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Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself

I just read an article where it said her parents are thinking about filing a civil suit. I hope they do.
 
aps said:
I just read an article where it said her parents are thinking about filing a civil suit. I hope they do.
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Yeah, because money makes it all better. What a crock of ****. Their daughter dies and they want money? I ****ing hate that kind of narcissistic, money grabbing abuse of our legal system.
 
aps said:
I just read an article where it said her parents are thinking about filing a civil suit. I hope they do.
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Yes, because these girls are so responsible, monetarily, for these parents not listening to and paying enough attention to their disturbed little daughter to keep her from stringing herself up in a closet because some kids were big mean poopy-heads to her. :roll:
 
rivrrat said:
Yeah, because money makes it all better. What a crock of ****. Their daughter dies and they want money? I ****ing hate that kind of narcissistic, money grabbing abuse of our legal system.
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Well, they can't shoot 'em. Can't hang 'em either.


Looks like money's gonna have to do.

PS... Can't believe you even wrote that. :confused:
 
Captain America said:
Well, they can't shoot 'em. Can't hang 'em either.


Looks like money's gonna have to do.

PS... Can't believe you even wrote that. :confused:
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Why? Everything about this has the fingerprints of mental defect on the so-called "victim". She arrives from overseas, immediately starts sleeping around with guys from the football team and then goes and hangs herself as a response to some teasing.

Why should those other kids or the parents of those other kids pay for a tragedy that could have been avoided with paxil?
 
jallman said:
Yes, because these girls are so responsible, monetarily, for these parents not listening to and paying enough attention to their disturbed little daughter to keep her from stringing herself up in a closet because some kids were big mean poopy-heads to her. :roll:
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All due respect Jally, but that point of view, right there, is one reason bully's get away with as much **** as they do.

Just sayin'. :roll:

I think everybody knows my opinion of bullies. I hope they stick it up their ass, rotate it, and then break it off.

But hey, it's Good Friday.

Peace be unto you.

:lol:
 
Captain America said:
Well, they can't shoot 'em. Can't hang 'em either.


Looks like money's gonna have to do.

PS... Can't believe you even wrote that. :confused:
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Can't shoot who? No one is responsible for their daughter's death but their daughter. If anyone at ALL would be responsible for not realizing she needed serious help, it's the parents.

How in the bloody hell is money going to help anything? Seeking a monetary settlement for the death of a loved one is just ... disgusting. Absolutely a disgusting, self-centered, self-serving, pathetic ABUSE of our legal system.
 
rivrrat said:
Can't shoot who? No one is responsible for their daughter's death but their daughter. If anyone at ALL would be responsible for not realizing she needed serious help, it's the parents.
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I can definitely see your point here. However, were it not for the bullies, she probably wouldn't have committed suicide in the first place. They pushed her to that point. I honestly just wish kids had the smarts to realize that anyone could be completely unstable and that you never know what someone could be capable of if pushed far enough. It disgusts me even more that they mocked her on her facebook page after her death. To me that sounds quite sociopathic. The parents did, however, have a responsibility to their daughter to get her the care that she obviously required. While I doubt anything too terribly serious will happen to these bullying kids, I sincerely hope that it will haunt them for the rest of their lives. I know it would me.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I can definitely see your point here. However, were it not for the bullies, she probably wouldn't have committed suicide in the first place.
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There is no way to know that. In fact, from her behavior at the onset, it looked like there might have been some emotional and/or self esteem issues to start with.

You can't lay her death at the feet of these other kids.
 
rivrrat said:
Can't shoot who? No one is responsible for their daughter's death but their daughter. If anyone at ALL would be responsible for not realizing she needed serious help, it's the parents.

How in the bloody hell is money going to help anything? Seeking a monetary settlement for the death of a loved one is just ... disgusting. Absolutely a disgusting, self-centered, self-serving, pathetic ABUSE of our legal system.
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I can agree that responsibility rests on the shoulders of many. No argument here.

The daughter had to be a brick shy of a load to take such a long term approach to a short term problem.

But I think this issue is the PERFECT oppertunity to stick a spike, once and for all, in the issue of the blind-eyed, social acceptance of harassment, mental abuse and bullying that every short kid, that ever rode the short bus, has had to endure over the ages.

