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College Students Want 'Our Lord' Phrase Off Diplomas

rathi said:
These aren't children, they are legal adults. They have every right to speak up if they disagree with the way their school handles things. They are paying customers for their education, and have every right to question what happens with their money. While the owners of the school have the ultimate authority, the students should be encourage to communicate their desire to the administration.
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An 18 year old 95% are mental children that may have legal rights but they are not (rightfully so) respected for their opinion. They generally dont know ****.

Also..... understand they are NOT customers there. They are students that have a PRIVILEGE to go there. It is a privilege. They have the right to learn or to get the heck out. Period.
 
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TheHat said:
Since when do "customers" go to the school for 4 years, then bitch and moan about 2 words at the school they are "customers" for, while never taking into consideration that they are at TRINITY UNIVERSTIY!!!!

Did they wake up at the age of 22 and say "Oh look, we have been going to a Christian school for 4 years. Did you know this? We should tell someone. Yeah! Lets stick it to the college we didn't know we were attending for 48 months!":rofl

Next they are going to go to mass and cry, piss, and moan that the priest is talking about God.:doh

Why do people try and rationalzie stupidity like this?

Walk up on stage, get your 8 x 11" piece of paper and go the **** home. Your not gonna change the world with your panzy ass little hissy fit about a couple of words. Obviously these students didn't do enough work while at college to have time to piss and moan about 2 words like this. everyone has some stupid cause they want to fight for nowadays. Shut up, go home and get a real ****ing job.
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If you've ever had employment that involved selling people something, you would know that customers aren't always rational or reasonable. But the rational response of the private university would be to offer custom diplomas for an extra fee.

Ikari said:
That doesn't really make sense. We use the BC/AD notation for keeping track of years. AD stand for Anno Dominem which I think means "in the year of our lord".
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Hence Common Era notation:

Common Era - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But that's just getting kind of anal. We still talk about sunrise and sunset even though we know the sun isn't actually moving around the Earth - so why care about whether our system of time has to do with Jesus or if Jesus was actually born in 0 CE?

misterman said:
So you assume:

1. This student, who attended this conservative Christian school, is a "liberal."
2. His objection is to religion, rather than motivated by his own strongly held religious beleifs.
3. He's trying to "force" something.

Hmm.
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lol yeah... probably a negative correlation between liberal and muslim.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
You are there to learn. You have no business in wasting your time in something OTHER than what you are there for. Your purpose is to learn there. Nothing more. Now what YOU did was related to academics. This topic we are speaking about NOW has NOTHING to do with that. (good job BTW)

If you were my kid and I was paying for your schooling and I found out you were involved in some crap like this I would pull you out ASAP.

Kids have to learn life lessons. Just like if you are at work.... you DONT worry about what other people are doing. You worry about YOUR job and YOUR work. You never ever complain to the boss or upper management about goofy crap like this. (unless you want to get fired soon) That is NOT your job.

If you dont like it..... go to ANOTHER school. Stop wasting the time of the school and focus on the ONLY thing that should be important to you.
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OK maybe my example wasn't the best because it was academic, and thanks it didn't take long to get them to agree to a compromise. But I still feel I have a responsibility as a student of my school to inform the school of what I think is wrong.

Now I probably wouldn't go to the Dean of the School to complain about what my diploma says because to be honest I don't care what it says because I am not going to read it. All I need the diploma to do is say I graduated from my school. But it still doesn't change the fact that if I feel the school isn't doing something right that I have a responsibility as a student to inform them. And I know I could go up to the Dean and talk with him about. It doesn't mean he will agree or it will change, but as a student I have the right to voice my opinion on the school's actions.
 
Andalublue said:
So many people on DP seem very keen on the pronouncements of the 'Founders' of the US. Didn't the Founders (Washinton, Jefferson et al) decree that there should be a separation of church and state? Didn't they say that, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"?

Isn't pledging allegiance to a nation "under God" doing just that? If not, shouldn't the pledge refer to a nation also under Yahwey, Allah, the Buddha nature and the Hindu pantheon?

Didn't Jefferson also say, "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."?

When you say that "only the most fringe elements want to remove the words, "under God" are you referring to all those who don't recognise a Christian God?

Just asking.
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The separation of church and state means that there would be no "officially" enforced or sanctioned religion. There was such warning given about separating the nation or the government from God or a god.

