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Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

Morality Games said:
First, I don't always live up to the ideal (ideals tend to work like that), but I never celebrate my or anybody else's inability to not live up to the ideal. If I fail, it isn't something I am proud of, though I will own it if forced to.
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That reeks of a liberal mea culpa. Now if I ever see a thread where a Democrat is being hammered for a borderline non-issue and you don't post with a moderate condemnation, I consider you a sinner by omission.

Second, partisanship colors the debate over what a bad policy or what ethical politics are to the point actual badness or ethics is very hard to determine. I'm trying to stay in the realm of the obvious, where a strongly worded belief based on a significant amount of feeling fostered during a short period of time and suffering being undermined by its own originator is unmanly.
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Unmanly? Really? What a red herring. Why not just say that all anti-Obama people are impotent.

'Boldness' is a generous way of putting it. It would have been more bold if he hadn't hastened to ensure his action couldn't be construed as breaking state law by refusing service to supporters of health care reform. As it is, he undermined the force of his own message by claiming he wasn't taking it that far; he stood up for his ideals to the point of expressing an inflammatory emotional response, but not to the point of actually putting his job at risk.

A stoical person would not be capable of such an act (it would embarrass and demean him in his own eyes), and stoicism, a philosophy of self-reliance, determination, and dutifulness, is in practice a realization of manliness. Thus, his masculinity comes into question (not in a biological sense, but a moral one).

Stoical people can make bold movements, but bold movements require personal risk and require a lot of build up. The doctor would have to endure a lot for years before an action like this could be considered a morally legitimate complaint rather than a tantrum. That's what we intuitively expect, since toddlers are sensitive to the point that every deviance from their specifications is a cause for them to voice a huge complaint; they don't need to suffer over a long period of time.
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Wow. Just wow. Seriously, warn me before you post next time so I can grab a glass of water. If you were any more dry and coarse, you'd be sandpaper. You got bent the hell out of shape over a joke. Amazing.
 
There is no evidence this doctor is asking his patients who they voted for.

I think he should ammend the sign saying he will treat people that regret their vote now that they have seen the light.

I think he got what he was after, having a bunch of know-nothings commenting on his action.
 
I support what this doctor is doing. He isn't literally not giving care to Obama voters. However, he is aiding in America's treatment of the cancerous tumor that is the Obama doctrine and Democrat legislation.
 
Mason66 said:
There is no evidence this doctor is asking his patients who they voted for.

I think he should ammend the sign saying he will treat people that regret their vote now that they have seen the light.

I think he got what he was after, having a bunch of know-nothings commenting on his action.
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I think he should treat people who need it regardless of their political leanings, as he is a doctor. I also think that he has a right to protest the government's action, but he should point his ire at the powers that be, not his patients. His stance a amounts to: If you don't agree with my political beliefs, you're now wanted here. His note isn't illegal, and it doesn't violate his oath, but it's asinine nonetheless.
 
digsbe said:
He is aiding in America's treatment of the cancerous tumor that is the Obama doctrine and Democrat legislation.
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By telling sick people he doesn't want to teat them?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
By telling sick people he doesn't want to teat them?
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These sick people voted to damage his business. He isn't denying them care, he is just telling them to go somewhere else. Sure it's a tad immature, but I support the statement he is making.
 
digsbe said:
These sick people voted to damage his business. He isn't denying them care, he is just telling them to go somewhere else. Sure it's a tad immature, but I support the statement he is making.
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well, that's good to know that you approve digsbe. i am certain that will be comforting to the reich wing doctor
 
That reeks of a liberal mea culpa. Now if I ever see a thread where a Democrat is being hammered for a borderline non-issue and you don't post with a moderate condemnation, I consider you a sinner by omission.
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My omission in those threads is compensated for because I don't participate on partisan attacks on Republican figures. Since I consider political immorality a necessity conjured up out of the dramatic sentiments of the American people, attacking any of its manifestations is redundant. If I ever go to those threads, it is only to point out how unrealistic people are being. Mostly, I try to discuss political logistics.

Unmanly? Really? What a red herring. Why not just say that all anti-Obama people are impotent.
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Do you have an objection that isn't just an emotional response? I don't consider my reasoning to be astray and have no reason to do so just because you are unhappy with it.