And if money is what it takes to get their goddam attention, I'm all for it. I would prefer lashings, but I digress.

Sure, some may say, "Kids will be kids. It's a natural process. Toughen up. Only the strong survive." And that's all well and good for the strong. But I'm here, on the side of the weak. (Perhaps that is why I am such a pro-lifer too.)
 
jallman said:
There is no way to know that. In fact, from her behavior at the onset, it looked like there might have been some emotional and/or self esteem issues to start with.

You can't lay her death at the feet of these other kids.
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So are you honestly saying that you don't think that their bullying had anything at all to do with her suicide? I'm not denying that she could have been unstable to begin with, but I don't think there is any doubt that their bullying pushed her over the edge. Plus, does it not bother you that these kids showed absolutely no remorse and mocked her on her facebook page?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
So are you honestly saying that you don't think that their bullying had anything at all to do with her suicide? I'm not denying that she could have been unstable to begin with, but I don't think there is any doubt that their bullying pushed her over the edge. Plus, does it not bother you that these kids showed absolutely no remorse and mocked her on her facebook page?
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I think Jall's answer might surprise you. :shock:

Takes all kind's of people to make the world go 'round.

We should be more careful in who we entrust the live's of our children with.
 
jallman said:
No, but there is an expectation that you have something to say about the point of contention rather than "wait and see". You know, like a real argument or something.

You may proceed to post your stupid little yawny faces and make some statement of victimization before you run away tearfully again. :roll:
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Has anyone ever called you a bully Jall?

You come across as somewhat, subliminally defending them.

But I could be wrong.

Just curious. :roll:

Trying to play connect-a-dots with you. Wanting to understand better where you are coming from.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
So are you honestly saying that you don't think that their bullying had anything at all to do with her suicide? I'm not denying that she could have been unstable to begin with, but I don't think there is any doubt that their bullying pushed her over the edge. Plus, does it not bother you that these kids showed absolutely no remorse and mocked her on her facebook page?
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There is no way to know what would have pushed her over the edge. Could have been a sad song. Could have been a broken heart. Could have been a checkout girl being mean to her. There is no way to know whether or not if they didn't bully her, would she be alive. Or for how long? Until someone else was mean to her?

You just don't know.

No one is defending the actions of the bullies. They're bullies. They're pricks. And they usually either end up committing crimes, on the wrong side of a gun, or they grow the **** up. But one thing that should not happen is putting them in jail, and giving them criminal records, or putting their families in financial debt just because they're pricks and out of PURE speculation about "what might have happened".

Maybe she wouldn't have committed suicide if her family hadn't moved here from Ireland. I mean, how far back in the "what if" chain should we go? How far back to we want to look so we can place blame on someone else other than HER for her own actions?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
....but I don't think there is any doubt that their bullying pushed her over the edge.
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Yes, but without knowing the full cause of her condition and why, someone bumping into her could have pushed her to the edge. You can't say with certainty that she would be fine today had this not happened either.
 
rivrrat said:
And I'm saying it DOES work for kids/teens too. 100% of the time? No. Nothing does. But, do you have any idea how many schools I went to over years? I encountered this **** from New York, to North Carolina, to Nevada, to Virginia, to WV while in school. It's always worked for me. And, it's worked as an adult too. Though as an adult, I use the "be nice to them" approach much more often.

You act like I've not actually SEEN it work as a teen. Or experienced it. I have. It DOES work.

Now, it is kind of irrelevant in this case because discussing what she "should have done" is pretty pointless. The only reason I brought it up was because someone pointedly asked me.
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It's worked for YOU. You've been to many schools. I've seen many TEENS in many schools. I can tell you that what you suggest may work for some, but in the majority of situations, not at all.
 
rivrrat said:
There is no way to know what would have pushed her over the edge. Could have been a sad song. Could have been a broken heart. Could have been a checkout girl being mean to her. There is no way to know whether or not if they didn't bully her, would she be alive. Or for how long? Until someone else was mean to her?

You just don't know.
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I read somewhere (though I can't find it now) that she did this shortly after arriving home from school. On her way home from school, some of the girls drove by her and threw a can of something at her. Are you really saying that you don't think the bullying had something to do with it?

