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Scott Brown snubs Sarah Palin, bags Tea Party rally

1) I disagree. It was Brown's pragmatism and policies that got him elected. Without that, he never would have gotten the independents and moderates.

I thought it was because Coakley ran one of the wort campaigns in modern history. I mean she made Gary Hart in 84 look like a clerver campaigner.

2)

Could have fooled me. I saw a Tea Party rally in Houston earlier in the year, and I saw it in person at Memorial Park. There were at least 200 people there, and there could have been more. I did not see a single sign at that rally that didn't question Obama's citizenship, or his being a Communist or a Nazi, or executing the elderly with death panels, or being anti-American, or hating the troops. I even saw one sign that had a map of Africa, and the caption read "Obama Go Home". There were more signs that promoted Texas seceding from the Union, and recreating the Republic of Texas. You want to tell me what is moderate, or independent, about any of this? There was even a small group of about half a dozen people wearing KKK sheets, but they were told to leave. I will give the Tea Partiers credit for that. But, after what I saw, I just don't see how some people can call this mainstream at all. From what I saw, I can repeat with confidence that the Tea Partiers are the same as Code Pink, only they are on the opposite side of the spectrum. At least that is how they looked in Houston. I can't speak for places like NYC, Boston, Atlanta, or other major cities, though. Someone else will have to do that. But, here in Houston, they are a very radical and extremist bunch.

Texas though. :2razz:
 
I thought it was because Coakley ran one of the wort campaigns in modern history. I mean she made Gary Hart in 84 look like a clerver campaigner.

1) I disagree. It was Brown's pragmatism and policies that got him elected. Without that, he never would have gotten the independents and moderates.

I think it was both and then some.

1) I think he hit a raw nerve when he declared he would vote against the HC bill as it's written now.

2) His campaign gained some serious momentum when he said the seat for which he was running wasn't Ted Kennedy's seat, it was the peoples' seat. I never got Massachusett's love affair with old Ted, and I suspect most of them didn't either. He was a star who's family suffered mightily while serving the US. I don't think Mass is as much liberal is it is (was) star struck.

3) Scott Brown is freaking likeable.
 
I thought it was because Coakley ran one of the wort campaigns in modern history. I mean she made Gary Hart in 84 look like a clerver campaigner.



Texas though. :2razz:

Indeed. She was very lazy and gave Brown a terrific headline:

Riled Scott Brown: Martha Coakley ‘on vacation’

“Martha is on vacation,” the Wrentham state senator said. “She thinks she already won this race.”​


Very arrogant of her. She thought she could just waltz into the seat without campaigning.
 
1) I disagree. It was Brown's pragmatism and policies that got him elected. Without that, he never would have gotten the independents and moderates.

Which somehow disproves that he needed, and got, the Republican vote in good turn out...how?

If Brown didn't win over his base it wouldn't have mattered that he got independents and moderates, he still likely would've lost. It was his ability to attract not just Independents and moderates but also the base of the Republican Party in mass that allowed him to put together a coalition to win. Take any of those segments out and he loses. So trying to act like the Independents were more important than the Republicans for him to win is ridiculous as his success hinged on both of those groupings.

2) Could have fooled me

Well of course it could've fooled you. You've done nothing but bash, slander, and attack the Tea Parties on this forum since the moment Ron Paul was no longer at the front of them. You've repeatedly made asanine and idiotic statements throughout this forum, often times refusing to actually back them up once they were called upon, wholey and completely negative to the Tea Parties. You've made such outlandish claims, half the time it seems with no purpose in the past but to pump up the hits to your blog site, that frankly your claims of what you "saw" and the amount of the benefit of the doubt I give you for the honesty of it has dwindled to an all time low. You've bought into the propoganda and the popular presentation of the Tea Parties 100% and its been shown time and time again it doesn't matter to you what anyone else says. You claim to have that horrible experience, yet multiple members have came out saying they've never seen anything even close to resembling that at their parts...but obviously they're lying political hacks that dare to embrace a movement that is focused primarily, first and foremost, around fiscal cosnervatism.