Wow. Just wow. Seriously, warn me before you post next time so I can grab a glass of water. If you were any more dry and coarse, you'd be sandpaper. You got bent the hell out of shape over a joke. Amazing.
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My comment wasn't directed at you and I had no way of knowing you were listening in, so expecting me to give you a warning is pretty unrealistic.

The jokes people make implies something about their character. That this man and not someone among all the people who agree with him took this specific action, in this specific way, in this specific situation, means something about him, and I am interpreting that.

Furthermore, both your reading, your responses, and your participation in this forum are voluntary. So the authenticity of your complaint is dubious at best, especially since you aren't actually addressing the argument; just complaining that I shouldn't have argued.

Lastly, your response was so sparse in content and style that if it were food I would starve.
 
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justabubba said:
well, that's good to know that you approve digsbe. i am certain that will be comforting to the reich wing doctor
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He is standing up for what he believes. These brainwashed people need to wake up and see the fruits of their actions and what is to come. Many blindly believe that this bill means everyone gets covered and America will become some healthcare utopia. I approve of this doctor's message, but I think his method is immature and may not be the best way if getting his point across. Although it did get media attention so I'm not sure about that. This healthcare bill is not friendly towards doctors or anyone in the medical field.
 
digsbe said:
These sick people voted to damage his business. He isn't denying them care, he is just telling them to go somewhere else. Sure it's a tad immature, but I support the statement he is making.
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If my doctor posted such a note, he would lose my business forever.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
If my doctor posted such a note, he would lose my business forever.
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Well then in your opinion is this man a man of principal and not money? If he is willing to take cuts to profit in order to voice his views?
 
digsbe said:
Well then in your opinion is this man a man of principal and not money? If he is willing to take cuts to profit in order to voice his views?
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I would have to know the demographics and economics of his area, but my opinion is any reduction in customers from among Obama supporters would be off set by Tea Party types, either because they will be more enthused to see him or because they are already the most prevalent ideology in his area.
 
digsbe said:
He is standing up for what he believes. These brainwashed people need to wake up and see the fruits of their actions and what is to come. Many blindly believe that this bill means everyone gets covered and America will become some healthcare utopia. I approve of this doctor's message, but I think his method is immature and may not be the best way if getting his point across. Although it did get media attention so I'm not sure about that. This healthcare bill is not friendly towards doctors or anyone in the medical field.
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so then, you do not project there will be a doctor shortage when the additional uninsured become eligible to see a physician on a routine basis
you don't recognize any looming inequity between supply of medical specialists and the increased number of patients for them to be able to see
it has been my experience that when the demand for my services outstrips my ability to fulfill that demand, i can increase my prices to dissuade the surplus customers from wanting to buy my services
for doctors, isn't that a good thing?
 
justabubba said:
so then, you do not project there will be a doctor shortage when the additional uninsured become eligible to see a physician on a routine basis
you don't recognize any looming inequity between supply of medical specialists and the increased number of patients for them to be able to see
it has been my experience that when the demand for my services outstrips my ability to fulfill that demand, i can increase my prices to dissuade the surplus customers from wanting to buy my services
for doctors, isn't that a good thing?
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People will lose their insurance over this bill. And many sources say the uninsured will not be insured or guaranteed insurance. Some people just can't afford it and some businesses will not be able to afford premium plans that the law may require.

I will have to find a source, but what I have heard is that this bill forces doctors to move to areas that don't have enough medical professionals. Essentially robbing a doctor of his/her freedom to live where they want to or to be near family and friends. It regulated the medical industry, why do you think so many doctors oppose this? Only big insurance and pharmaceuticals like this because the bill works in their favor.
 
justabubba said:
so then, you do not project there will be a doctor shortage when the additional uninsured become eligible to see a physician on a routine basis
you don't recognize any looming inequity between supply of medical specialists and the increased number of patients for them to be able to see
it has been my experience that when the demand for my services outstrips my ability to fulfill that demand, i can increase my prices to dissuade the surplus customers from wanting to buy my services
for doctors, isn't that a good thing?
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In theory it's great, but it's ultimately a masking for a "cap and trade" effect to happen in health care, where the ultimate bully is calling the shots. Nobody in their right mind will think that the power monopoly of Washington will allow for supply and demand to set prices. Once they realize that legitimate doctors are going to gouge, they will set up fly-by-night methods to flood the marketplace with "doctors" who are borderline inept and couldn't hold a candle to a real doctor. Think of it as a "No Child Left Behind" scenario in the medical field. All that piece of junk legislature did was attempt to squeeze more crap through the grinder by removing important mandates and requirements for teachers, and artificially reducing the measuring stick of the American public school children's scores to make people think that kids have improved in base fields of study, but really did nothing or actually got worse.