But I was not there and I did not see any video so was it really said or did some liberals just make it up !!!! LOL
 
soccerboy22 said:
OK maybe my example wasn't the best because it was academic, and thanks it didn't take long to get them to agree to a compromise. But I still feel I have a responsibility as a student of my school to inform the school of what I think is wrong.

Now I probably wouldn't go to the Dean of the School to complain about what my diploma says because to be honest I don't care what it says because I am not going to read it. All I need the diploma to do is say I graduated from my school. But it still doesn't change the fact that if I feel the school isn't doing something right that I have a responsibility as a student to inform them. And I know I could go up to the Dean and talk with him about. It doesn't mean he will agree or it will change, but as a student I have the right to voice my opinion on the school's actions.
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Well it sounds like you are in the 5% of a young guy that I would entrust things to. :2wave:
 
Idiots should have considered that prior to ya know... enrolling in a University with such a Religious Past.

I hope the Board tells em to piss off. I know here in twon most people are shaking their heads at this silliness.
 
MrVicchio said:
Idiots should have considered that prior to ya know... enrolling in a University with such a Religious Past.

I hope the Board tells em to piss off. I know here in twon most people are shaking their heads at this silliness.
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I did shake my head..... then I called the assistant to the VP and told her how I feel. Whether it amounts to anything I do not know. (i didnt tell them I was a noodle)
 
Andalublue said:
So many people on DP seem very keen on the pronouncements of the 'Founders' of the US. Didn't the Founders (Washinton, Jefferson et al) decree that there should be a separation of church and state? Didn't they say that, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"?

Isn't pledging allegiance to a nation "under God" doing just that? If not, shouldn't the pledge refer to a nation also under Yahwey, Allah, the Buddha nature and the Hindu pantheon?

Didn't Jefferson also say, "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."?

When you say that "only the most fringe elements want to remove the words, "under God" are you referring to all those who don't recognise a Christian God?

Just asking.
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The "separation of church and state" is not actually in the constitution, but is the court's interpretation(correctly to my mind) of the constitution. I think the distinction between favoring or promoting a religion is bad, but simply mentioning god is not. The words "under god" are not an attempt to establish a state religion, nor does it interfere with any ones free exercise of their religion. It probably is, very technically, a mistake to have it there, but there is no real harm from it, and not worth the effort to remove.
 
Redress said:
The words "under god" are not an attempt to establish a state religion, nor does it interfere with any ones free exercise of their religion.
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Depends on where you say it. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you don't see how a government employee leading a bunch of young children to take an oath that declares them to be "under God" could be considered to be respecting an establishment of religion?
 
misterman said:
Depends on where you say it. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but you don't see how a government employee leading a bunch of young children to take an oath that declares them to be "under God" could be considered to be respecting an establishment of religion?
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"Could be"? Sure. Is? Not so much.
 
An 18 year old 95% are mental children that may have legal rights but they are not (rightfully so) respected for their opinion. They generally dont know ****.
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You don't know **** either and few here respect your opinion, but I still believe in your right to comment about whatever you damn well please.

Also..... understand they are NOT customers there. They are students that have a PRIVILEGE to go there. It is a privilege. They have the right to learn or to get the heck out. Period.
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Education is a business, not a privilege. If I pay somebody 20,000 dollars a year, I damn well have right to speak out about how that money is spent.
 
Redress said:
"Could be"? Sure. Is? Not so much.
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Why not?

You don't find the idea of a government employee leading your children in oaths involving religion uncomfortable?
 
texmaster said:
A group of students at Trinity University in Texas wants the Christian-rooted school to remove the words "Our Lord" from their diplomas, the Houston Chronicle reported.

"A diploma is a very personal item, and people want to proudly display it in their offices and homes,” Sidra Qureshi, president of Trinity Diversity Connection, told the Chronicle. “By having the phrase ‘In the Year of Our Lord,' it is directly referencing Jesus Christ, and not everyone believes in Jesus Christ."

Qureshi, a Muslim student at the school, is leading the campaign to remove the words. The Board of Trustees is expected to vote on the matter during a meeting next month.

Another perfect example of liberalism trying to control private organizations on what they can and cannot do.

What part of Trinity do these students not get?

