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Aunt Spiker said:
I think it's funny that people consider putting someone out of our misery to be cruel punishment to THEM - but a lifetime in jail is actually acceptable.

You'd think that these people who value the "quality of treatment" would prefer a swift execution as opposed to a lifetime behind bars.
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thats why i'm opposed to the death penalty, i see life in jail a much greater punishment
 
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Groucho said:
There's no evidence that capital punishment deters anything. None, zip, zero. Study after study finds no correlation or even a lowering of crime in those places that do have it.

If that's your argument, think of another, cause it holds no water.

I'm not going to shed one tear over this guy. There are some people who deserve it.
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This is an uninformed misconceived statement in light of there not being very many death penalties being carried out except in Texas.

When people are not being taken following conviction to a place of execution where they are hanged by the neck until dead in the public square it is of course no deterrent.

When people know the worst thing that will happen is a shot in the arm and they go to sleep.

It's like when a Doctor tries to ease the pain of a family by saying they die peacefully in their sleep. Lethal injection has no bad connotation attached.

If you think it's better to waste a fortune keeping scum alive and giving them free health care until they die peacefully in their sleep is a deterrent your kidding your misguided Liberal self.

Put some fear in the death penalty and then carry it out in public ans if it saves on young victim it's worth she savings.
 
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spud_meister said:
thats why i'm opposed to the death penalty, i see life in jail a much greater punishment
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I respectfully submit... absolutely wrong...

Most americans have absolutely no clue what goes on in prisons...they have predisposed ideas based on the movies theyve watched.
There are no more more James Cagney Alcatraz's they are ALL long since gone.
How do I know this..I worked 28 yrs in Maximum Security Prison and retired a Captain.
The average american would be appalled at the rights inmates have and WHAT they are allowed to do and given on YOUR dime.
Almost all prisons have contact visits that individuals with life sentences are included, special situations for their religious beliefs..they get the "BEST" medical care, free dental, eye glass's , hearing aids..custom made shoes if they have foot problems...the best of the best... they get PAID to work and they can spend it in the prison store, they have tvs in their cells and radio....they get outside food packages and clothing....Look I could go on and on...heres a simple truth as I see it from my experience...it is NOT worse to give them life in prison under any circumstances....its much worse for the victims families and the taxpayers
 
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Sentinel said:
I respectfully submit... absolutely wrong...

Most americans have absolutely no clue what goes on in prisons...they have predisposed ideas based on the movies theyve watched.
There are no more more James Cagney Alcatraz's they are ALL long since gone.
How do I know this..I worked 28 yrs in Maximum Security Prison and retired a Captain.
The average american would be appalled at the rights inmates have and WHAT they are allowed to do and given on YOUR dime.
Almost all prisons have contact visits that individuals with life sentences are included, special situations for their religious beliefs..they get the "BEST" medical care, they get PAID to work and they can spend it in the prison store...they get outside food packages and clothing....Look I could go on and on...heres a simple truth as I see it from my experience...it is NOT worse to give them life in prison under any circumstances....its much worse for the victims families and the taxpayers
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if you read my earlier posts, i advocate them in solitary confinement, no outside contact what so ever, etc. basically take away their freedom, so it is a punishment.
 
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Andalublue said:
Other questions worth asking:
  1. The US is the only Western country with the death penalty. Is that why perps "off" their victims so that they can't be identified?
  2. Might it be that you have the BEST investigators but that you also have far more murderers? Why might that be?


They do have LOTS of firearms, but they also have LOTS of control of those arms. The regulations controlling and reporting the care, storage and use of any arms in Switzerland would make Charlton Heston spin in his casket.

IMO the question of why such-and-such a society has a high or low murder rate has little to do with gun control (although the relationship between some Americans and their firearms always strikes me as a little bit icky) and virtually nothing to do with judicial deterrence. If that were the case then the lowest homicide rates would apply to the jurisdictions with the severest penalties and there's little evidence that such a correlation exists.

The biggest correlation is between homicide rates and rates of poverty and social inequality. This is an interesting read...
Rev. Saúde Pública- PDF Download - Art. IDS0034-89102005000200008

Obviously this has little to do with finding a rational social response to the punishment of serial killers as there we are dealing with irrational, psychotic and sociopathic behaviour. I believe all killing is bad. Period. It has a negative impact on the victim (obviously) the killer and society in general. Always. That doesn't mean to say that everyone who has killed another person cannot find a justification for that killing, and thus avoid social sanction. But it is still a bad thing. Always.
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The number of illegal immigrants boosts the numbers drastically....;)
 
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spud_meister said:
so what does that prove?
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I was answering Lubie's question....
You don't think twelve murders a day committed by illegals is significant?.....:doh
365 x 12 = 4,380..........:shock:
I do.....:(
It proves much more than this statement:

so might the number of rascists
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spud_meister said:
if you read my earlier posts, i advocate them in solitary confinement, no outside contact what so ever, etc. basically take away their freedom, so it is a punishment.
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The problem with that spud_meister is that its not going to happen...the ACLU would be on that like a stink on chit..
It would never be allowed to keep anyone in solitary...actually the law in my state was you cannot keep anyone in solitary for more than 10 days...trust that if you give him life in prison...he will have it just dandy...most long timers "LEARN" new sexual preferences also..that comes from first hand observation...
 
