOMA has been on the books for 15 years...Why haven't you "Feel Good" libs over turned it?:confused:
 
Navy Pride said:
I am disappointed in you Winston...Is that your best shot? Oh well I should be great full, at least you did not call me a bigot or a homophobe yet...
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I don't know if you're a bigot or not...but you are absolutely one of the biggest homophobes on this site. (Which makes your name "Navy Pride" somewhat ironic.)

Anyway... That is my opinion. I base that opinion on the tone of your posts in every gay rights thread--you fear homosexuals based on an ignorance about who and what they are.
 
Alex said:
What about the Contracts Clause of the U.S. Constitution?

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

Does legal marriage require a legal contract?
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Making simple, straightforward arguments well-rooted in Constitutional principles won't score you any points with the bigots.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
As you well know, someone has to petition the Court to hear a case before they can render a decision, and plenty of times they refuse to hear a case for a variety of reasons.
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Yeah in the case because it is solid law.............
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Making simple, straightforward arguments well-rooted in Constitutional principles won't score you any points with the bigots.
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Hot damn, didn't take long for the name calling to start.:rofl and you lefties call us the intolerant ones because we have a difference of opinion....what a ****ing joke..........

You want to debate fine......you wnat to call names.........bye.........
 
The answer to please everyone here is obvious ...

Strip all marriage benefits from the tax codes. Disentangle the sacrament of marriage from civil matters altogether. :2razz:
 
Navy Pride said:
Hot damn, didn't take long for the name calling to start.:rofl and you lefties call us the intolerant ones because we have a difference of opinion....what a ****ing joke..........

You want to debate fine......you wnat to call names.........bye.........
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First off, I'm not a leftie.

Second off, who did I insult, mmm?
 
Navy Pride said:
If a law is wrong like Roe V Wade it will be overturned God willing..........The DOMA has been on the books for 15 years...Why haven't you "Feel Good" libs over turned it?:confused:
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I don't know how long it will to repeal DOMA. But think about it at least people are talking about it. And when DOMA was signed not even one State had State recognized gay marriage. Now a few do.
 
hazlnut said:
I don't know if you're a bigot or not...but you are absolutely one of the biggest homophobes on this site. (Which makes your name "Navy Pride" somewhat ironic.)

Anyway... That is my opinion. I base that opinion on the tone of your posts in every gay rights thread--you fear homosexuals based on an ignorance about who and what they are.
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You guys are all the same...........I can just cut and paste this one.........That leaves my friend Winston to debate with.......

Hot damn, didn't take long for the name calling to start. and you lefties call us the intolerant ones because we have a difference of opinion....what a ****ing joke..........

You want to debate fine......you wnat to call names.........bye..
 
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Navy Pride said:
You guys are all the same...........I can just cut and paste this one.........That leaves my friend Winston to debate with.......

Hot damn, didn't take long for the name calling to start. and you lefties call us the intolerant ones because we have a difference of opinion....what a ****ing joke..........
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I know it's hard work to stay in the character of being a right-wing curmudgeon. Responding to any reasoned argument is all but impossible for you to do without stepping out character.

I forgive you for ignoring the points you can't address in favor of the cheap shots that fit your on-line persona.
 
winston53660 said:
I don't know how long it will to repeal DOMA. But think about it at least people are talking about it. And when DOMA was signed not even one State had State recognized gay marriage. Now a few do.
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That is not the point....The point is the DOMA is good law.........You better worry about Roe V Wade though........Even some Liberal scholars say it is bad law...........

I would have thought that the first thing you on the left went after is the DOma......Why has that not happened..........
 
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Navy Pride said:
You guys are all the same...........I can just cut and paste this one.........That leaves my friend Winston to debate with........
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You hurt my feelings:(

I'm not one of your "left wing" friends:(

I'm gonna cry now:(

BTW I do think you are a homophobe BIG TIME!
 
GhostlyJoe said:
The answer to please everyone here is obvious ...

Strip all marriage benefits from the tax codes. Disentangle the sacrament of marriage from civil matters altogether. :2razz:
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I personally think its good for the government ro support marriage between a man and a woman and give incentives to do so because of the children involved.......
 
Navy Pride said:
Marriage is not a right.....Its a privilege.........Why do you think you have to get a license?
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Wrong. People v. Loving recognized marriage as a right.

Regardless...the Supreme Court has long held that privileges cannot be denied in a discriminatory manner either....so you lose on either grounds.
 
winston53660 said:
You hurt my feelings:(

I'm not one of your "left wing" friends:(

I'm gonna cry now:(

BTW I do think you are a homophobe BIG TIME!
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Well you can get a room with all your circle jerk buddies and all agree on the issue........byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:2wave:
 
Navy Pride said:
The point is the DOMA is good law.........
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So says you.
Not everybody else

You better worry about Roe V Wade though........Even some Liberal scholars say it is bad law...........
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You are comparing apples to oranges here and I think this is the wrong thread for it.
 
Hoplite said:
Should blacks have accepted the rulings of votes and courts pre-Civil Rights era? I mean, the will of the people was against them....
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LOL, black people HATE it when you compare them to gay people.

Gay is not a race, sorry. It's ludicrous to make gay people a "minority" group. Where you prefer to stick it does not matter to me, but it also doesn't qualify you as a minority either. It's insulting to actual minorities.
 
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