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House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

why does ahab obama chase his white whale TODAY to iowa to continue to try to SELL this DEEMNABLE bill if he isn't OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGING that american sentiments concerning his moby are in need of serious, executive "swaying?"

RealClearPolitics - Politics - Mar 25, 2010 - Obama going to Iowa to sell health care law

LOL!

5000 words in iowa city and NOT ONE about the only thing NORMAL americans care about---the ECONOMY, the JOBS, the DEFICIT...

the HOUSING, the SPENDING, the FINANCIAL INSOLVENCIES...

ahab obama is now OFFICIALLY the only human on the planet (other than fidel---LOL!) who WANTS to talk about health care, anymore

in a postive light, that is

they're the only two who want to talk about obamacare in a positive light

ahab's OPPONENTS, on the other hand, people like ME (LOL!), are EAGER, ENERGIZED, INDEFATIGABLE in our rough and ready DESIRE to DISCUSS this bill and it's all it's pretty little provisions into PERPETUITY

or, at least til 2012

you better get used to it

so, ahab chases the whale to iowa

why?

cuz HIS BILL is such a WINNER?

LOL!

domestically?

pelosi sure don't want to talk about it

suckerpunch stupak sure don't

kent conrad sure don't

earl pomeroy won't

allan dillon don't

alex sink can't

joe hoeffel is reluctant

chuck schumer might---LOL!

congrats, comrades!

keep PUSHING it

the pieface is so stupid he OPENLY ADMITS with his ACTIONS that america DOES NOT share his OBSESSION for his moby

the pieface is so perplexed he continues to FIXATE on that which has turned pennsylvania, michigan, north carolina, iowa, vermont, california, tennessee, ohio and just about every state legislature in the country blood red by a blushing measure of TWENTY POINTS

the pieface is so impercipient he continues to IGNORE the only concern dear to mom's and dad's hearts---JOBS for JUNIOR

can't you read SIGNS even as BOLD as these?

he sure can't

RealClearPolitics - Obama's Health Care Speech in Iowa City

5000 words about the whale

LOL!
 
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...and thus, the start of the second Civil War. :doh


If there ever is a second civil war in this country, let's hope the first shot isn't fired by some dumbass breaking the law. This kind of thing is stupid, regardless of the political affiliation of the person committing the act.


Do you two honestly think the rest of the world would just watch us kill each other? The answer is no.
 
indeed, this health care bill is tearing this country apart

remember the townhalls?

you don't DEFY the clearly and intensely expressed will of the people for nothing, y'know[/QUOTE]


Cat beat me to it....Democrats making good on their campaign promises are not defying the will of the people.



You mean the clear majority of voters who elected Obama, knowing that he'd pass healthcare reform because that was a part of his platform? Obama should have ignored them because a few loudmouths disrupted the townhall meetings, you mean...

:roll:

:bravo: The Democrats were swept into office with a nice margin on that platform. This cannot be said often enough.

Totally and emphatically disagree. Not only do I want the tone to continue to degrade, I want civility to be thrown out the window and people to just get downright mad and stay mad. Not only is this just the first step in a government take over - it's the first step of many. Pushing an entire country into bankruptcy should make people pissed off, destroying job creation and destroying the framework from the inside out - blood will be spilt eventually.

So you are advocating violence?


This is why I didn't want the bill to be passed. This is why a Conservative like myself, want to keep the balance yet the Progressive statists don't see it that way. Ram this bill down the people's throats and tell them they'll like it eventually is going against the will of the people. That'd be fine if we were a dictatorship but we're not. We're broke... and yet we still spend and call it "savings".

You reap what you sow. Good luck with that.:2wave:

Did you feel that way while Bush and Co. were shoving tax cuts down our throats and funding a war of choice thus increasing the deficit? Was that ok?
 
For one thing, military strategy is one thing that the Constitution does not apply democracy to. And wasn't it a Democratic-led Congress that had the chance to cut funding to the surge, but didn't?

