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ludahai said:
Peace was on offer and the Palestinians rejected it. It is still there IF and ONLY IF the Palestinians really want peace at the table. It isn't up to me, it is up to the Palestinians. To date, they have not shown up at the peace table.
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That is a diversion. Peace is worked for until peace is achieved. There are reasons why it did not work before so it must be worked for again, unless your objective is, as you have already said it is, to drive all Muslims out of the area.

You will work against peace. This is noted.


ludahai said:
So, being historicall honest and saying that the Crusades were a RESPONSE to centuries of Islamic aggression (historical fact) and that Islamic jihad agaisnt Christians started in the 7th century (historical fact) and that Islam's war against Christians did NOT end with the Crusades but continued for centuries more (historical fact) makes me an EXTREMIST?!?!? Sorry, YOU are the one with the problem here, not me. You need to look at history and remember that were it not for heros at places like Tours and Vienna, the Western world could very well be a lot more Muslim today than it is due to Islamic aggression against the Christian world.
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How can you possibly imagine you know anything about the 'truth' when you are on a religious crusade.

Well I have found one of you who moved to our shores and saw the light. He finds you very dangerous people now he has spent some time in Palestine, met members of the Christian Church there and been un brainwashed.

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What is it you work for Armageddon and then you walk of with the goodies while everyone else perishes. Wow what a lot you have to offer the world.
 
alexa said:
That is a diversion. Peace is worked for until peace is achieved. There are reasons why it did not work before so it must be worked for again, unless your objective is, as you have already said it is, to drive all Muslims out of the area.

You will work against peace. This is noted.
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When did I saw I want to drive all Muslims out of the area?

How can you possibly imagine you know anything about the 'truth' when you are on a religious crusade.
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Whatever. You didn't address any of the historical truths I have outlined. Furthermore, the "fact" that the Persians (Sassanid) had it for twenty years before the Arabs conquered it was completely wrong. It was BACK in Roman hands when the Arabs invaded.

Well I have found one of you who moved to our shores and saw the light. He finds you very dangerous people now he has spent some time in Palestine, met members of the Christian Church there and been un brainwashed.
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You call me brainwashed for actually understanding history? Gee... how very Chinese of you.
 
ludahai said:
When did I saw I want to drive all Muslims out of the area?
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Possibly I was just reading between the lines. I thought I had seen you writing it somewhere but given that you are on a crusade against Muslims it makes little difference. You are driven by religious extremism and so nothing which you say can be given credibility - which does not mean it is not dangerous.

ludahai said:
Whatever. You didn't address any of the historical truths I have outlined. Furthermore, the "fact" that the Persians (Sassanid) had it for twenty years before the Arabs conquered it was completely wrong. It was BACK in Roman hands when the Arabs invaded.
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I have no interest in becoming involved in your crusade, though you harping on about it is at least you honestly expressing your reason for your desire to remain uncritical of Israel and to work against peace. Probably all nations like all children would try to see how far they can go. You encourage Israel to go a way which you believe will reach Armageddon. This supports your 'literalistic truths' from the bible and puts the security of the whole world in danger because I believe it is not impossible that you will achieve your aim.

What good will that do to the ordinary Israeli. No more good than you at the moment want to inflict on the Muslims of the world.

ludahai said:
You call me brainwashed for actually understanding history? Gee... how very Chinese of you.
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I call you brainwashed for being a literalist Christian.
 
alexa said:
Possibly I was just reading between the lines. I thought I had seen you writing it somewhere but given that you are on a crusade against Muslims it makes little difference. You are driven by religious extremism and so nothing which you say can be given credibility - which does not mean it is not dangerous.
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You claim that what I say can't be given credibility, yet you can not deny the history I have brought to the fore, which is why you don't comment on it.

I have no interest in becoming involved in your crusade, though you harping on about it is at least you honestly expressing your reason for your desire to remain uncritical of Israel and to work against peace. Probably all nations like all children would try to see how far they can go. You encourage Israel to go a way which you believe will reach Armageddon. This supports your 'literalistic truths' from the bible and puts the security of the whole world in danger because I believe it is not impossible that you will achieve your aim.
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I am critical of Israel when it is warrented. I don't believe it to be so in this case. Rather than brand people with broad brushes, you should try to understand their world view. You also have failed to debunk the history that caused you to brand me with this very broad brush.

What good will that do to the ordinary Israeli. No more good than you at the moment want to inflict on the Muslims of the world.
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What do I want to inflict on the Muslims of the world, pray tell.


I call you brainwashed for being a literalist Christian.
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:rofl I am a "literalist Christian?" You really don't know me well at all, do you. :rofl
 
ludahai said:
You claim that what I say can't be given credibility, yet you can not deny the history I have brought to the fore, which is why you don't comment on it.
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It is irrelevant to the current situation of Israel announcing building in East Jerusalem when it is having talks with the US which is trying to get peace back on the agenda.