But then, if the Republicans actually start latching onto their old traditional views or libertarian leanings what the hell will Dana have to bitch, whine, complain, and scream about the establishment he so disdains and so disenfranchises him.

...well, I guess you'll still those horrible evil gay people you gleefully pontificate on so often.

I just find it funny, when the Tea Parties were first starting up and were under the Ron Paul wing of things and it stll contained the fringe nutballs but the ones going on about the evil world conspiracy of the CFR or how Bush perpetrated 9/11 or secret government interment camps we'll be sent to by use of the Patriot Act I never remembered you coming out, calling them names, talking about the kooks, comparing them to code Pink. Guess you only dislike certain types of fringe idiotic conspiracy theorists.
 
Coakley ran an attrocious campaign, which I think helped him greatly in getting independents. Seriously, you can't think a World Series Winning Red Sox pitcher is a Yankee and win that state ;)
 
maybe not

but you can sure accidentally kill a girl drunk driving and leave her for dead while you go off to establish some bogus alibi and not only get elected, but re-elected and re-elected until you achieve LION status

in that state
 
Which somehow disproves that he needed, and got, the Republican vote in good turn out...how?

If Brown didn't win over his base it wouldn't have mattered that he got independents and moderates, he still likely would've lost. It was his ability to attract not just Independents and moderates but also the base of the Republican Party in mass that allowed him to put together a coalition to win. Take any of those segments out and he loses. So trying to act like the Independents were more important than the Republicans for him to win is ridiculous as his success hinged on both of those groupings.



Well of course it could've fooled you. You've done nothing but bash, slander, and attack the Tea Parties on this forum since the moment Ron Paul was no longer at the front of them. You've repeatedly made asanine and idiotic statements throughout this forum, often times refusing to actually back them up once they were called upon, wholey and completely negative to the Tea Parties. You've made such outlandish claims, half the time it seems with no purpose in the past but to pump up the hits to your blog site, that frankly your claims of what you "saw" and the amount of the benefit of the doubt I give you for the honesty of it has dwindled to an all time low. You've bought into the propoganda and the popular presentation of the Tea Parties 100% and its been shown time and time again it doesn't matter to you what anyone else says. You claim to have that horrible experience, yet multiple members have came out saying they've never seen anything even close to resembling that at their parts...but obviously they're lying political hacks that dare to embrace a movement that is focused primarily, first and foremost, around fiscal cosnervatism.

But then, if the Republicans actually start latching onto their old traditional views or libertarian leanings what the hell will Dana have to bitch, whine, complain, and scream about the establishment he so disdains and so disenfranchises him.

...well, I guess you'll still those horrible evil gay people you gleefully pontificate on so often.

I just find it funny, when the Tea Parties were first starting up and were under the Ron Paul wing of things and it stll contained the fringe nutballs but the ones going on about the evil world conspiracy of the CFR or how Bush perpetrated 9/11 or secret government interment camps we'll be sent to by use of the Patriot Act I never remembered you coming out, calling them names, talking about the kooks, comparing them to code Pink. Guess you only dislike certain types of fringe idiotic conspiracy theorists.

I can only tell you what I saw with my own eyes this year. This is not the same Tea Party that existed in 2008. And, hell yes. I am going to continue to call it, not only as I see it, but how they themselves are portraying themselves. They are no different than the loonies at the other end of the spectrum.
 
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maybe not

but you can sure accidentally kill a girl drunk driving and leave her for dead while you go off to establish some bogus alibi and not only get elected, but re-elected and re-elected until you achieve LION status

in that state

kind of like being an avowed racist and being repeatedly re-elected to the senate in north carolina
 
I can only tell you what I saw with my own eyes this year. This is not the same Tea Party that existed in 2008.