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Andalublue said:
The US is the only Western country with the death penalty. Is that why perps "off" their victims so that they can't be identified?
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Would that still change the mechanics of the crime though? That acts under the basis that the death penalty is significantly worse than spending the rest of your life in jail, and I was actually kind of shocked when I saw a number of people in this thread agree with me that, if I was given a choice of death or a life of incarceration and potential teeth-grinding involuntary shower sex, I'll take the lethal injection.

The only way to overhaul the system on that basis of thinking is to dramatically reduce the sentence for crimes across the board, specifically violent ones. I don't know if I'd trade one problem for the other, especially when I look at how things are elsewhere in the world, such as across the pond in Europe. On a per-capita basis, there is quite fewer murders elsewhere, but in England (I'll pull one example out) you are five times more likely to get raped, and seven times more likely to be burglarized. Non-violent and violent (outside of murder) crimes are astronomically higher in other places in the world.

There were other great and valid points in your post, but I'm out of breath. Maybe I can bring them up later.
 
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Councilman said:
This is an uninformed misconceived statement in light of there not being very many death penalties being carried out except in Texas.

When people are not being taken following conviction to a place of execution where they are hanged by the neck until dead in the public square it is of course no deterrent.

When people know the worst thing that will happen is a shot in the arm and they go to sleep.

It's like when a Doctor tries to ease the pain of a family by saying they die peacefully in their sleep. Lethal injection has no bad connotation attached.

If you think it's better to waste a fortune keeping scum alive and giving them free health care until they die peacefully in their sleep is a deterrent your kidding your misguided Liberal self.

Put some fear in the death penalty and then carry it out in public ans if it saves on young victim it's worth she savings.
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Of course your proposal is currently in operation in one state. Public executions, hanging by the neck until dead. Produces a great society in which to live and raise a family. That state is Iran. Perhaps you'd like it there.
 
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Gipper said:
Would that still change the mechanics of the crime though? That acts under the basis that the death penalty is significantly worse than spending the rest of your life in jail, and I was actually kind of shocked when I saw a number of people in this thread agree with me that, if I was given a choice of death or a life of incarceration and potential teeth-grinding involuntary shower sex, I'll take the lethal injection.

The only way to overhaul the system on that basis of thinking is to dramatically reduce the sentence for crimes across the board, specifically violent ones. I don't know if I'd trade one problem for the other, especially when I look at how things are elsewhere in the world, such as across the pond in Europe. On a per-capita basis, there is quite fewer murders elsewhere, but in England (I'll pull one example out) you are five times more likely to get raped, and seven times more likely to be burglarized. Non-violent and violent (outside of murder) crimes are astronomically higher in other places in the world.

There were other great and valid points in your post, but I'm out of breath. Maybe I can bring them up later.
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I've read the argument that a real life term is a worse punishment than death, but I don't subscribe to that belief. I will write more in response to your post but I've got to head off to work.
 
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Goshin said:
Not precisely. Arcala tormented and murdered women for his own sick satisfaction, not because they'd actually done him any wrong.

Torturing Arcala as a punishment for his crimes would be a thing done for a purpose, one directly stemming from Arcala's horrific misdeeds. I don't think the two can be directly equated.

Having said that, I have come to agree with Korimyr that however much our emotional desire to inflict suffering on the perp that is comparable to his deeds, to actually do so is to debase ourselves in a profound way.

Better to just execute him expediently and be done with it. Let him justify himself to God, if he can.

At least we will know for absolute certain he will never harm another woman.
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I have a question for you then. Say that in a case this person killed a man that was beating up his father, but was not attempting to kill his father just beat him up. Would that be murder on the son for killing the guy attacking his dad?
 
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Partisan said:
Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily
Study: Murder victims disproportionately black - Race & ethnicity- msnbc.com
Racism Cuts Both Ways | Racist Murder in Britain ? The Shocking Truth
If you insist on going there, Spud, here are some numbers.......;)
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Dont make this into an illegal alien discussion, but those illegal aliens who kill are not always twelve people and typically it is related to gang activity. So really it isn't such a bad thing because those blacks are typically gang bangers. Not ideal citizens huh?
 
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Gipper said:
I'm not quite sure I buy that. I look at America which is among the leaders in the world in murders per capita by country, and I ask myself "is American justice and investigation completely inept compared to other countries?" and I just can't draw a mark to that.

There has to be something. Switzerland is very prolific with firearms and they have among the lowest homicide rates in the world. Same with Israel.

Of course, Israel may be an exception to that. If I had a choice between being in a locked room with 1 Mossad agent or 10 CIA guys, I'd take the CIA and not look back. Outside of that though, there just has to be something else.
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Our crime rate is due to something completely different in my opinion. I think with a high rate of gun ownership, we also have high rates of ignorant and irrational people. The stereotype that Americans are hotheaded and willing to start a fight over nothing, really isn't all that far fetched considering our history of violence towards not just ourselves but others.

It doesn't explain everything regarding the problem but it explains some of it. Our violence is a product of our culture. Israelis have lived with violence for years - so I don't think they're as fast to be violent towards each other.

As far as Switzerland goes, I'm completely stumped but I think it may have to do with a gun culture which ensures gun owners are responsible. The Swiss have laws which make sure an individual can properly use his firearm and knows the laws surrounding them before he gets it among with other strict laws. No such thing in America because very few of laws are uniform when it comes to guns. In America pretty much every John, Dick and Jane can buy a gun by going to a state with lax laws.
 
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