It illustrates another agenda and one which indicates extremism.
ludahai said:
I am critical of Israel when it is warrented. I don't believe it to be so in this case. Rather than brand people with broad brushes, you should try to understand their world view. You also have failed to debunk the history that caused you to brand me with this very broad brush.
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When I see you having the ability to do that then I will respsond.

ludahai said:
What do I want to inflict on the Muslims of the world, pray tell.
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Well have a look at what you have written and you may know what you have said.



ludahai said:
:rofl I am a "literalist Christian?" You really don't know me well at all, do you. :rofl
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Are you saying I am mistaken in believing you are an Evangelical Zionist?
 
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alexa said:
It is irrelevant to the current situation of Israel announcing building in East Jerusalem when it is having talks with the US which is trying to get peace back on the agenda.

It illustrates another agenda and one which indicates extremism.
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Considering you used my pointing out of HISTORY on another thread for your judgement of me on this particular case, it IS relevant.


When I see you having the ability to do that then I will respsond.
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Classic cop-out.

Well have a look at what you have written and you may know what you have said.
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Classic cop-out redo

Are you saying I am mistaken in believing you are an Evangelical Zionist?
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Very much so. I am not even Evangelical. :rofl
 
ludahai said:
Considering you used my pointing out of HISTORY on another thread for your judgement of me on this particular case, it IS relevant.
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Not at all as both threads were discussig basically the same thing


ludahai said:
Classic cop-out.



Classic cop-out redo
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Well no question, your response certainly is.

ludahai said:
Very much so. I am not even Evangelical. :rofl
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Fair enough but you are still fighting the Crusades. What branch of Christianity do you actually belong to.
 
alexa said:
Fair enough but you are still fighting the Crusades. What branch of Christianity do you actually belong to.
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I am not fighting the Crusades. I didn't even bring them up. Someone else did. I was merely pointing to the HISTORICAL FACT that Muslims have been on the offensive against Christianity for THIRTEEN CENTURIES, something you can't refute because it is HISTORICAL FACT.

I am a Roman Catholic and have little patience for evangelicals...
 
ludahai said:
I am not fighting the Crusades. I didn't even bring them up. Someone else did. I was merely pointing to the HISTORICAL FACT that Muslims have been on the offensive against Christianity for THIRTEEN CENTURIES, something you can't refute because it is HISTORICAL FACT.

I am a Roman Catholic and have little patience for evangelicals...
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well I am not a Christian so it is of little interest to me. I would imagine things would need to be looked at in their own perspective.

For instance Saudi Arabia is the only country which I have known all my life to be involved in extreme Islam.

One of the things about the web is that you find out things you never knew before.

I did not know till a week or so ago that in the US it was certain groups of Christians who were the main supporters of Israeli policy whatever.

Obviously it is something I am curious to find out more about.
 
alexa said:
I did not know till a week or so ago that in the US it was certain groups of Christians who were the main supporters of Israeli policy whatever.
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You still don't know, alexa.

You've simply decided that this is what you're going to believe in from now on, since it suits your opinions.
 
alexa said:
well I am not a Christian so it is of little interest to me. I would imagine things would need to be looked at in their own perspective.

For instance Saudi Arabia is the only country which I have known all my life to be involved in extreme Islam.
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They you know little of contemporary extreme militant Islam. It exists all over the Islamic World from the Maghrib to Indonesia and the Philippines.


I did not know till a week or so ago that in the US it was certain groups of Christians who were the main supporters of Israeli policy whatever.

Obviously it is something I am curious to find out more about.
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Enjoy your reading. There is a lot out there to learn. Include a little history in your reading, if you will.
 
:rock Some times, when your best friend is being a dick, you have to say "**** you, call me when you change your ****ing attitude".

I think it's high time we gave Israel a little **** you. Far too long have we asked how high when Israel says jump.
 
Red_Dave said:
Ive always found it curious to hear the suggestion that the fact that many of these people cheered 9/11 should have any bearing on whether or not someone speaks out when their rights are violated. Since when did human rights become conditional? classing entire nationalities as 'evil' and somehow exempt from the UNHR kind of runs contrary to the values that western civilization claims to stand for IMHO. And of course once you begin talk of whether 'those people' are inherently evil and deserve to be punished as such as a group then you are quickly entering Hamas territory.
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Yeah. Just crazy we blame the people who elect a terrorist organization as their representative government. :roll:
 
alexa said:
Fair enough but you are still fighting the Crusades. What branch of Christianity do you actually belong to.
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Are you Muslim and/or far left because only those two groups are stupid enough to keep using the Crusaders line.

I got news for you little buddy. As ludahai has stated to you, your apologist attitude for 400 years of rape and pillaging of Christian and Muslim cities before the first Crusade and your excuses for modern day Muslim terrorists don't help your persona.
 
Apocalypse said:
You still don't know, alexa.

You've simply decided that this is what you're going to believe in from now on, since it suits your opinions.
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and you have psychic powers now do you?

I have not decided I am going to believe anything. I have decided to find out.

We do not have any of this religious extremism in the UK and it has surprised me since I started coming online.

It indicates that the whole thing may be more complex than I thought.
 
alexa said:
and you have psychic powers now do you?

I have not decided I am going to believe anything. I have decided to find out.

We do not have any of this religious extremism in the UK and it has surprised me since I started coming online.