FOXNews.com - College Students Want 'Our Lord' Phrase Off Diplomas
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I think the school should tell the students to go **** themselves. Any logical thinking person would say that if these dumbasses did not want 'Our Lord" on their diplomas then they should not have went to a christian school or a somewhat christian rooted school. What next students going to a hardcore Muslim university and bitching how the women have to hear burkas? Or maybe students at a Jewish school can bitch that they do not have Barbecue pork ribs at any of the dining facilities on the school campus.
 
misterman said:
Why not?

You don't find the idea of a government employee leading your children in oaths involving religion uncomfortable?
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Not really. The "god" reference is pretty generic and not the emphasis of the pledge.
 
Redress said:
Not really. The "god" reference is pretty generic and not the emphasis of the pledge.
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Yes, so now "god" has no real meaning. I guess that's what happens when you let government run it. I give up.
 
Redress said:
Not at all what I said.
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I know, but it's the state of things now.

It's actually the argument some have used to justify things like "In God We Trust" on coins. Oh, god doesn't really mean anything. It's just an empty slogan. It's not religious.
 
I personally don't care if God, Zeus, Allah, or Kthulu are listed on diplomas, currency, or billboards. It seems important to you religious types, so have at it.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Since they became aware of the words on the diploma, I guess.

I didn't give my diploma a single thought until I had it in my hands.




If you're asking why this thread is 3 pages long, since I'm so obviously right and there is no other point, and anything else is rationalizing stupidity, I'm with you.

If you think it's stupid for these students to want the representation of their education to not contradict their beliefs, then you need to realize that they are not the stupid ones.

They're asking. Not suing, not threatening. They're asking.

That's what adults do.
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Oh yeah, that makes alot of sense. They should have thought about that before choosing their school then. It's not up for the school to change their beliefs. The students should look into the school they want to go to before entering into it. They obviously had no problems for 4 years. Then they are gonna complain about 2 words on their diploma? Seriously?

Again, who rationalizes this stuff?
 
LiveUninhibited said:
If you've ever had employment that involved selling people something, you would know that customers aren't always rational or reasonable. But the rational response of the private university would be to offer custom diplomas for an extra fee.
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They aren't customers 1st of all.

2nd, its not the schools problem. It's the students problem. The school doesn't have to bend to the will of a couple of butt hurt students who went to the school for 4 years and never uttered a complaint about God up until they got their diplomas.

If a diploma offends you, then I have to say that your either A) a total loser with nothing better to do or B) someone who likes to start trouble where there is none.

It is a Christian school. Did the non-Christians who go there think that maybe at a Christian school, there might be references to Jesus or God while attending?

I mean is this such a far fetched notion to possibly conceive? Serously?:confused:
 
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TheHat said:
They aren't customers 1st of all.

2nd, its not the schools problem. It's the students problem. The school doesn't have to bend to the will of a couple of butt hurt students who went to the school for 4 years and never uttered a complaint about God up until they got their diplomas.

If a diploma offends you, then I have to say that your either A) a total loser or B) someone who likes to start trouble where there is none.

It is a Christian school. Did the non-Christians who go there think that maybe at a Christian school, there might be references to Jesus or God while attending?

I mean is this such a far fetched notion to possibly conceive? Serously?:confused:
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I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "customer". The school offers a service which the students buy. That makes them very much customers.

People try and change school policies all the time. It's nothing new. Usually they fail, as they almost certainly will here. There is nothing actually wrong with trying to change school policy. It's stupid and futile in this case, but there is nothing wrong with it.
 
texmaster said:
Removing all religion from schools, colleges and public areas is strictly a liberal cause.
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Are you sure you're not confusing the word "Liberal" with "all things I don't like or disagree with?"

If it is raining, do you say to yourself, "I hate this "Liberal" weather? If your car has a flat, do you curse the poor quality of this "Liberal" tire? Or berate the "Liberal" who made your tire? If people disagree with you, do you tell them they are acting like a "Liberal"?
 
Taylor said:
Some liberals (the real ones) support keeping religion in public schools. They understand the value of pluralism and import of contrasting viewpoints and carry not the small-minded conspiratorial fears of a right-wing plan to convert the masses through public education.
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So, you want schools to teach about Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam?
 
Dezaad said:
So, you want schools to teach about Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam?
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Yes actually. Both in lit classes and history they should be taught. Comparative religion classes are not taught enough at the high school level, but it would be appropriate there as well.
 
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