No one is defending the actions of the bullies. They're bullies. They're pricks. And they usually either end up committing crimes, on the wrong side of a gun, or they grow the **** up. But one thing that should not happen is putting them in jail, and giving them criminal records, or putting their families in financial debt just because they're pricks and out of PURE speculation about "what might have happened".
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It seems silly to me for anyone to assert that the two could be unrelated. She was getting bullied by 9 different people. Her parents begged the school to do something about it because she was being tormented. I think it's pretty clear what caused this.
 
rivrrat said:
There is no way to know what would have pushed her over the edge. Could have been a sad song. Could have been a broken heart. Could have been a checkout girl being mean to her. There is no way to know whether or not if they didn't bully her, would she be alive. Or for how long? Until someone else was mean to her?

You just don't know.

No one is defending the actions of the bullies. They're bullies. They're pricks. And they usually either end up committing crimes, on the wrong side of a gun, or they grow the **** up. But one thing that should not happen is putting them in jail, and giving them criminal records, or putting their families in financial debt just because they're pricks and out of PURE speculation about "what might have happened".

Maybe she wouldn't have committed suicide if her family hadn't moved here from Ireland. I mean, how far back in the "what if" chain should we go? How far back to we want to look so we can place blame on someone else other than HER for her own actions?
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This case is not based on whether these kids's acts caused her death. If they are found guilty of, say, criminal harassment b ased on what actually happened, how can you say they will have criminal records based on speculation.

It amazes me that with what little evidence is out there, you speak like your position is "fact." Get over yourself.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
So are you honestly saying that you don't think that their bullying had anything at all to do with her suicide? I'm not denying that she could have been unstable to begin with, but I don't think there is any doubt that their bullying pushed her over the edge. Plus, does it not bother you that these kids showed absolutely no remorse and mocked her on her facebook page?
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I am saying you don't know that she wouldn't have killed herself if those girls were taken out of the picture. She showed signs of having some emotional disturbances to start with, first by immediately sleeping around and then by killing herself. That's really dramatic and has a note of finality to it that healthy people would not indulge.

She might not have killed herself that day, but she very well might have killed herself the next over something her mom or dad said, over an argument with her sister, or over something that happened on 90210. You don't know and you can't blame these other kids for her death. No one hung that girl but her.
 
Captain America said:
Has anyone ever called you a bully Jall?

You come across as somewhat, subliminally defending them.

But I could be wrong.

Just curious. :roll:

Trying to play connect-a-dots with you. Wanting to understand better where you are coming from.
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I think I have been called a bully on here once or twice. I have never really been a bully other than little incidents with my brother and that doesn't count. That's called sibling rivalry.

And no, I am not defending their actions. I am condemning the criminal charges against them.

How I feel about their actions is irrelevant to the reality of the situation. I may be disgusted by them as people, but I am not willing to trump criminal charges against them to placate damaged feelings over a disturbed girl's death.
 
jallman said:
I am saying you don't know that she wouldn't have killed herself if those girls were taken out of the picture. She showed signs of having some emotional disturbances to start with, first by immediately sleeping around and then by killing herself. That's really dramatic and has a note of finality to it that healthy people would not indulge.

She might not have killed herself that day, but she very well might have killed herself the next over something her mom or dad said, over an argument with her sister, or over something that happened on 90210. You don't know and you can't blame these other kids for her death. No one hung that girl but her.
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That is a valid approach. I give you thumbs up for such a logical and well thought out presentation.

I suppose, we all have to admit, there are factors to this particular situation, that we are all unaware of. There has to be. We form our opinions on the best info we accumulate. Jallman could be 100% right. Time will tell. I guess we will all have to put our faith in the courts to see this through.

I am looking at through these eyes here:

Young girl, new high school, feeling like a fish out of water, looking for acceptance and friendship as any teen-ager would. Easy, vulnerable prey, made the same mistake millions and millions of girls in that position do, sleep with some guy thinking that would get her the love and acceptance she needs. (Teenagers ****. Can I get a witness? :rofl) Some here may call her an Irish slut, getting what she deserved, but I simply pity those people.)

