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College Students Want 'Our Lord' Phrase Off Diplomas

as the song goes, "you can't please everybody, so you got to please yourself"

There are much bigger issues to get excited about. As one poster says, its an internal issue. Let the school and the student hash it out. Just keep it out of the courts.
 
The Board of Trustees is expected to vote on the matter during a meeting next month.
a vote in response to customer concerns seems normal to me.

Another perfect example of liberalism trying to control private organizations on what they can and cannot do.
another example of a hyper-partisan trying to rabble-rouse over nothing.

What part of Trinity do these students not get?
what part of "vote" and "private institution" do you not get?

It seems you are just pissed off because you want the saying to stay in. Good job, you have an opinion. :)
 
A group of students at Trinity University in Texas wants the Christian-rooted school to remove the words "Our Lord" from their diplomas, the Houston Chronicle reported.

"A diploma is a very personal item, and people want to proudly display it in their offices and homes,” Sidra Qureshi, president of Trinity Diversity Connection, told the Chronicle. “By having the phrase ‘In the Year of Our Lord,' it is directly referencing Jesus Christ, and not everyone believes in Jesus Christ."

Qureshi, a Muslim student at the school, is leading the campaign to remove the words. The Board of Trustees is expected to vote on the matter during a meeting next month.


Another perfect example of liberalism trying to control private organizations on what they can and cannot do.

So you assume:

1. This student, who attended this conservative Christian school, is a "liberal."
2. His objection is to religion, rather than motivated by his own strongly held religious beleifs.
3. He's trying to "force" something.

Hmm.
 
Some conservatives (the real ones) support keeping religion out of public schools. They don't want the government teaching religion.
Some liberals (the real ones) support keeping religion in public schools. They understand the value of pluralism and import of contrasting viewpoints and carry not the small-minded conspiratorial fears of a right-wing plan to convert the masses through public education.
 
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Another perfect example of liberalism trying to control private organizations on what they can and cannot do.

What part of Trinity do these students not get?

They aren't suing, they aren't bitching to the government, and they aren't being unreasonable. They're starting a local grass-roots effort to change minds on this issue.

In other words, Trinity College is essentially a business, these students are essentially their customers, and the customers are asking for a change in how they are served.

Since when was this liberalism and not free-market capitalism?

Since when has it become mamby-pamby whiny-bitchy complaining to stand up for what you think is right, and to convince others in similar circumstances to join your cause?

Since when isn't that the American way?

Since you disagreed with it, I guess. :lol:
 
They aren't suing, they aren't bitching to the government, and they aren't being unreasonable. They're starting a local grass-roots effort to change minds on this issue.

In other words, Trinity College is essentially a business, these students are essentially their customers, and the customers are asking for a change in how they are served.

Since when was this liberalism and not free-market capitalism?

Since when has it become mamby-pamby whiny-bitchy complaining to stand up for what you think is right, and to convince others in similar circumstances to join your cause?

Since when isn't that the American way?

Since you disagreed with it, I guess. :lol:

Since when do "customers" go to the school for 4 years, then bitch and moan about 2 words at the school they are "customers" for, while never taking into consideration that they are at TRINITY UNIVERSTIY!!!!

Did they wake up at the age of 22 and say "Oh look, we have been going to a Christian school for 4 years. Did you know this? We should tell someone. Yeah! Lets stick it to the college we didn't know we were attending for 48 months!":rofl

Next they are going to go to mass and cry, piss, and moan that the priest is talking about God.:doh

Why do people try and rationalzie stupidity like this?

Walk up on stage, get your 8 x 11" piece of paper and go the **** home. Your not gonna change the world with your panzy ass little hissy fit about a couple of words. Obviously these students didn't do enough work while at college to have time to piss and moan about 2 words like this. everyone has some stupid cause they want to fight for nowadays. Shut up, go home and get a real ****ing job.
 
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Since when do "customers" go to the school for 4 years, then bitch and moan about 2 words at the school they are "customers" for, while never taking into consideration that they are at TRINITY UNIVERSTIY!!!!

Did they wake up at the age of 22 and say "Oh look, we have been going to a Christian school for 4 years. Did you know this? We should tell someone. Yeah! Lets stick it to the college we didn't know we were attending for 48 months!":rofl

Next they are going to go to mass and cry, piss, and moan that the priest is talking about God.:doh

Since they became aware of the words on the diploma, I guess.

I didn't give my diploma a single thought until I had it in my hands.


Why do people try and rationalzie stupidity like this?

If you're asking why this thread is 3 pages long, since I'm so obviously right and there is no other point, and anything else is rationalizing stupidity, I'm with you.

If you think it's stupid for these students to want the representation of their education to not contradict their beliefs, then you need to realize that they are not the stupid ones.

They're asking. Not suing, not threatening. They're asking.

That's what adults do.
 
Some liberals (the real ones) support keeping religion in public schools. They understand the value of pluralism and import of contrasting viewpoints and carry not the small-minded conspiratorial fears of a right-wing plan to convert the masses through public education.

I think most liberals are pretty reasonable in terms of religion in public schools. Only the most fringe element want to remove the words "under god" from the pledge, only the real lunatic fringe think children should not be allowed to pray in school(and the constitution protects the rights of students to do so), most of us have no problem with religious based clubs and so forth.

Since this is about a private school, I think most of us have a pretty reasonable attitude as well...it's private, the school can do as it chooses in this case.
 
College Students Will Soon Graduate and Discover More Pressing Life Concerns Such as Feeding Themselves

Damn, you need to post more often, you always make me smile.
 