But the administration didn't think that through. Their policies will clearly cause a massive increase of demand for health services while causing an almost as massive reduction in supply of qualified medical personnel to field them. The problem is that Obama isn't acting with a shred of foresight, while almost anyone can see this problem coming a mile down the road. We're a couple years away from breaking your leg and being taken to a South American medicine man or a guru on Main Street.
 
digsbe said:
People will lose their insurance over this bill. And many sources say the uninsured will not be insured or guaranteed insurance. Some people just can't afford it and some businesses will not be able to afford premium plans that the law may require.

I will have to find a source, but what I have heard is that this bill forces doctors to move to areas that don't have enough medical professionals. Essentially robbing a doctor of his/her freedom to live where they want to or to be near family and friends. It regulated the medical industry, why do you think so many doctors oppose this? Only big insurance and pharmaceuticals like this because the bill works in their favor.
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here is a suggestion. go find some facts. you are obviously listening to people who do not have them
 
digsbe said:
Well then in your opinion is this man a man of principal and not money? If he is willing to take cuts to profit in order to voice his views?
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True, he is favoring principle over profit. I simply disagree with his stated principle. His desire to punish his political opponents outweighs his desire to practice medicine. That may be principled action of sorts, but I find it distasteful.
 
digsbe said:
These sick people voted to damage his business. He isn't denying them care, he is just telling them to go somewhere else. Sure it's a tad immature, but I support the statement he is making.
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So anyone who voted for Obama voted for the healthcare bill?

What I find interesting is that when people protested the war that Bush waged, they were called unpatriotic. But this guy is a hero to some of you. You all are so shallow, it's pathetic.
 
digsbe said:
...but what I have heard is that this bill forces doctors to move to areas that don't have enough medical professionals. Essentially robbing a doctor of his/her freedom to live where they want
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The new law does not force doctors to move to any area.

It offers incentives in the form of a temporary payment increases for physicians serving in low-volume hospitals in rural areas. It also extends the rural community hospital program. Applicable pages in the new law are pp.305-309.
 
donsutherland1 said:
The new law does not force doctors to move to any area.

It offers incentives in the form of a temporary payment increases for physicians serving in low-volume hospitals in rural areas. It also extends the rural community hospital program. Applicable pages in the new law are pp.305-309.
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Please don't try to bring logic and facts to his little fairy tail.
 
aps said:
So anyone who voted for Obama voted for the healthcare bill?
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By proxy, yes. Nobody went to the polls in November thinking Obama was a moderate or even just slightly left-of-center. He was well documented to have the most liberal voting record in America since his Senatorial inception, and this is comparing it to a Kennedy and a self-proclaimed socialist in Sen. Bernie Sanders.

For Obama voters and America in general, this is buyer's remorse if you have any sort of objection.
 
justabubba said:
here is a suggestion. go find some facts. you are obviously listening to people who do not have them
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LOL! Dude, you're as lost as anybody on this subject. You want facts? The language of this bill does as much harm as anything my industry could think of to screw people, the difference is.....we didn't do it, your buddies in congress and the white house did. So remember, the language of the bill forces you to buy insurance or pay a tax, and the insurance premiums will go up, these are facts. I am reading this bill and it's currently worse than I thought it would be. To summarize, take your own advice and go get some facts.
 
LaMidRighter said:
LOL! Dude, you're as lost as anybody on this subject. You want facts? The language of this bill does as much harm as anything my industry could think of to screw people, the difference is.....we didn't do it, your buddies in congress and the white house did. So remember, the language of the bill forces you to buy insurance or pay a tax, and the insurance premiums will go up, these are facts. I am reading this bill and it's currently worse than I thought it would be. To summarize, take your own advice and go get some facts.
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Please see donsutherland's post. disgbe's facts have been shown to be false. Do you care to amend your post? :lol:
 
aps said:
Please see donsutherland's post. disgbe's facts have been shown to be false. Do you care to amend your post? :lol:
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Disgbe's are, this is correct, I am speaking to the general attitude of a very specific poster who knows about as much as disgbe's source. Again, I am reading the bill, and as an agent I see quite a bit of bad in it, most of the dismissals that I see from the Obama side are misinformed.
 
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