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DA: sex ed could get teachers arrested

digsbe said:
These teachers should be prosecuted.
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Why should the teachers be prosecuted for something the STATE requires them to teach?
 
TheNextEra said:
Why should the teachers be prosecuted for something the STATE requires them to teach?
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Because prosecutors will go pretty far to increase the number in their win column.
 
misterman said:
The latest rightwing legal thought in action:

DA to teachers: New sex ed course could get you arrested

A district attorney in Juneau County, Wisconsin, warned teachers in a memo sent to schools that if they teach the new sexual education curriculum mandated under state law, they could be arrested for contributing to the delinquency of a child.

Because the law requires teachers to instruct children not only about contraceptives but about how to use them, Juneau County District Attorney Scott Southworth said, schools are forced to encourage students to "engage in sexual behavior, whether as a victim or an offender."

And since minors can't legally have sex in Wisconsin, teachers would essentially be endorsing the behavior and could be held liable, Southworth said in the letter.

DA to teachers: New sex ed course could get you arrested – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
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First off, as a parent, I cannot imagine what business the school system has in teaching my children about contraception options. As a responsible person that is MY job.. not the schools.

Secondly... I don't understand why teachers would be seen as condoning sexual behavior if they follow the state mandate - they are doing what is required by law (even though as mentioned above, I believe it's up to parents to educate their children in this way). For crying all night.

Why can't schools teach general biological changes that happen to all of us, and leave the real sex ed to the parents?? I have talked with both my kids at length about sex, what happens when you have sex, the emotional asepct of it, we've gone over birth control options, how a woman gets pregnant, what it means to be a parent, risks of STDs.. etc., etc., etc....

I really don't believe sex ed in this fashion is really needed and why is the state mandating that this is required now??

Christ. No wonder we are where we are.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
First off, as a parent, I cannot imagine what business the school system has in teaching my children about contraception options. As a responsible person that is MY job.. not the schools.
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While you personally may be a responsible parent, not every parent is responsible. What should we do for those children who don't have parents responsible enough to teach proper sex education to their children?

TheGirlNextDoor said:
Secondly... I don't understand why teachers would be seen as condoning sexual behavior if they follow the state mandate - they are doing what is required by law (even though as mentioned above, I believe it's up to parents to educate their children in this way). For crying all night.
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TheGirlNextDoor said:
Why can't schools teach general biological changes that happen to all of us, and leave the real sex ed to the parents?? I have talked with both my kids at length about sex, what happens when you have sex, the emotional asepct of it, we've gone over birth control options, how a woman gets pregnant, what it means to be a parent, risks of STDs.. etc., etc., etc....
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As I understand it, schools do teach the biological aspect of sex. And there's a lot to sex that parents talk about, such as what you mentioned in the emotions of sex and birth control and pregnancy.

But, like I said, there are other things that parents either don't feel comfortable about talking to their children about or things that could lead to harm if they experimented themselves without some kind of education.

That's mostly my concern - that these teenagers may experiment on themselves or others sexually and cause harm to themselves, a partner, or both. There's a lot to sexual hygiene that teenagers may not recognize or realize if they aren't educated on the subject.

TheGirlNextDoor said:
I really don't believe sex ed in this fashion is really needed and why is the state mandating that this is required now??
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To be fair, all the state is doing is teach kids how to use contraceptives. According to the article, all they're going to do is show how a condom is used, along with telling them how it's going to be used. I don't think that is that big of a deal.
 
A comprehensive sex education program has been found to be the most effective method in preventing teenage pregnancy and STD's. Absintence only has been found to be less effective than this, as has NO sex education. The latter disproves the point that it should be left to the parents, only. When it is, it is not effective, as some parents do not do an adequate job. This effects society in general, with an increase in teenage pregnancy, STD's, folks with lower incomes, and abortions. I can think of no evidence that would convince me that this is not the most effective method towards assisting young people. And the assumption that this endorses sexual behavior is ridiculous. It TEACHES sex education, it does not teach values.
 
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jallman said:
Memo to DA allowing political pandering to hinder his ability to carry out justice: if the state mandates it, then you have no ability to charge a crime until the mandate is overturned.

**** off.
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Southwirth needs to be disbarred and told to the shut the **** up.
 
