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House GOP No. 2: Someone shot at my office

Did the Republicans think they could whip people into a frenzy, starting with Sarah Palin during the campaign and ending with Republican congresspeople waving the don't tread on me flag from the balcony of the capital as the health care bill got passed?

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Did the GOP really think that encouraging people with guns and signs threatening gun violence that a gun would never be fired in the name of politics?

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Lie with dogs and you get fleas.

Time for the Republicans in congress to tone down the threatening rhetoric and calm their followers down.

OMG You're right! You're absolutely right!

You proved it by showing a small picture of a small segment of a large rally where a couple whack jobs are holding up signs using a pun with guns in it that plays off the common political term used by both sides of "Killing" a bill.

Its OBVIOUS the GOP actually condones and supports actions of violence against people because of that

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For the love of Christ people...
 
OMG You're right! You're absolutely right!

You proved it by showing a small picture of a small segment of a large rally where a couple whack jobs are holding up signs using a pun with guns in it that plays off the common political term used by both sides of "Killing" a bill.

Its OBVIOUS the GOP actually condones and supports actions of violence against people because of that

:roll:

For the love of Christ people...

No kidding. I just spent a long time explaining the same thing to people on another thread who wanted to blame all liberals for the actions of a few.

Let's all stop doing this stuff and be fair and consistent. (No, I have no illusions it will happen).
 
Did the Republicans think they could whip people into a frenzy, starting with Sarah Palin during the campaign and ending with Republican congresspeople waving the don't tread on me flag from the balcony of the capital as the health care bill got passed?

roar-from-tea-partiers.jpg


Did the GOP really think that encouraging people with guns and signs threatening gun violence that a gun would never be fired in the name of politics?

teapartier_protest.png


Lie with dogs and you get fleas.

Time for the Republicans in congress to tone down the threatening rhetoric and calm their followers down.
Yeah, those pictures totally prove everything ... :roll:

What a joke ...
 
Wow.
Show that this is actually a -policy- of the GOP in congress.

They give encouraging speeches at rallies that dispaly threatening signs. When they don't give encouraging speeches at these rallies, they nonetheless praise the determinition exhibited by the protestors against the health care reform. What point exactly are you denying? That the rallies have threatening signs? That GOP politicians have attended them? That the GOP have praised these protests? Which exactly do I need to show?
 
The policy of congressional Republicans is to praise the fortitude of the anti-health care reform demonstrations and disregard their death threats and vandalisms; even when these death threats are etched onto the signs they are carrying.

And apparently also to complain when the reverse occurs and violence is directed at them.

Republicans need to give credance and speak out every single time against the fringe lunatics in a crowd just as much as Democrast needed to do it with War Protesters.

Not much.

They should not come out in support if it. When questioned about it, in a manner that isn't baiting, they should condemn it. But you don't give credance to the whackos and lunatics that are the vocal minority of a group because 1, you do a disservice to the much larger majority by focusing on the idiots and 2, you just reenforce their notion that they should keep doing that to get attention.

Idiots suggesting we kill the bill with a browning if Brown can't kill it isn't really different than Sarah Palin being hung in effege, but I didn't hear liberals calling on their representitives to decry that. Idiots calling Obama hitler is no different than people calling Bush hitler. People suggesting Obama is a socialist isn't different then people suggesting Bush was a Fascist. People claiming the democrats are trying to take over the entire public sector isn't much different rhetoric wise than saying the entire point of the Iraq War was to get their oil and make halliburton rich. Gas Lines cut in response to legislation is much like Army Recruitment Centers bombed because of it. Is spitting on a congressman somehow tens of thousands of times worse than vandalizing businesses during protests. Is "Don't tread on me" hateful harmful rhetoric but "Get up in peoples faces" not? Throwing money at a parkinsons suffer is dispicable, so too is attacking a man in a wheel chair at a town hall. Screams of "Nigger" at a politician is low class, so too is having thugs with clubs standing outside of polling places.

Both sides have lunatics, whackos, and fringers that do asinine things and both sides have people that can suffer from mob mentality in the heat of the moment. Neither side needs to actively, continually, repeatedly, over and over again every moment they have come out and speak against it whenever discussing people who those whackos may be related to.

Republicans don't need to condemn the whackos everytime they talk about the Tea Parties anymore than Democrats would've needed to condemn them everytime they talked about the anti-war movement.