You're right. The idiotic fringe of it traded CFR, 9/11 truthers, and Fascist George Bush the Nazi alarmists for secret muslim, birthers, and socialist Barack Obama the nazi alarmists.

And both then and now had people related to the likes of the KKK supporting it.

Of course, you had no problems with it then. Back when the main contingent of the base was supporting it, back when Ron Paul was the main focus of it, you never said a bad word about it. That would've meant having to turn in your Ron Paul loyalist card. But now suddenly you must speak out at every mention of those horrible evil conspiracy theorist racist bigots.

So CFR, Fascist, 9/11 inside job, Nazi, KKK is okay by Dana but Muslim, Socialist, birther, Nazi, KKK is a horrible thing that must be talked about and insulted every moment possible.

Gotcha.
 
They are no different than the loonies at the other end of the spectrum.

Yes, my fault Dana, I forgot you only exaggerate and continually rail against the loonies that are on both ends of the spectrums. The loonies on your end of it you completely ignore, dismiss, and gloss over. Silly me.

Didn't you go on and on sometime ago in defense of why you attack republicans so much is because that's your side and you feel you have to hold your side to a higher standard?

Funny, because that's NOT what you do. Its a bull**** excuse coming from you. You almost never went around constantly harping on and railing about the fringe idiots of the Ron Paul campaign and the earlier tea partys and they were FAR more your side than the Republicans currently are.
 
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kind of like being an avowed racist and being repeatedly re-elected to the senate in north carolina

bobby kkk byrd's from west virginia, not carolina
 
Is your grandfather protesting his Medicare?

My grandfather isn't on Medicare; he has private health insurance and is a retired Navy veteran (he is entitled to VA care as well). He is just protesting the expansion of government, as is my friend's mother, and several other decent folks I know. None of them are racists or extremists. They are just regular people who are voicing their concern. People like Dana think they're extremists, though...:roll:
 
Well of course.

Didn't you know that they hand out sheets at every tea party rally while giving artistic lessons on how to depict Obama as Hitler while cheerleaders in outfits based off the Stars and Bars, because you know southerners are racist and tea partiers are racists, lead people in chanting cheers that the entire group participate in about how Obama is a socialist fascist Hilteresque antichrist that was born in Kenyan and is a radically muslim whose primary influence was a twisted racist black christian.

I mean...people who continually do nothing but bash Tea Parties at every step of the way say that's the case so that must be true.

Why do your grandparents hate america?
 
I can only tell you what I saw with my own eyes this year. This is not the same Tea Party that existed in 2008. And, hell yes. I am going to continue to call it, not only as I see it, but how they themselves are portraying themselves. They are no different than the loonies at the other end of the spectrum.

Oh boy! You saw some jerks in Texas acting a fool, so that must mean every single "tea party" rally is full of racists and extremists. You sound oh-so-credible, too...very believable and objective source you are...:roll:
 
did you know that bobby byrd was the final speaker in richard russell's filibuster of the civil rights act of '64 that was broken by everett dirksen's freedom-loving leadership?

tsk tsk

racism is rude

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

more republicans proportionally voted for this landmark move on the road to racial equality than assented those in mike mansfield's kkk-crammed caucus

it is what it is

ted kennedy was a drunk driver who killed a girl, left her for dead and tried to establish an alibi

party on, progressives

be PROUD!
 
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You're right. The idiotic fringe of it traded CFR, 9/11 truthers, and Fascist George Bush the Nazi alarmists for secret muslim, birthers, and socialist Barack Obama the nazi alarmists.

And both then and now had people related to the likes of the KKK supporting it.

Of course, you had no problems with it then. Back when the main contingent of the base was supporting it, back when Ron Paul was the main focus of it, you never said a bad word about it. That would've meant having to turn in your Ron Paul loyalist card. But now suddenly you must speak out at every mention of those horrible evil conspiracy theorist racist bigots.