This also brings up another question: what would happen if parents tried to teach their children the things the DA say would endorse sex among teens, which is illegal? The DA isn't saying that the state shouldn't teach teens those aspects, but rather anyone who tries to teach teens those aspects. So if you read closely, the district attorney is also implying that even parents teaching their children how to use a condom is illegal and could lead to prosecution.

So what do you parents think of that? This prosecutor isn't saying "Leave sex education to the parents," but rather, "Anybody who tries to give a teenager comprehensive sex education is breaking the law" and taking the decision out of the hands of parents.

So, parents, I would think twice before supporting this district attorney who says he can prosecute anyone who teaches a teenager how to use a condom, because he's including parents in that group.
 
Erod said:
Not creationism. Try to pay attention.

Until Darwin can tell us where that first strand of DNA came from, there really isn't an absolute anything, eh?
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Already did that.
 
samsmart said:
While you personally may be a responsible parent, not every parent is responsible. What should we do for those children who don't have parents responsible enough to teach proper sex education to their children?





As I understand it, schools do teach the biological aspect of sex. And there's a lot to sex that parents talk about, such as what you mentioned in the emotions of sex and birth control and pregnancy.

But, like I said, there are other things that parents either don't feel comfortable about talking to their children about or things that could lead to harm if they experimented themselves without some kind of education.

That's mostly my concern - that these teenagers may experiment on themselves or others sexually and cause harm to themselves, a partner, or both. There's a lot to sexual hygiene that teenagers may not recognize or realize if they aren't educated on the subject.



To be fair, all the state is doing is teach kids how to use contraceptives. According to the article, all they're going to do is show how a condom is used, along with telling them how it's going to be used. I don't think that is that big of a deal.
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Thing is - I don't know how it is in other public schools, but the one where I work? There are irresponsible parents that probably would NOT speak with their children about these things.. however... these SAME parents are the same ones that won't sign the permission slip that allows their student to sit in on this human sexuality class.

Do other public schools have something like this, where the parents/guardians have to sign a form allowing the school permission to allow their children to participate?

Either way, irresponsible parenting runs rampant - in my experience this will ALWAYS be the case. My point is - how much parenting of these children do we do? How much are we responsible for?

There are children that come to school dressed inappropriately. Do we clothe them?

There are children that come to school and the only meals they receive are from the free/reduced breakfast and lunch program - but are we then responsible for feeding them dinner?

I'm not trying to sound like a cold hearted bitch here.. but there are things that parents and parents alone should be responsible for, and teaching them about contraception is one of them.
 
samsmart said:
This also brings up another question: what would happen if parents tried to teach their children the things the DA say would endorse sex among teens, which is illegal?
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Excellent point! You'r thinking now.
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Thing is - I don't know how it is in other public schools, but the one where I work? There are irresponsible parents that probably would NOT speak with their children about these things.. however... these SAME parents are the same ones that won't sign the permission slip that allows their student to sit in on this human sexuality class.

Do other public schools have something like this, where the parents/guardians have to sign a form allowing the school permission to allow their children to participate?

Either way, irresponsible parenting runs rampant - in my experience this will ALWAYS be the case. My point is - how much parenting of these children do we do? How much are we responsible for?

There are children that come to school dressed inappropriately. Do we clothe them?

There are children that come to school and the only meals they receive are from the free/reduced breakfast and lunch program - but are we then responsible for feeding them dinner?

I'm not trying to sound like a cold hearted bitch here.. but there are things that parents and parents alone should be responsible for, and teaching them about contraception is one of them.
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I don't think that all parents that fail to give their kid a good, thorough sex talk are the ones that disapprove of sex ed. In fact, I think generally, most parents try to give some sort of sex talk to their kids, some are extremely thorough, others pretty much say wait til you're married and that's it, and then there are most parents who are most likely in between and/or a mix of the two.

Sometimes parents want their children to know about sex, but they just aren't comfortable with telling them. Other parents may be comfortable telling their kids what they know, but they feel that they don't really know a lot or that they don't know enough.

I will say that with the internet, it is easier to get information today about sex, contraceptives, and STDs than it was even 10 years ago. But there are still people who either don't have a computer or are just not able to use their computer easily enough to get the information. Of course, even with the information, there would still be those people who just aren't comfortable talking with their kids about sex, even if they don't actually disapprove of sex education.
 