You can show me where the constitution requires congress to check public opinion polls to decide whether to pass a bill? If you can't, the whole constitution this is a red herring.
 
You mean the clear majority of voters who elected Obama, knowing that he'd pass healthcare reform because that was a part of his platform? Obama should have ignored them because a few loudmouths disrupted the townhall meetings, you mean...

of course not, that's absurd

in november 08, obama had the american people totally behind him, inspired, even, excited over the historic nature of his win

that was a long time ago, oh, lord

the people have since changed their minds

you could see it in virginia, in jersey and impossible-to-ignore massachusetts

you can see it this week in all the polls

you can see it in the fact he could only get 80% of HIS OWN CAUCUS to back his signature issue, his raison d'etre, his STILL only reason for rising every morning

he spent his TODAY selling his stupid moby dick in iowa, he knows his consituents don't like it

you ask a lot of really silly questions
 
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You can show me where the constitution requires congress to check public opinion polls to decide whether to pass a bill? If you can't, the whole constitution this is a red herring.

Thank you! Excellent point.

Keeping the campaign promises upon which they were elected is unheard of? How dare they! ;)
 
Was the 2,000-page bill already written by November 2008? Do voters always agree with everything a president they voted for says? Is the president even the one who passes legislation in the first place? Are the majority of voters who oppose the health care bill a few loudmouths?
(No on all accounts)

Are the overwhelming majority of people in both the house and senate, elected democratically by their constituents, DEMOCRATS?

Yup.
 
Are the overwhelming majority of people in both the house and senate, elected democratically by their constituents, DEMOCRATS?

Yup.

now, there's a brilliant observation

thanks!

LOL!
 
in november 08, obama had the american people totally behind him, inspired, even, excited over the historic nature of his win

And one of the things they were inspired about was healthcare reform. You lost in November, 2008. GET THE **** OVER IT.
 
now, there's a brilliant observation

thanks!

LOL!

Do you think the people who elected them to office DID NOT REALIZE that they were electing people who'd be doing something about healthcare?

And now we should pretend like the Republicans won...and let them dictate how things will be.
 
And one of the things they were inspired about was healthcare reform. You lost in November, 2008. GET THE **** OVER IT.

ooh, starting to get a little pissy

LOL!

yup, in november, 08, americans were inspired

and republicans lost

right now, tho, they're pissed

and we're pulverizing the party in power

RealClearPolitics - Latest Election Polls

congrats on the bill

it's killing you
 
and we're pulverizing the party in power

I'll believe it when I see it in the midterms. That's 6 months from now.

It's just as likely that you'll be seen as the obstructionist party that sold their souls to the big corporations.
 
Do you think the people who elected them to office DID NOT REALIZE that they were electing people who'd be doing something about healthcare?

And now we should pretend like the Republicans won...and let them dictate how things will be.

that's a much better question, thanks

answer: absolutely not

you WON fair and square and you should LEAD in the manner, direction and particulars you feel are, y'know, right

but, having done so, you must accept the consequences

on second thought, it's not that good a question, after all

really rather sophomoric

but that's ok

take care
 
The way I heard it some $hot a weapon "near" his office. Ok so let's assume that it was inteneded against his office. Well that obviosly is no nicer than what the TP's have been implying that people do. Also it appaeras that the attititude of latent agreement by the Republican leadership with the vicious rhetoric that the TP's have been spouting has come home to roost.

Where was it writen that if you live by the sword you die by the sword ? Oh the Bible !!!! Maybe the TP's and the Republicans should live more by the Bible and not just quote it.

Botton line is that one stupid act in response to a bunch of stupid acts is not smart or good unless an act is in self defense which we do not know since we do not know who did this.

Cantor is Jewish - right !!!! maybe a TP yahoo with Klan tlies did it ? Who knows ~~ The possibilities are endless until we get to the bottom of this outrage!!!

Think maybe the rhetoric needs to be toned down ??? Huh BECK ? Gingrich, CANTOR , LIMPBAUGH ???
 