It indicates that the whole thing may be more complex than I thought.
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Wow, you have some reading up to do.

No, this isn't the middle ages, and no, King Richard and Saludin are not running around in the desert in chainmail. This is a crusade only on behalf of the radical Islamic factions.

And by the way, I'm saddened how your country continues to be overrun by the very people who seek to ultimately destroy you. And you do nothing to stop it.

What happened to your once great country?
 
ludahai said:
They you know little of contemporary extreme militant Islam. It exists all over the Islamic World from the Maghrib to Indonesia and the Philippines.
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Are you being deliberately obtuse.


The only place which has been extreme throughout the whole of my life is Saudi Arabia.

Militant Islam began at the same time as the neo con's. They are much the same.


Check out the BBC's The Power of Nightmares.



ludahai said:
Enjoy your reading. There is a lot out there to learn. Include a little history in your reading, if you will.
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How sorry and deluded are some people that they add such things as this. The answer is No, I do not accept as an excuse The Crusades for the current action of the Israeli Government nor do I accept your position of wishing to sabotage peace wherever your motivation comes from - still fighting the crusades or an inherent hatred of Muslims due to your own religion.
 
alexa said:
and you have psychic powers now do you?
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One doesn't need psychic powers to tell that you're wrong.
It's only a bonus.
I have not decided I am going to believe anything. I have decided to find out.
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Were you to decide to find out, AKA, to put your trust in facts and facts alone, you wouldn't state that the majority of those who support Israel belong to one group of Christians in the US.
We do not have any of this religious extremism in the UK
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That's bollocks, and the type of bollocks that no one is supposed to take seriously I assume.
It indicates that the whole thing may be more complex than I thought.
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It is way more complex than you thought, and it is way more complex than you think.
It isn't, however, complex.
 
Erod said:
Wow, you have some reading up to do.

No, this isn't the middle ages, and no, King Richard and Saludin are not running around in the desert in chainmail. This is a crusade only on behalf of the radical Islamic factions.

And by the way, I'm saddened how your country continues to be overrun by the very people who seek to ultimately destroy you. And you do nothing to stop it.

What happened to your once great country?
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ditto the second part of my previous message, though this childishness is boring me.
 
Apocalypse said:
One doesn't need psychic powers to tell that you're wrong.
It's only a bonus.
Were you to decide to find out, AKA, to put your trust in facts and facts alone, you wouldn't state that the majority of those who support Israel belong to one group of Christians in the US.
That's bollocks, and the type of bollocks that no one is supposed to take seriously I assume.
It is way more complex than you thought, and it is way more complex than you think.
It isn't, however, complex.
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You know this post is nothing but personal insults. How small that makes you look.
 
alexa said:
You know this post is nothing but personal insults. How small that makes you look.
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Nothing in my previous post has carried any signs of personal insults, and yet you've just managed to make one in a post that carries no more than 14 words.

How ironic.
 
alexa said:
and you have psychic powers now do you?

I have not decided I am going to believe anything. I have decided to find out.

We do not have any of this religious extremism in the UK and it has surprised me since I started coming online.

It indicates that the whole thing may be more complex than I thought.
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You have decided that I am a religious, Evangelical extremist based on simply related the facts of history. What do you mean you "have not decided (you are) going to believe anything?"
 
alexa said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse.


The only place which has been extreme throughout the whole of my life is Saudi Arabia.

Militant Islam began at the same time as the neo con's. They are much the same.
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This is simply NOT true. Militant Islam has been around for a VERY long time. Heck, in Aceh (present-day Indonesia), it has been around since about the year 1300 or so.


How sorry and deluded are some people that they add such things as this. The answer is No, I do not accept as an excuse The Crusades for the current action of the Israeli Government nor do I accept your position of wishing to sabotage peace wherever your motivation comes from - still fighting the crusades or an inherent hatred of Muslims due to your own religion.
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Actually, I did not bring up the Crusades. Someone else did in response to my point that the Islamic world has been engaged in jihad against the Christian world for more than thirteen centuries. Sad that you blind yourself to this history.
 
ludahai said:
And the entire religious character of the region was changed. What was predominately Christian became Muslim, partly through forced conversion and colonization.
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And what was the religious character of the region, pre-Christianity? Jewish and neo-platonic paganism. Forced conversion? Do I need to mention Theodosius' edict De Fide Catolica? Colonization? Should I remind you of the colonization of Roman Britain and Ireland? The colonizations of the Anglo-Saxons and the Germanic Franks?

ludahai said:
Furthermore, the aggression continued. They invaded Catholic Spain and even France. They attacked Aksum, They moved on Constantinople and eventually took that. They took nearly all of southeastern Europe before they were FINALLY pushed back. You don't call that aggression?!?!? What DO you call it?
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Like I said, others call it liberation. The persecution of other religions was much worse under Christianity than it was under Islam.

ludahai said:
There was a war between the Sassanid Empire and the Roman Empire. However, that war ended BEFORE the Arab invasion and those territories were restored to the Roman Empire after the Battle of Nineveh and the subsequent peace treaty in 628.
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Stating historical facts does not negate your assertion that these are 'Christian' lands.
 
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