Meanwhile, we fall further and further behind in basic mathematics, language skills, science, and history.

Kids these days are stupid. But they know the proper way to **** without getting pregnant, even though they don't follow that either.
 
Erod said:
Meanwhile, we fall further and further behind in basic mathematics, language skills, science, and history.

Kids these days are stupid. But they know the proper way to **** without getting pregnant, even though they don't follow that either.
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If kids get pregnant, they usually drop out of school and dont' learn math, etc.

Studies show very clearly that comprehensive sex ed (with teaching birth control) reduces teen pregnancy.

Many studies also show that abstinence-only education is a complete failure at preventing teen pregnancy.
 
misterman said:
Studies show very clearly that comprehensive sex ed (with teaching birth control) reduces teen pregnancy.
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Yet, teen pregnancy is skyrocketing and more than 80 percent of minority children are born out of wedlock.

For every kid that is convinced to use a condom, perhaps two more are convinced that teen sex is socially acceptable.
 
Erod said:
Yet, teen pregnancy is skyrocketing and more than 80 percent of minority children are born out of wedlock.

For every kid that is convinced to use a condom, perhaps two more are convinced that teen sex is socially acceptable.
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But you are just speculating. The actual studies show that teen pregnancy is reduced by teaching comprehensive sex ed (abstinence and birth control) but abstinence-only doesn't work.

BTW, teen pregnancy was going down until the Bush administration pushed for abstinence-only, then it started back up. And it's higher in states that promote abstinence only.
 
Teen sex is totally acceptable and I wholeheartedly endorse it. :)

Erod said:
Yet, teen pregnancy is skyrocketing and more than 80 percent of minority children are born out of wedlock.

For every kid that is convinced to use a condom, perhaps two more are convinced that teen sex is socially acceptable.
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Teens don't need sex-ed to convince them to have sex; their penises/vaginas convince them to.
 
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misterman said:
Awesome. You got a daughter?
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No but I wouldn't have a problem with it even if I did.

Now you respond "well you don't know what it's like" and dismiss my opinion and we'll end it there. :ssst:
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
Teens don't need sex-ed to convince them to have sex; their penises/vaginas convince them to.
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And sex ed classes convince them that it's perfectly okay and natural, so as long as you have a box of condoms, **** to your heart's content.
 
Erod said:
And sex ed classes convince them that it's perfectly okay and natural, so as long as you have a box of condoms, **** to your heart's content.
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Well I don't think you could possibly argue that it's not "natural".

And it doesn't really matter if it's "okay" or not, because they're going to f*ck anyways. And besides I have no problem with telling them that it's perfectly okay, as I said in an earlier post, and wholeheartedly endorse "****ing to your heart's content," provided that you're responsible about it.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Memo to these people: Teenagers are going to have sex regardless of whether they have sex ed or not. Might as well teach them how to be safe.
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Some token minority of students will have sex, sure, but endorsing it will encourage many more to risk unwanted pregnancy then there would have been had you not.
 
ludahai said:
Does the state board of education have the right to override laws? It would be helpful to know WHO put this requirement in place (i.e. state legislature vs. state BOE).
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Okay it's obvious that many here have strayed off the topic, and some have no clue who this DA really is. Well I'll tell you, he's a war hero who saved orphans in Iraq.

BLACKFIVE: Captain Scott Southworth - Someone You Should Know

Maj. Scott Southworth: Heroes in the War on Terror

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/18/eveningnews/main2946007.shtml

I think these links speak for themselves.

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Considering what this guy was part of, I think we can believe he's looking out for the welfare of the children.

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After
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
No but I wouldn't have a problem with it even if I did.
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You don't know me very well. I'm old, fat, ugly, I smoke cigars, no teeth, spit alot, love NASCAR, bad breath, fart alot, live in my car.

(In other words, it was just a joke).
 
Erod said:
And sex ed classes convince them that it's perfectly okay and natural, so as long as you have a box of condoms, **** to your heart's content.
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Again, you're just speculating. You don't actually know what the hell you're talking about. Actual scientific studies say you're wrong.
 
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