So CFR, Fascist, 9/11 inside job, Nazi, KKK is okay by Dana but Muslim, Socialist, birther, Nazi, KKK is a horrible thing that must be talked about and insulted every moment possible.

Gotcha.

Here is where you are being dishonest. When Bush was in office, I trashed those who called Bush Nazi, and said that 9/11 was an inside job. You make it appear as if I supported that. This is just downright dishonest of you.
 
Well of course.

Didn't you know that they hand out sheets at every tea party rally while giving artistic lessons on how to depict Obama as Hitler while cheerleaders in outfits based off the Stars and Bars, because you know southerners are racist and tea partiers are racists, lead people in chanting cheers that the entire group participate in about how Obama is a socialist fascist Hilteresque antichrist that was born in Kenyan and is a radically muslim whose primary influence was a twisted racist black christian.

I mean...people who continually do nothing but bash Tea Parties at every step of the way say that's the case so that must be true.

Why do your grandparents hate america?

That's a good question. Allow me to clarify...

You see, my grand-pappy is just a right-wing extremist nutbag. His whole working life, he's dedicated himself to supporting the electric-workers union, ostensibly, a blue-collar, working class organization, but, in actuality, a front for radical right-wing zealots!!!

The indoctrination process started soon after he retired from the Navy and moved into a working class neighborhood with his wife and two children. He learned to despise all left-wing ideology and activities whilst a member of the union; he was a clandestine supporter of the Pinochet regime, if I'm not mistaken; I think he might have had a hand in the Iran-Contra affair, as well...:roll:
 
Here is where you are being dishonest. When Bush was in office, I trashed those who called Bush Nazi, and said that 9/11 was an inside job. You make it appear as if I supported that. This is just downright dishonest of you.

Congratulations! You want a medal or something!?
 
Here is where you are being dishonest. When Bush was in office, I trashed those who called Bush Nazi, and said that 9/11 was an inside job. You make it appear as if I supported that. This is just downright dishonest of you.

You gave a token amount of time to condemning those things, not near the incessant, constant, continually, perpetual insults and attacks you make against the Tea Parties. And even when you did do it it was rarely in any way referencing the Ron Paul campaign or their grass roots supporters that were doing it. All of which is laughable when you claim that the reason you so incessantly attack Republicans is because of "policing your own".

There are fringe idiots in any movement. There are people that will glom onto any movement. The KKK LOVED Ron Paul, yet I hardly ever see you continually bring up the KKK when you talked about Paul supporters...but you LOVE to bring it up with the Tea Partiers. Your experience with the tea party, lets even assume its true, seems to be GRAVELY at odd with the experiences with the vast majority of posters here that have participated in them...and yet rather than think yours is the anamoly you somehow thing the whole and large of them all are either liars or THEY are the anamoly.
 
You gave a token amount of time to condemning those things, not near the incessant, constant, continually, perpetual insults and attacks you make against the Tea Parties. And even when you did do it it was rarely in any way referencing the Ron Paul campaign or their grass roots supporters that were doing it. All of which is laughable when you claim that the reason you so incessantly attack Republicans is because of "policing your own".

There are fringe idiots in any movement. There are people that will glom onto any movement. The KKK LOVED Ron Paul, yet I hardly ever see you continually bring up the KKK when you talked about Paul supporters...but you LOVE to bring it up with the Tea Partiers. Your experience with the tea party, lets even assume its true, seems to be GRAVELY at odd with the experiences with the vast majority of posters here that have participated in them...and yet rather than think yours is the anamoly you somehow thing the whole and large of them all are either liars or THEY are the anamoly.

1) Yes, the KKK did love Ron Paul, and Ron Paul condemned them. And, as I said before, the Tea Partiers condemned the KKK'ers when they showed up too. So what? That is just a red herring you are attempting to throw out there.

2)
Your experience with the tea party, lets even assume its true.....

You just called me a liar. I will let this one pass.