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You can show me where the constitution requires congress to check public opinion polls to decide whether to pass a bill? If you can't, the whole constitution this is a red herring.

You can show me where I said this? I said the Constitution doesn't apply democracy to military strategy, so the whole surge thing is a red herring.

Are the overwhelming majority of people in both the house and senate, elected democratically by their constituents, DEMOCRATS?

Yup.

C'mon Catz, you can sidetrack all you want, but it's hard to argue that Congress didn't defy the will of the people when they voted for this when that is exactly what happened. You can argue that this was justified, that the people should've known who they were voting for, that public opinion shouldn't shape legislation. But you can't argue that public opinion wasn't ignored when it clearly was.
 
You can show me where I said this? I said the Constitution doesn't apply democracy to military strategy, so the whole surge thing is a red herring.

You brought in the constitution, not I. You are the one who has to justify why it is relevant to this discussion.
 
why do you think anyone cares what you believe?

My thanks count suggests that I'm generally a well-respected poster here. Also, clearly YOU CARE what I believe, since you've repeatedly responded to me. ;) That's kind of a dead tip-off right there.
 
I'll believe it when I see it in the midterms. That's 6 months from now.

It's just as likely that you'll be seen as the obstructionist party that sold their souls to the big corporations.

Don't bet on the people finding the truth !!! The Faux News propaganda machine and the extremist right wing screamers have a lot of people scared with the lies that they have been spouting. I hope that the American people will wake up but I will notbet on it.

We could even end up with lynchings of legal immigrants along with illegal aliens since let's be honest the TP yahoos do not care or know that there is a diference between the wo groups.
 
I'll believe it when I see it in the midterms. That's 6 months from now.

It's just as likely that you'll be seen as the obstructionist party that sold their souls to the big corporations.

You are arguing with some one who told us for months health care was dead, and that the health care bill is why the Michigan governor election poll numbers are the way they are.
 
The way I heard it some $hot a weapon "near" his office. Ok so let's assume that it was inteneded against his office. Well that obviosly is no nicer than what the TP's have been implying that people do. Also it appaeras that the attititude of latent agreement by the Republican leadership with the vicious rhetoric that the TP's have been spouting has come home to roost.

What latent agreement with what vicious rhetoric? Please cite quotations of vicious rhetoric and examples of agreement by Republican officials. Thanks.

Botton line is that one stupid act in response to a bunch of stupid acts is not smart or good unless an act is in self defense which we do not know since we do not know who did this.

Cantor is Jewish - right !!!! maybe a TP yahoo with Klan tlies did it ? Who knows ~~ The ossibilities are endless until we get to the bottom of this outrage!!!

Think maybe the rhetoric needs to be toned down ??? Huh BECK ? Gingrich, CANTOR , LIMPBAUGH ???

How do you put Cantor and Gingrich in with Limbaugh and Beck?
 
C'mon Catz, you can sidetrack all you want, but it's hard to argue that Congress didn't defy the will of the people when they voted for this when that is exactly what happened. You can argue that this was justified, that the people should've known who they were voting for, that public opinion shouldn't shape legislation. But you can't argue that public opinion wasn't ignored when it clearly was.


How could they NOT have known who they were voting for?

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Democrats have been trying to pass health care legislation since FDR. To say now that they didn't have the right to implement their promises is just ridiculous.
 
I'm waiting for our left wing friends to accuse Republicans of being behind this... because to your point, liberals couldn't own or shoot a gun. That would be unthinkable.

Y'know. That's too funny. I remember a few days ago some nutter(s) in here were claiming that the vile-hateful tea-party behaviors were most likely liberal plants or someone from MoveOn.org planted in the crowd to discredit the Tea Party.

You guys all remember that, right?

I doubt you see too many liberals making such an absurd claim. That would make them look like a republican. :mrgreen: They are too proud of a bunch to go there, I think.

Incidently, what made you think of that? Just curious. :roll:
 
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