Moreso, if you were honestly and truthfully against the war why in the WORLD would you not applaud the 90% of people actually voicing their opinions and engaging in responsable political action rather than spend all your time condemning the 10% of whackos. And if you're honestly and truthfully against the spending and expansion of government then why in the world would they not applaud the 90% of people actually voicing their opinions and engaging in responsable political action rather than spend all your time condemning the 10% of whackos.

You don't disregard the entire movement because there is some crazies in it.
 
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Sadly, It only takes a handful of people (less than the number you see holding up those signs) to conspire to kill a whole bunch of people. :doh
 
They give encouraging speeches at rallies that dispaly threatening signs. When they don't give encouraging speeches at these rallies, they nonetheless praise the determinition exhibited by the protestors against the health care reform.
So, you have no evidence of this being actual GOP policy. Thanks.
 
Republicans need to give credance and speak out every single time against the fringe lunatics in a crowd just as much as Democrast needed to do it with War Protesters.

Not much.

They should not come out in support if it. When questioned about it, in a manner that isn't baiting, they should condemn it. But you don't give credance to the whackos and lunatics that are the vocal minority of a group because 1, you do a disservice to the much larger majority by focusing on the idiots and 2, you just reenforce their notion that they should keep doing that to get attention.

Idiots suggesting we kill the bill with a browning if Brown can't kill it isn't really different than Sarah Palin being hung in effege, but I didn't hear liberals calling on their representitives to decry that. Idiots calling Obama hitler is no different than people calling Bush hitler. People suggesting Obama is a socialist isn't different then people suggesting Bush was a Fascist. People claiming the democrats are trying to take over the entire public sector isn't much different rhetoric wise than saying the entire point of the Iraq War was to get their oil and make halliburton rich. Gas Lines cut in response to legislation is much like Army Recruitment Centers bombed because of it. Is spitting on a congressman somehow tens of thousands of times worse than vandalizing businesses during protests. Is "Don't tread on me" hateful harmful rhetoric but "Get up in peoples faces" not? Throwing money at a parkinsons suffer is dispicable, so too is attacking a man in a wheel chair at a town hall. Screams of "Nigger" at a politician is low class, so too is having thugs with clubs standing outside of polling places.

Both sides have lunatics, whackos, and fringers that do asinine things and both sides have people that can suffer from mob mentality in the heat of the moment. Neither side needs to actively, continually, repeatedly, over and over again every moment they have come out and speak against it whenever discussing people who those whackos may be related to.

Republicans don't need to condemn the whackos everytime they talk about the Tea Parties anymore than Democrats would've needed to condemn them everytime they talked about the anti-war movement.

This thread seems to be saying that sensationalism is general is bad for our country and that both sides exercise it opportunistically.

But that's different from arguing a minority of liberals are the primary cause of our nation's decline.

So, you have no evidence of this being actual GOP policy. Thanks.

I'll be happy to provide evidence; posting links proving any of those points is easy, if redundant. But I would have to know your expectations first.
 
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I wish both sides would stop pretending that they don't have their own ridiculous extremist idiots. There are almost equal numbers of people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job or the Barack Obama is actually Kenyan.

That suggests to me that there are similar levels of lunacy on both ends of the spectrum.
 
Hmm. Your link says the police shot him.

Yep. My friend was a patrol officer at the time. That is the first situation where a bullet solved a problem that came to my mind. But, I can think of others, if you'd like. I'm aware of SEVERAL "problems" that were solved by bullets...permanently.
 
I wish both sides would stop pretending that they don't have their own ridiculous extremist idiots. There are almost equal numbers of people who believe that 9/11 was an inside job or the Barack Obama is actually Kenyan.

That suggests to me that there are similar levels of lunacy on both ends of the spectrum.

This is true.

On the other hand, the right wing loons are the ones walking around on Capitol hill and spitting on congressmen and such right now. They're mostly the ones who are acting on their lunacy. Still doesn't mean that normal rightwingers are to blame for them, but it's why the focus is on them.
 
Yep. My friend was a patrol officer at the time. That is the first situation where a bullet solved a problem that came to my mind. But, I can think of others, if you'd like. I'm aware of SEVERAL "problems" that were solved by bullets...permanently.

Okay, I get it now.
 
This is true.

On the other hand, the right wing loons are the ones walking around on Capitol hill and spitting on congressmen and such right now. They're mostly the ones who are acting on their lunacy. Still doesn't mean that normal rightwingers are to blame for them, but it's why the focus is on them.