3) Here is the real meat of my argument. Ron Paul, in his campaign, was upbeat at all times, not trashing his opponents with lies and calling them Nazis, but telling Americans that they were capable of transforming this nation into something better. In fact, one of his slogans was "Hope for America", which the Obama campaign seemed to have conveniently stolen.

But don't take my word for it. Ask Vauge. He and I met up at a Ron Paul rally, and he will tell you the exact same thing I just told you about him.

So what is the difference between the Paul campaign and today's Tea Partiers? While the Tea Partiers spend their time talking trash, those who worked on Paul's campaign worked on solutions, built solid platforms, and stayed on message. Now you might disagree with some of what Ron Paul wanted to do, and may consider some of it "out there", but at least he was sending a positive message, and presenting a solution, rather than just talking trash.
 
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1) Yes, the KKK did love Ron Paul, and Ron Paul condemned them. And, as I said before, the Tea Partiers condemned the KKK'ers when they showed up too. So what? That is just a red herring you are attempting to throw out there.

So you make it a point, even though they condemned it, to shove that mention into your post. Yet I can't remember a single time you, prompted by no one else, mentioned the KKK in any relation to Ron Paul. Because you know, even when condemning it, associating them with him would be bad. But you love to do it with the Tea Parties because even if they condemn it, them simply being there helps you paint the image you're going for.

2)

You just called me a liar. I will let this one pass.

Here, if my past two posts on this weren't clear, let me be clear. No dana. After reading posts of yours for the past few months, responding to some of them and getting no response, and seemingly just watching you at times make incredibly ignorant and exaggerated statements for seemingly no purpose that I can fathom other than driving hits to your blogs mixed with your repeated, continual, unending attacks on the Tea Party movement here my belief in the credibility of your assertion...be it an out and out lie to fit your purpose or a reality that is deeply tinted by the rose colored glasses of what you've mentally put in your mind is what Tea Partiers are...has reached an all time low.

3) Here is the real meat of my argument. Ron Paul, in his campaign, was upbeat at all times, not trashing his opponents with lies and calling them Nazis, but telling Americans that they were capable of transforming this nation into something better. In fact, one of his slogans was "Hope for America", which the Obama campaign seemed to have conveniently stolen.

You have got to be kidding me.

You're telling me that Ron Paul's campaign never attacked people, trashed opponents? Oh, no "with lies", which even that is a questionable thing half the time based on opinion not fact and someone from the other side...as you stand on the other side of the Tea Partiers...would disagree greatly with the suggestion. Ron Paul and his campaign made it a pillar of their campaign to play the martyr card and the attack the other guys card and how horrible and mean everyone was for not listening to the glorious and godly Ron Paul. Yeah, they had their "sociaist" card too, it was Neo-Con and routinely thrown around more than was appropriate.

But don't take my word for it. Ask Vauge. He and I met up at a Ron Paul rally, and he will tell you the exact same thing I just told you about him.

That's fine. I've been to Ron Paul gatherings too. Primarily everyone there were douche bags, a number of them ludicrous fringers that thought the CFR was some global conspiracy running the world and that there was truth in the government having a hand in 9/11, and don't even go into the evils that is Israel. However my one experience, which was different than that a number of other people on this forum experienced when they interacted with Ron Paul people, didn't lead me to start going around stating that the people I saw were somehow unquestionably the norm.

Something that's the OPPOSITE of what you're doing.

So what is the difference between the Paul campaign and today's Tea Partiers?

What conspiracies the fringers of it believed....and rather you spend all you time bashing them or not.

While the Tea Partiers spend their time talking trash, those who worked on Paul's campaign worked on solutions, built solid platforms, and stayed on message.

Oh what hogwash. What, like "Cut the department of Education" is not a solid plan, its a bull**** rhetoric slogan that over simplifies an extremely diverse issues so fools can have a sound bite to use while talking down to the "Sheeple". Ron Paul's campaign was primarily focused around ideas and theories, the same type of thing the Tea Party is focused around.

