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Rep. Bart Stupak to retire, putting seat in play

digsbe said:
I'm sure Stupak will leave congress compensated very well :2razz: Lets just hope his seat isn't won by another Democrat. These guys commit political suicide in order to smack the American people democratically in the name of ideology and personal deals/bribes. Such martyrs.
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I've been trying to find the link for a story but can't find it.

The gist of it was, Republicans will investigate those that took bribes, and will stop any cushy job that they try for........ I think they will all end up in jail over this, but that might just be wishful thinking on my part. After all, they’re all a bunch of crooks.
 
Crunch said:
Notice the dates on the other bills that the Republicans tried to get passed in the Dem controlled Congress.
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Nice side steppin but... I clearly asked you to provide bills the Repukes wrote up while they were in control of Congress. That would be "before" 2009. Sure, they put bills out there in 2009... solely to point to as proof that they had something in opposition to the health care bill. If they cared so much, and they weren't totally insane, they would have worked with the party in control to make the best bill they could. THAT was the way to get their ideas into the bill.

So, where are those health care bills the Repubs wrote up from 2000 thru 2006?

Guess you have been wrong all along........ nice of you to admit it.
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Not yet. You have some more work to do before that happens.
 
Crunch said:
Where are the bills the Dims wrote in that same time frame?
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That wasn't the question.

Move the goal posts much?
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And here I thought you didn't know what you were doing. Well, at least you got the label right. You just need to stick it on that guy looking back at you in the mirror tho. :roll:
 
Crunch said:
LOL.......... After the next election, Republicans can defund it and stop it in it's tracks. After the 2012 election they can and will rescind that POS, and hopefully legislate real health reform, not just a blank check for more government interferance in our lives. You are living in some dream world if you think any bill can’t be rescinded, or killed by lack of funds.

Has anyone besides me noticed that the public is pissed?
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I am not as optimistic as you are. I think republicans will just use this issue just to get elected. At most regardless if they get enough republicans to do what they want they will probably just give it token vote where a few republicans will not side with them and they will ignore the issue until the next election after that unless there is some other issue they can exploit for votes.
 
Stupak constituents seek federal aid over ideology

Excerpted from “Stupak constituents seek federal aid over ideology” By JOHN FLESHER (AP), 1 hour ago
[SIZE="+2"]T[/SIZE]ea party activists are gloating over Rep. Bart Stupak's decision to retire after becoming one of their top targets. But it's far from certain his constituents will elect a successor who shares their antipathy against government spending.

Michigan's northernmost district tends to favor moderates more concerned with federal money for local projects than with ideology. …
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I think conservatives may be celebrating too early.
 
I'm glad he is leaving... But for different reasons than the right-wingers. I see this as another opportunity for the voters to replace him with a younger, more liberal statesman who will stand up to the corporations.
 
Phantom said:
I'm glad he is leaving... But for different reasons than the right-wingers. I see this as another opportunity for the voters to replace him with a younger, more liberal statesman who will stand up to the corporations.
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:) or (especially given how this year is shaping up) see him replaced with a Republican.


Without Stupak on the ticket, Democrats will be hard-pressed to defend a conservative-minded and heavily blue-collar Upper Peninsula seat that favored George Bush by wide margins in 2000 and 2004 before breaking narrowly for Barack Obama in 2008.

“Bottom line is that that with an incumbent like Stupak we would have won, but without an incumbent like him we will lose and we will lose forever until the next incumbent there goes away,” said Mark Grebner, a longtime Democratic strategist in the state.

...Steve Mitchell, an independent pollster in the state, said Stupak’s retirement was “a real opportunity for Republicans,” and “a blow” for Democrats. For Democrats, the search is underway for a candidate who can hold the seat. On Friday, a handful of names buzzed around party circles, including state Sen. Mike Prusi, and state Reps. Gary McDowell, Jeff Mayes, Steve Lindberg, Mike Lahti, and Judy Nerat.

...Noticeably absent from the list of top-flight potential candidates Michigan Democratic insiders mentioned was former Charlevoix County Commissioner Connie Saltonstall, who had already announced plans to wage a primary campaign against Stupak and had received vocal support from abortion-rights groups like NARAL and NOW who were outraged by Stupak’s high-profile effort to insert language in the health care reform bill limiting federal funding for elective abortions.

Democratic officials in the state said privately Friday that Saltonstall didn’t cut a sufficiently conservative image and that her lack of political base in the vote-rich Upper Peninsula would make holding the seat difficult. Asked to assess Saltonstall’s prospects for emerging as the Democratic standard-bearer, one senior party official in the state laughed before replying, “No comment.”...
 
yes, as i was saying earlier, obama's entire agenda has stalled...

cap and trade, reg reform, bank tax, debt commission...

reaching out to iran, moving murderous mullahs to manhattan, don't ask don't tell, his shiny new start treaty...

his party will not follow him again on anything left of center

ie, they will not move without the measured imprimatur of a moderate statesman like mr mccain

just look at the trouble leadership is having over little teeny JOBS stuff

FOXNews.com - Obama's Election-Year Jobs Agenda Stalls in Congress

extension of unemployment benefits, $250 for social security recipients, cash for caulkers...

nope, no mandate permitted the admin by the majority

sorry

congrats on your health care bill, it's yours

i hope it's all you wanted

obama hits a new all time low in rcp's avg poll of polls, nets in the negative, 46.1 to 47.3%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html
 
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Phantom said:
I'm glad he is leaving... But for different reasons than the right-wingers. I see this as another opportunity for the voters to replace him with a younger, more liberal statesman who will stand up to the corporations.
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He is in a heavily so called "conservative" district and he was getting his Stupe re-elected probably based on brining home the bacon so the hollier than thou right winguns and the Demons kept putting him back in.

Does ol Stupe need to listen to some air head fellow congressslug call him a babywhacker ?!!!
 
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