It wasn't all that long ago that the leftists were urging armed resistance against military bases, the media, and the gummint on indymedia.org, and tearing up downtown Seattle.
 
Yep. My friend was a patrol officer at the time. That is the first situation where a bullet solved a problem that came to my mind. But, I can think of others, if you'd like. I'm aware of SEVERAL "problems" that were solved by bullets...permanently.

Is that single man the problem? If so, indeed it is solved...permanently.

If the problem is more people like that horrible man remain out there, we have a problem not permanently solved by this particular event.

Horrible story too; I'd like to add. I pray for those families.

But I do sometimes wonder if this would ever happen without the existence of the proposed solution.
 
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It wasn't all that long ago that the leftists were urging armed resistance against military bases, the media, and the gummint on indymedia.org, and tearing up downtown Seattle.

Which is wrong as well.

I think the problem is that when those things happen the media by and large portrays them, CORRECTLY, as kooks and crazed fringe people not representitive of the whole movement. While there's mention of them, usually its a side mention and the focus is on the more positive portion of the message espounged by the ground. For example if there's violence at an anti-war protest it was possibly mentioned, but the main focus of the stories tended to be the numbesr that gathered, their displeasure with the war, etc.

Currently however its not. A lot of the focus is pushing this as if its the norm, as if Limbaugh and others like him somehow directly caused this, that the tea parties are responsable, and that dislike for this bill...which tends to be termed lies and rhetoric...is wrong because it leads to things like this.

While I won't speak for everyone, I know some of us...myself included....is downplaying this in part because they think this kind of stuff shouldn't be that big of a deal (to this scope) in the first place, but also because its disgusting how disproportionate the response to this is compared to what it was in the past and how many of the same groups that gave the ones in the past a pass are now using this to insinuate and besmirch an entire ideological movement.

It goes back to one of my core debate issues. When you exaggerate, trump up, overly harp on, or just plain makeup information then it causes sensible people to have to battle against your idiocy rather than possibly actually join you if you had taken a more realistic approach to it.
 
Is that single man the problem? If so, indeed it is solved...permanently.

If the problem is more people like that horrible man remain out there, we have a problem not permanently solved by this particular event.

Horrible story too; I'd like to add. I pray for those families.

That problem is solved. And furthermore, the problem in question was kept from harming additional victims, all through the use of a 50 cent bullet.

Nobody is suggesting that a bullet is going to solve world hunger. But, if a bullet keeps a gunman from shooting 3 more people, that bullet has solved a problem.
 
This is true.

On the other hand, the right wing loons are the ones walking around on Capitol hill and spitting on congressmen and such right now. They're mostly the ones who are acting on their lunacy. Still doesn't mean that normal rightwingers are to blame for them, but it's why the focus is on them.

What a shocker you would try to downplay it while hiping the alleged republican threats.
 
Currently however its not. A lot of the focus is pushing this as if its the norm,

Let me just say...when 25% of political party adherents believe that a sitting president is the anti-christ, houston, we have a problem that is becoming bigger than fringe.

Quarter of Republicans Think Obama May Be the Anti-Christ | LiveScience

And, when 1/3 of Americans think that the government was behind 9/11...same deal.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

The problem is that there are currently A LOT of whackdoos in this country, on both sides of the political spectrum.
 
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Let me just say...when 25% of political party adherents believe that a sitting president is the anti-christ, houston, we have a problem that is becoming bigger than fringe.

Quarter of Republicans Think Obama May Be the Anti-Christ | LiveScience

And, when 1/3 of Americans think that the government was behind 9/11...same deal.

Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy | ScrippsNews

The problem is that there are currently A LOT of whackdoos in this country, on both sides of the political spectrum.

The results come from an online Harris Poll involving 2,320 adults who were surveyed online between March 1 and March 8 by Harris Interactive, a market research firm. Respondents were read each of 15 statements and asked whether they thought they were true or false.

Seriously? You buy this garbage?
 
Cantor is Jewish. Most likely some racist nutjob took a shot at his campaign office this week.

That is unfortunate and thankfully the incident happened around 1:00 AM and thus no one was in the office at the time. This incident does not change the fact that Republicans do need to ratchet down their rhetoric though. There are some very dangerous people out there and when you have Republicans and their operatives out there screaming "Socialism", "Communism", "Fascism", and claiming the health bill will kill your grandmother, then they are acting irresponsibly and practically inciting violence. The fact that some nutjob took a shot at Cantor's office does not change that.
 
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