The school should do what it wants, but really, why do so many people have to get caught up in crap like this? It's a throw away phrase.
 
College Students Will Soon Graduate and Discover More Pressing Life Concerns Such as Feeding Themselves

Dont forget finding parties and drinking booze. ANNND dont gotget giving muslims a right to practice their religion without opression but to take AWAY a christians right. :roll:
 
The school should do what it wants, but really, why do so many people have to get caught up in crap like this? It's a throw away phrase.

For real if the school chooses to take the phrase out they do, if they don't then they don't. It really isn't any of our concern.
 
Well if this Sidra Quresh is so whacked out about a reference to "Our Lord" then he/she should not attend a " Christian-rooted school ".

If I enrolled in a Buddist centric school I would expect to see statues of the fat green man laying around and I would have no logical right to complain about the fat green man is his image was on my diploma !!

Go somewhere else if you don't like it Quresh!!
 
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Already explained it twice. Please read the thread.

....so a Muslim student, wanting to remove the word 'God' from the diplomas of the school means this is the fault of liberalism? Are you really this intellectually dishonest? Or are you pretending to be?
 
It's a private Christian school. They can fight the system, but be prepared to lose.
 
It's a private Christian school. They can fight the system, but be prepared to lose.

I think the school wins on the grounds that these are graduating students. They have basically two choices. Graduate or not accept the diploma. I think they'll graduate.
 
....so a Muslim student, wanting to remove the word 'God' from the diplomas of the school means this is the fault of liberalism? Are you really this intellectually dishonest? Or are you pretending to be?

It's a reflex. It doesn't go through his brain.
 
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventieth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the twelfth.

Boldness added for emphasis by me.

This university has every right as a private institution to put "In the year of our Lord" on their diplomas, I would also argue that it's perfectly fine for state universities to do this too. America's most public document (The Constitution) has the exact words written in it :mrgreen:
 
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Boldness added for emphasis by me.

This university has every right as a private institution to put "In the year of our Lord" on their diplomas, I would also argue that it's perfectly fine for state universities to do this too. America's most public document (The Constitution) has the exact words written in it :mrgreen:

I think the key is removing that phrase is a small step toward the lowering of morals. Plus I feel it has historical significance. They are there to LEARN. Not to complain about these types of things.

Look..... children in college should NOT be able to change the rules or regulations of a school. They are children that really have no life experiences. They can bitch and moan like all the generations before them on changing the school they are going to but they really should have zero influence there.
 
I think the key is removing that phrase is a small step toward the lowering of morals. Plus I feel it has historical significance. They are there to LEARN. Not to complain about these types of things.

Look..... children in college should NOT be able to change the rules or regulations of a school. They are children that really have no life experiences. They can bitch and moan like all the generations before them on changing the school they are going to but they really should have zero influence there.

I couldn't disagree more. As a student if my school is doing something that I don't feel is right as a student it is my responsibility to inform them of my opinion. As students we changed the rule that only 50 pages per semester could be printed from school printer for free, after that it was 12 cents per page. We wanted it to be 200 because a lot of our reading assignments are online and we are always told to bring them to class for discussion purposes. We got it changed to 100 pages per semester and the school is looking at what else they can do to help us.

As student it is our responsibility to inform the school what we think it wrong with it so they can make it better.
 
I think most liberals are pretty reasonable in terms of religion in public schools. Only the most fringe element want to remove the words "under god" from the pledge..., most of us have no problem with religious based clubs and so forth.

So many people on DP seem very keen on the pronouncements of the 'Founders' of the US. Didn't the Founders (Washinton, Jefferson et al) decree that there should be a separation of church and state? Didn't they say that, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"?

Isn't pledging allegiance to a nation "under God" doing just that? If not, shouldn't the pledge refer to a nation also under Yahwey, Allah, the Buddha nature and the Hindu pantheon?

Didn't Jefferson also say, "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."?

When you say that "only the most fringe elements want to remove the words, "under God" are you referring to all those who don't recognise a Christian God?

Just asking.
 
Look..... children in college should NOT be able to change the rules or regulations of a school. They are children that really have no life experiences. They can bitch and moan like all the generations before them on changing the school they are going to but they really should have zero influence there.

These aren't children, they are legal adults. They have every right to speak up if they disagree with the way their school handles things. They are paying customers for their education, and have every right to question what happens with their money. While the owners of the school have the ultimate authority, the students should be encourage to communicate their desire to the administration.
 
I couldn't disagree more. As a student if my school is doing something that I don't feel is right as a student it is my responsibility to inform them of my opinion. As students we changed the rule that only 50 pages per semester could be printed from school printer for free, after that it was 12 cents per page. We wanted it to be 200 because a lot of our reading assignments are online and we are always told to bring them to class for discussion purposes. We got it changed to 100 pages per semester and the school is looking at what else they can do to help us.

As student it is our responsibility to inform the school what we think it wrong with it so they can make it better.


You are there to learn. You have no business in wasting your time in something OTHER than what you are there for. Your purpose is to learn there. Nothing more. Now what YOU did was related to academics. This topic we are speaking about NOW has NOTHING to do with that. (good job BTW)

If you were my kid and I was paying for your schooling and I found out you were involved in some crap like this I would pull you out ASAP.

Kids have to learn life lessons. Just like if you are at work.... you DONT worry about what other people are doing. You worry about YOUR job and YOUR work. You never ever complain to the boss or upper management about goofy crap like this. (unless you want to get fired soon) That is NOT your job.

If you dont like it..... go to ANOTHER school. Stop wasting the time of the school and focus on the ONLY thing that should be important to you.
 
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