I'll give you that the Paul campaign stayed on message more. In part because they were much smaller than the tea parties currently are and thus its easier to manage the message. However going off message is not somehow a reason to continually slander a group.

Now you might disagree with some of what Ron Paul wanted to do, and may consider some of it "out there", but at least he was sending a positive message, and presenting a solution, rather than just talking trash.

Nice catch phrase, though I think "talking trash" applies far more to your comments continually about the Tea Parties. Yes, Ron Paul was pushing a message of limited government, a return to the constitution, balanced budgets, reduction and fixing of our tax system, reduction of federal spending...

Hold on, that's sounding familiar, where have I seen something Similar....

DEMAND A BALANCE BUDGET Begin the Constitutional amendment process to
require a balanced budget with a two-thirds majority needed for any tax hike. 

STOP THE TAX HIKES Permanently repeal all tax hikes, including those to the income, capital gains, and death taxes, currently scheduled to begin in 2011. 

PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION Require each bill to identify the specific provision of the Constitution that gives Congress the power to do what the bill does.

ENACT FUNDAMENTAL TAX REFORM Adopt a simple and fair single-rate tax system by scrapping the internal revenue code and replacing it with one that is no longer than 4,543 words—the length of the original Constitution. 

END RUNAWAY GOVERNMENT SPENDING Impose a statutory cap limiting the annual growth in total federal spending to the sum of inflation rate plus the percentage of population growth.

LET US SAVE Allow all Americans to opt out of Social Security and Medicare and instead put those same payroll taxes in a personal account they own, control, and can leave to whomever they choose. 

GIVE PARENTS MORE CHOICES IN THE EDUCATION OF THEIR CHILDREN Improve American education by reforming the broken federal role through eliminating ineffective and wasteful programs, giving parents more choices from pre-school to high school, and improving the affordability of higher education. 

PROTECT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS Block state and local governments that receive federal grants from exercising eminent domain over private property for the primary purpose of economic development or enhancement of tax revenues.

STOP THE PORK Place a moratorium on all earmarks until the process is fully transparent, including requiring a 2/3 majority to pass any earmark. 

AUDIT THE FED Begin an audit of the Federal Reserve System.

Those bastard racist evil Tea Partiers, shoving down that entirely unconservative, social focused, antithema to Ron Paul platform....they ****ing suck.
 
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First he seemed like the Palin-like crazies, but I'm starting to like him. If he distances himself from the tea-party protesters and Palin, he has a good chance of making a name for himself.
 
First he seemed like the Palin-like crazies, but I'm starting to like him. If he distances himself from the tea-party protesters and Palin, he has a good chance of making a name for himself.

I don't think he should want to distance himself from the Tea Party message though. I will go tomorrow just to see how much different it will be from the POS two I was at when I went back home.

I do think it is smart to distance himself from Palin it will be a good thing. She won't help his message.
 
First he seemed like the Palin-like crazies, but I'm starting to like him. If he distances himself from the tea-party protesters and Palin, he has a good chance of making a name for himself.


I still don't know a lot about him but I'm encouraged from the little I've heard. I'd just like to see politics move away from the ugliness that's permeated it for so long. I got whipped up into it prior to the 2008 election and I think it burnt me out. Now I find that I'm at a place where I've tuned out of politics a lot because of it.

I'm not interested in the party of no anymore than I am in hearing about real America.

I want to hear ideas and solutions from these ducks.


:2wave:
 
First he seemed like the Palin-like crazies, but I'm starting to like him. If he distances himself from the tea-party protesters and Palin, he has a good chance of making a name for himself.

Ron Paul actually believes in the principles that the T-partiers claim they believe in and mouth off about. Paul also materially believes in the principles that Palin just mouths as bumper sticker material.

It is that Ron Paul has substance and the TP's and Palin show the show.
 
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