Barbi, and her entourage of other air-headed, pep-squad clicker's, don't like the fact that an outsider boinked Chaz and entered herself into the "better-than-thou" gene pool. New doe in the herd. That's, like, so beasty! Gag me with a spoon! <tosses hair.>

Chaz, in repentance for ****ing outside the chosen few, has to betray the Irish slut and join in with doe-heard as they laugh and call Rudolph....er....the Irish slut, names and not only keep her from playing their reindeer games, they focus like a laser to make this vulnerable child life a living nightmare.

Then, Mommy and Daddy Slut get to cut their little girl down from her noose and bury their little girl.

If I were to fall down on one side or the other, not knowing ALL the facts, I prefer to err on the side of the grieving parents and NOT on the side of the bully-class.

I'm funny that way. Call me crazy.
 
jallman said:
I think I have been called a bully on here once or twice. I have never really been a bully other than little incidents with my brother and that doesn't count. That's called sibling rivalry.

And no, I am not defending their actions. I am condemning the criminal charges against them.

How I feel about their actions is irrelevant to the reality of the situation. I may be disgusted by them as people, but I am not willing to trump criminal charges against them to placate damaged feelings over a disturbed girl's death.
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I can respect that.

Yesterday, Bill O'reilly had a guest on and the argument was about a panel of judges that sided with the Phelp's cult and, to add insult to injury, they also awarded the Phelp's cult monetary compensation from the grieving father that took them to court.

In short, Phelp's bullied this grieving father's son's funeral, the father sued, lost, and had to pay the Phelp's whacko's money.

It ain't right, but that's the law.

What a world, hey?
 
Captain America said:
That is a valid approach. I give you thumbs up for such a logical and well thought out presentation.

I suppose, we all have to admit, there are factors to this particular situation, that we are all unaware of. There has to be. We form our opinions on the best info we accumulate. Jallman could be 100% right. Time will tell. I guess we will all have to put our faith in the courts to see this through.

I am looking at through these eyes here:

Young girl, new high school, feeling like a fish out of water, looking for acceptance and friendship as any teen-ager would. Easy, vulnerable prey, made the same mistake millions and millions of girls in that position do, sleep with some guy thinking that would get her the love and acceptance she needs. (Teenagers ****. Can I get a witness? :rofl) Some here may call her an Irish slut, getting what she deserved, but I simply pity those people.)

Barbi, and her entourage of other air-headed, pep-squad clicker's, don't like the fact that an outsider boinked Chaz and entered herself into the "better-than-thou" gene pool. New doe in the herd. That's, like, so beasty! Gag me with a spoon! <tosses hair.>

Chaz, in repentance for ****ing outside the chosen few, has to betray the Irish slut and join in with doe-heard as they laugh and call Rudolph....er....the Irish slut, names and not only keep her from playing their reindeer games, they focus like a laser to make this vulnerable child life a living nightmare.

Then, Mommy and Daddy Slut get to cut their little girl down from her noose and bury their little girl.

If I were to fall down on one side or the other, not knowing ALL the facts, I prefer to err on the side of the grieving parents and NOT on the side of the bully-class.

I'm funny that way. Call me crazy.
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I understand all that but do you not see the dramatization you are creating and how that has taken a life of its own..."Crucify the Cheerleaders!!!"

I never said I was coming down on the side of "Barbi and Chaz" and I don't think the girl is a slut or Irish slut or anything else. But I do think that her behavior was indicative of some self esteem issues and that her fragility is not the fault of these other kids.

Some people just can't handle life. Does that make the people who don't tip-toe around their feelings criminals for not treating them with kid gloves? :shrug:
 
Captain America said:
I can respect that.

Yesterday, Bill O'reilly had a guest on and the argument was about a panel of judges that sided with the Phelp's cult and, to add insult to injury, they also awarded the Phelp's cult monetary compensation from the grieving father that took them to court.

In short, Phelp's bullied this grieving father's son's funeral, the father sued, lost, and had to pay the Phelp's whacko's money.

It ain't right, but that's the law.

What a world, hey?
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I think the Phelps clan provoke lawsuits so they can make money. I think that should be examined by the court before compensation is ever paid out.
 
jallman said:
I think the Phelps clan provoke lawsuits so they can make money. I think that should be examined by the court before compensation is ever paid out.
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I think they should be examined by a coroner, but that's just me. :mrgreen:
 
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